Maxi Frame Data

I haven't tested yet HRD but I speculate its either a range issue or Maxi could be TC'ing after the guard...
I know Algol's AA punishes 88A(1p) and his 6B*6K*3K*2K can't so it must be -14... I'll keep doin frames, data will be up tomorrow sometime, I'll post in chunks cause my computer likes to freeze (bitch)... One thing I WILL be excluding until I test it further is the PSL data, its so mind boggling because each move enter PSL's is affected by it differently due to the natural transitioning... Like always if anybody has questions on my awesome notation skillz please ask tomorrow...
 
HRD said:
K

88A (8wr LEFT A) on block cannot be punished by X's AA or Taki's AA. I have tested it in training mode EXACTLY HOW MR. BLAZE JUST SAID AND by having someone sitting next to me trying to punish it with anything. Couldnt be done. And what makes me think that....if I have a 88A thats blocked, I can block any punishment attempt. If I have a 22A (8wr RIGHT A MAXI"S RIGHT) thats blocked, Im eating a fat punishment because Im trying to clear out the LI stance before I can block again! This is all talking FROM THE 1P SIDE!!!

You know what...I give up nevermind!!

HRD
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I just retested this again and X punished me at all ranges as long as she can reach. She even punishes with K which is slower. Not sure what you're doing wrong, but this is consistent with the frame data. You got the notation correct this time though, and that is how the frame data has it :)
Still love you, so don't cry :p
 
ok then I pleading complete ignorance. So just educate me without patronizing me.

Im confused on how 22A (8wr right A) is -7 on block when it goes into LI. While 88A (8wr left A) seems really safe and I dont get punished for it and is -14. There has to be something Im missing.

So now Im at yalls mercy. Someone explain to me why this is. Cause I dont get it!

HRD
 
MAXI's FRAME DATA:
Horizontals
A - i14
G = -8
H = -3
CH = -1

AA~RC - i14
G = -4
H = +5
CH = +5
NC

AA{G} - i14
G = -20
H = -11
CH = -11
NC

aK~LO - i21
G = +3
H = mSTN(+10)
CH = mSTN(+10)/ mSTN(+16)
NC (opponent ~FC on Grd & Hit)

aK{G} - i21
G = -29
H = mSTN(-22)
CH = mSTN(-22)/ mSTN(-16)
NC (opponent ~FC on Grd & Hit)

6A~RO - i15
G = -3
H = +4
CH = +14

6A{G} - i15
G = -18
H = -11
CH = -1

3A~BL - i19
G = -8
H = +4
CH = SHK(+12)

3A{G} - i19
G = -9~-8
H = +1~+2
CH = +1~+2

2A - i14
G = -6
H = +4
CH = +8
~FC; TC {9-14}

1A - i30
G = -11~-10
H = +3~+4
CH = +3~+4
~FC

4A~BL - i22
G = -6~-4
H = +3~+5
CH = +3~+5

4A{G} - i22
G = -18~-16
H = -9~-7
CH = -9~-7

4AB~LO - i22
G = -5
H = KND
CH = KND
NC

4AB{G} - i22
G = -13
H = KND
CH = KND
NC

4AB4~LI (5-hits) - i22
G = -12~-2
H = KND
CH = KND
(NC on first 3 hits, NC on last 3 hits)
(semi-combo near walls only)

4AB4{G} (5-hits) - i22
G = -45~-35
H = KND
CH = KND
(NC on first 3 hits, NC on last 3 hits)
(semi-combo near walls only)

4AB4G~LI (4-hits) - i22
G = +1~+3
H = KND
CH = KND
(NC on first 3 hits, NC on last 2 hits)
(semi-combo near walls only)

4AB4{G} (4-hits) - i22
G = -36~-33
H = KND
CH = KND
(NC on first 3 hits, NC on last 2 hits)
(semi-combo near walls only)

4AB4G~LI (3-hits) - i22
G = -10~-2
H = KND
CH = KND
(NC on first 3 hits)
(semi-combo near walls only)

4AB4{G} (3-hits) - i22
G = -41~-33
H = KND
CH = KND
(NC on first 3 hits)
(semi-combo near walls only)

4AB4G~LI (2-hits) - i22
G = -9~-6
H = KND
CH = KND
NC

4AB4{G} (2-hits) - i22
G = -41~-38
H = KND
CH = KND
NC

4AB4G~LI (1st hit) - i22
G = -5~-3
H = -5~+1
CH = -5~+1
NC (cancel)

4AB4{G} (1st hit) - i22
G = -37~-35
H = -37~-31
CH = -37~-31
NC (cancel)

236A~BL - i27
G = -16
H = -8
CH = -8
NC; TJ {6-16}; TC {26-27}

236A{G} - i27
G = -22
H = -14
CH = -14
NC; TJ; TC

FC 2A - i13
G = -6
H = +4
CH = +8
~FC; TC {1-7}

FC 3A~RO - i27
G = -25
H = +4
CH = +4
TC {13-27}

FC 3A{G} - i27
G = -40
H = -11
CH = -11
TC

FC 3AA~RO - i27
G = -25
H = +4
CH = +4
NC; TC

FC 3AA{G} - i27
G = -40
H = -11
CH = -11
NC; TC

FC 3AAA~RO - i27
G = -20
H = +4
CH = +4
NC; TC

FC 3AAA{G} - i27
G = -35
H = -11
CH = -11
NC; TC

FC 1A - i30
G = -13~-12
H = +2~+3
CH = +2~+3
~FC; sTC {1-3}

FC 1AB~LO - i30
G = -2
H = KND
CH = KND
TC; TJ

FC 1AB{G} - i30
G = -36
H = KND
CH = KND
TC; TJ

WR A~RC - i16
G = -13~-12
H = KND
CH = KND
TC {1-16}

WR A{G} - i16
G = -29~-28
H = KND
CH = KND
TC

WR a{G} - i16
G = -20~-19
H = KND
CH = KND
TC

JMP A - i22
G = -9
H = +2
CH = +2
TJ {8-22}

BT A - i16
G = -2
H = +8
CH = +8

BT 2A - i16
G = -6
H = +4
CH = +4
~FC; TC {11-16}

Verticals
B - i16
G = -12
H = -7
CH = -3

BB~LO - i16
G = -3
H = +3
CH = +3
NC

BB{G} - i16
G = -24
H = -18
CH = -18
NC

6B - i17
G = -16
H = -5
CH = -5

6BB - i17
G = -15
H = -3
CH = -3
NC

6BBB - i17
G = -30~-29
H = KND
CH = KND
NCC

6B;B - i17
G = -15
H = -3
CH = -3
NC; JF

6B;B;B - i17
G = -19~-17
H = KND
CH = KND
NC; JF; GB

3B~RO - i18
G = +4
H = +15
CH = LNC
TC {8-13}

3B{G} - i18
G = -16
H = -5
CH = LNC
TC

2B - i16
G = -9
H = +1
CH = +1
~FC

1B - i16
G = -9
H = -1
CH = -1
TC {5-10}

4B~LO - i18
G = +7~+8
H = +17~+18
CH = +19~+20

4B{G} - i18
G = -17~-16
H = -7~-6
CH = -5~-4

236B~LI - i23
G = -10
H = +4
CH = +4
NC; TFS; TJ {15-23}
(CH of 1st hit only = CSTN)

236B{G} - i23
G = -21
H = -7
CH = -7
NC; TFS; TJ
(CH of 1st hit only = CSTN)

FC 2B - i16
G = -7
H = +1
CH = +
~FC; sTC {1-3}

WR B~LI - i16
G = -3~-2
H = +5~+6
CH = +10~+11
TC {1-16}

WR B{G} - i16
G = -35~-34
H = -27~-26
CH = -22~-21
TC

9B - i44
G = -15
H = KND
CH = KND
TJ {13-44}

8B - i44
G = -16
H = KND
CH = KND
TJ {13-44}

7B - i44
G = -17
H = -8
CH = -8
TJ {13-44}

BT B - i18
G = -6
H = +4
CH = +4

BT 2B - i18
G = -8
H = +0
CH = +0
~FC

Kicks
K - i13
G = -8
H = +2
CH = +2

6K - i19
G = -6
H = KND
CH = KND

3K - i15
G = -8
H = +3
CH = +3

2K - i21
G = -16
H = -4
CH = -4

2KB~RO - i21
G = -8~-7
H = LNC
CH = LNC

2KB{G} - i21
G = -23~-22
H = mLNC~KND
CH = mLNC~KND

2KK - i21
G = -13
H = +3
CH = +3/ KND
~FC; NCC

1K - i15
G = -14
H = -4
CH = +2
~FC

4K - i22
G = -6
H = KND
CH = KND

236K (4-hits) - i25
G = -16
H = CSTN
CH = CSTN
NC; TC {7-25}

236KG (3-hits) - i25
G = -17
H = CSTN
CH = CSTN
NC; TC

236KG (2-hits) - i25
G = -18
H = CSTN
CH = CSTN
NC; TC

236KG (1st-hit) - i25
G = -16
H = CSTN
CH = CSTN
NC; TC

FC 2K - i15
G = -14
H = -4
CH = +2
~FC; sTC {1-3}

WR K - i20
G = -12
H = mLNC~KND
CH = mLNC~KND
TC {1-7}; TJ {14-20}

WR KK - i20
G = +0
H = KND
CH = KND
NC; TC; TJ

JMP K - i42
G = -3
H = LNC
CH = LNC
TJ {8-31}

7K - i42
G = -3
H = +5
CH = +5
TJ {8-31}

BT K - i15
G = -4
H = +4
CH = +4

BT 2K - i19
G = -19
H = KND
CH = KND
~FC

Simultaneous Press
A+B - i16
G = -20
H = mLNC~KND
CH = mLNC~KND
NCC

a+bG~RC - i16
G = -5
H = +9
CH = CSTN
(opponent ~FC on Grd & Hit, cancel)

a+b{G} - i16
G = -21
H = -7
CH = CSTN
(opponent ~FC on Grd & Hit, cancel)

6A+B~BL - i18
G = -6
H = KND
CH = KND
TC {5-13}

6A+B{G} - i18
G = -22
H = KND
CH = KND
TC

4A+B - i31
G = -17
H = SLNC
CH = SLNC
NCC; DL

4{A+B} - i51
G = U!/ -17
H = SLNC
CH = SLNC
NC; GB

WR A+B~LI - i18
G = -1
H = +10
CH = SHK(+16)
DL

WR A+B{G} - i18
G = -33
H = -22
CH = SHK(-16)
DL

WR {A+B}~LI - i24
G = +3
H = SHK(+17)
CH = SHK(+17)

WR {A+B}{G} - i24
G = -30
H = SHK(-16)
CH = SHK(-16)

B+K - i19
G = -8
H = -6
CH = -6

B+KB - i19
G = -23
H = -15
CH = -15
NC

B+KBB - i19
G = -20
H = -14
CH = -14
NC

B+KBBB - i19
G = -13
H = -8
CH = -8
NC

B+KBBBA~RO - i19
G = -22
H = SLNC
CH = SLNC
~BT(on hit); NC

B+KBBBA{G} - i19
G = -27
H = SLNC
CH = SLNC
~BT(on hit); NC

B+K;B - i19
G = -23
H = -15
CH = -15
NC; JF

B+K;B;B - i19
G = -20
H = -14
CH = -14
NC; JF

B+K;B;B;B - i19
G = -13
H = -8
CH = -8
NC; JF

B+K;B;B;B;A~RO - i19
G = -22
H = SLNC
CH = SLNC
~BT(on hit); NC; JF

B+K;B;B;B;A{G} - i19
G = -27
H = SLNC
CH = SLNC
~BT(on hit); NC; JF

2B+K - i22
G = -17
H = -7
CH = KND

2B+KB - i22
G = -18
H = -8
CH = KND/ CSTN
NC

4B+K - i64
G = U!
H = SLNC
CH = SLNC
~BT(on hit)
(can be G~cancelled)

BT B+K - i17
G = -21~-20
H = CSTN
CH = CSTN
GB (opponent ~FC on Grd)

3A+K - i28
G = (H) -13/ (L) -24
H = (H) KND/ (L) -14
CH = (H) KND/ (L) -14
~FC; NC; TC {16-28}

2A+K(1p)*8A+K(2p)~RO - i39
G = -39
TRS; SP

8A+K(1p)*2A+K(2p)~LI - i39
G = -39
TLS; SP

8-WAY RUN
66A - i21
G = -8/ (whiff) -36
H = KND
CH = KND
NC

33*99A - i20
G = -5
H = KND
CH = KND

22A(1p)*88A(2p)~LI - i30
G = -8~-7
H = +11~+12
CH = STN(+27~+28)
(opponent ~BT on Hit)
(spins opponent on CH)

22A(1p)*88A(2p){G} - i30
G = -40~-39
H = -21~-20
CH = STN(-5~-4)
(opponent ~BT on Hit)
(spins opponent on CH)

88A(1p)*22A(2p) - i30
G = -14~-13
H = +8~+9
CH = STN(+24~+25)
(opponent ~BT on Hit)
(spins opponent on CH)

11*77A - i31
G = -19~-17
H = -5~-3
CH = -5~-3
~FC; TC {2-31}

44A - i19
G = -17
H = -5
CH = +5
TC {8-11}
(spins opponent on Hit)

44AB~RO - i19
G = +0
H = +9
CH = +9
NC; TC
(opponent ~FC on Grd)

44AB{G} - i19
G = -15
H = -6
CH = -6
NC; TC
(opponent ~FC on Grd)

66B~LO - i19
G = -5
H = KND
CH = KND

66B{G} - i19
G = -7
H = KND
CH = KND

66B4~LI (5-hits) - i19
G = -12~-2
H = KND
CH = KND
(NC on first 2 hits, NC on last 3 hits)
(semi-combo near walls only)

66B4{G} (5-hits) - i19
G = -45~-35
H = KND
CH = KND
(NC on first 32hits, NC on last 3 hits)
(semi-combo near walls only)

66B4G~LI (4-hits) - i19
G = +1~+3
H = KND
CH = KND
(NC on first 2 hits, NC on last 2 hits)
(semi-combo near walls only)

66B4{G} (4-hits) - i19
G = -36~-33
H = KND
CH = KND
(NC on first 2 hits, NC on last 2 hits)
(semi-combo near walls only)

66B4G~LI (3-hits) - i19
G = -10~-2
H = KND
CH = KND
(NC on first 2 hits)
(semi-combo near walls only)

66B4{G} (3-hits) - i19
G = -41~-33
H = KND
CH = KND
(NC on first 2 hits)
(semi-combo near walls only)

66B4G~LI (2-hits) - i19
G = -9~-6
H = KND
CH = KND
NC

66B4{G} (2-hits) - i19
G = -41~-38
H = KND
CH = KND
NC

66B4G~LI (1st hit) - i19
G = -5~-3
H = -5~+1
CH = -5~+1
(cancel)

66B4{G} (1st hit) - i19
G = -37~-35
H = -37~-31
CH = -37~-31
(cancel)

33*99B~BL - i28
G = -2~+0
H = LNC
CH = SLNC
sTC {on i16}

33*99B{G} - i28
G = -16~-14
H = LNC
CH = SLNC
sTC

33*99bA~RC - i28
G = +5
H = KND
CH = KND
sTC {on i16} (cancel)

33*99bA{G} - i28
G = -11
H = KND
CH = KND
sTC

22*88B - i24
G = -17
H = CSTN
CH = CSTN
NC

11*77B~RC - i27
G = -15~-14
H = -5~-4
CH = -5~-4
TC {8-27}

11*77B{G} - i27
G = -31~-30
H = -21~-20
CH = -21~-20
TC

44B~RO - i30
G = -6
H = STN(+20)
CH = STN(+20)
(opponent ~FC on Grd)

44B{G} - i30
G = -20
H = CSTN
CH = CSTN
(opponent ~FC on Grd)

66K - i21
G = -2
H = KND
CH = KND
TFS; TJ {6-21}

33*99K - i20
G = -5
H = +5
CH = KND

22*88K - i29
G = -16
H = -6
CH = -3
~FC; TC {17-29}

22*88KK - i29
G = -17
H = KND
CH = KND
NCC; TC

11*77K - i29
G = -5
H = LNC
CH = LNC
(opponent ~FC on Grd)

44K - i29
G = -7
H = LNC
CH = LNC
(opponent ~FC on Grd)

66B+K - i23
G = -13~-12
H = mLNC~KND
CH = mLNC~KND
TC {14-20}; TJ (after)

33*99B+K - i24
G = -13~-12
H = mLNC~KND
CH = mLNC~KND
TC {15-21}; TJ (after)

RUN K - i62/ i21
G = -22
H = KND
CH = KND
TFS; DL
i62~TJ {47-62}
i21~TJ {6-21}

Throws
A+G - i17
H = KND
D = 50d.
A~break

B+G - i17
H = KND
D = 50d.
B~Break

(Left) T - i17
H = KND
D = 60d.
A*B~break

(Right) T~BL - i17
H = KND
D = 55d.
A*B~break

(Back) T - i17
H = KND
D = 65d.
A*B~break

Stances will be in a seperate post getting too lagy to type...
 
HRD said:
Im confused on how 22A (8wr right A) is -7 on block when it goes into LI. While 88A (8wr left A) seems really safe and I dont get punished for it and is -14. There has to be something Im missing.
So now Im at yalls mercy. Someone explain to me why this is. Cause I dont get it!
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The negative frames mean that the opponent will be available to begin their next command that much earlier than you.

So not being able to block for a longer period when you 8wr A into LI doesn't mean anything when it comes to negative frames. It's just measuring from your opponents recovery, to the point where you can begin to execute something from LI.
 
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uhhh Zombiebear...you mind just deleting that post cuz it's longer than my dick. Go to the wiki mon, just edit the data as you see fit. I'm doubting the usefulness of your post, so verbose. It doesn't have stance attacks either.

HRD. What Kvasir said. To put it in another way. Although 8WR right A is bs -7. The scenario here is that the move leads to a STANCE and not directly to NEUTRAL GUARD. Someone mentioned a while back that we probably should do frame data to the point at which he can guard as well, but noone bothered with it cuz that would convolute things. Double the amount of blockstun to calculate. One for into stance, one for neutral guard.

8WR right A -> G (cancelling the stances) would be bs -20 something or even more...but its bs -7 into STANCE means LI A (i16) will trade with attacks i23 from the opponent. In essence it really is an indication of advantage/disadvantage going into stance. Attacks that go into neutral eg 8WR left A follow the normal scheme of things.
 
Stances
Right Outer
RO A~BL - i13
G = +5~+6
H = +13~+14
CH = +13~+14
TRS

RO A{G} - i13
G = -7~-6
H = +1~+2
CH = +1~+2
TRS

RO AK - i13
G = -11
H = KND
CH = KND
NCC; TRS; DL

RO A{K} - i13
G = +5
H = KND
CH = KND
TRS; GB

RO B~RC - i20
G = -1
H = SHK(+22)
CH = STN(+30)
(opponent ~FC on Hit)

RO B{G} - i20
G = -17
H = SHK(+6)
CH = STN(+14)
(opponent ~FC on Hit)

RO K - i29
G = -13
H = LNC
CH = LNC
TJ {17-29}

RO KA~LO - i29
G = +3
H = mSTN(+10)
CH = mSTN(+10)/ mSTN(+16)
NC; TJ (opponent ~FC on Grd & Hit)

RO KA{G} - i29
G = -29
H = mSTN(-22)
CH = mSTN(-22)/ mSTN(-16)
NC; TJ (opponent ~FC on Grd & Hit)

RO KB~RO - i29
G = -10~-9
H = KND/ mSTN(+8~+9)
CH = KND/ mSTN(+8~+9)
NC; TJ (opponent ~FC on Grd & Hit)

RO KB{G} - i29
G = -25~-24
H = KND/ mSTN(-7~-6)
CH = KND/ mSTN(-7~-6)
NC; TJ (opponent ~FC on Grd & Hit)
RO KK - i29
G = -5
H = KND/ LNC
CH = KND/ LNC
NC; DL; TJ
(opponent ~FC on Grd)

RO K{K} - i29
G = +8
H = LNC/ LNC
CH = LNC/ LNC
NC; TJ (opponent ~FC on Grd)

Left Outer
LO A - i32
G = -10
H = -3
CH = +2
~FC; TLS; TC {14-32}

LO AK - i32
G = -15
H = +2
CH = +2
NCC; TLS; TC
(opponent ~BT on Hit)

LO B~RC - i16
G = -12
H = -4
CH = -4
TC {3-12}

LO B{G} - i16
G = -20
H = -12
CH = -12
TC

LO BK - i16
G = +2
H = KND
CH = KND
NCC; TC; TJ

LO K - i24
G = +3
H = KND
CH = KND
GB; TJ {21-24}

Left Inner
LI A - i17
G = -14
H = -3
CH = -3

LI AA~BL - i17
G = -10
H = +2
CH = +2/ KND
NC; DL {1-9}

LI AA{G} - i17
G = -22
H = -10
CH = -10/ KND
NC; DL

LI AAB - i17
G = -19
H = CSTN
CH = CSTN
NCC; DL {1-16}

LI AA{B} - i17
G = -3
H = KND
CH = KND
GB; DL {1-13}
(1st 2 hits NC)

LI B~BL - i26
G = +0~+1
H = LNC
CH = LNC
TLS; TC {5-14}; DL {1-18}
(opponent ~FC on Grd)

LI B{G} - i26
G = -12
H = LNC
CH = LNC
TLS; TC; DL
(opponent ~FC on Grd)

LI {B}~BL - i44
G = +14~+15
H = LNC
CH = LNC
TLS; GB; TC {5-32}

LI {B}{G} - i44
G = +2~+3
H = LNC
CH = LNC
TLS; GB; TC

LI bG~LI - i41
G = -41
TLS; TC {5-14}
SP (cancel)

LI {b}G~LI - i43<
G = -43~-58
TLS; DL; TC {5~32}
SP (cancel)

LI bG~RO - i40
G = -40
TLS; TC {5-14}
SP (cancel)

LI {b}G~RO - i58
G = -58
TLS; TC {5-32}
SP (cancel)

LI K - i20
G = -8
H = +2
CH = STN(+22)
(spins opponent on Hit)

Right Cross
RC A - i19
G = -6
H = CSTN
CH = CSTN
~FC; NC; TJ (after)
(opponent ~FC on Grd)

RC aA~RC - i51
G = +5
H = KND
CH = KND
(cancel)

RC aA{G} - i51
G = -10
H = KND
CH = KND
(cancel)

RC aB~BL - i51
G = +2~+3
H = SLNC
CH = SLNC
sTC {on i40} (cancel)

RC aB{G} - i51
G = -12~-11
H = SLNC
CH = SLNC
sTC (cancel)

RC B~LO - i32
G = +6
H = CSTN
CH = CSTN
GB; TJ {9-32}

RC B{G} - i32
G = -30
H = CSTN
CH = CSTN
GB; TJ

RC K - i31
G = -18
H = CSTN
CH = CSTN
~FC; TC {11-31}

RC KK - i31
G = -14
H = mLNC~KND
CH = mLNC~KND
NC; TC; TJ

RC KK;K - i31
G = +1
H = KND
CH = KND
NC; TC; TJ; JF

Behind Lower
BL A~LI - i19
G = -6
H = +13
CH = STN(+20)

BL A{G} - i19
G = -38
H = -19
CH = CSTN

BL B~RO - i16
G = -11
H = +2
CH = +10
TC {14-16}

BL B{G} - i16
G = -20
H = -6
CH = +4
TC

BL K - i21
G = -24
H = -16
CH = -16
TBS

BL KK - i21
G = -13/ (whiff) -34
H = KND
CH = KND
NC

Wavering Light
(any stance) B+K~WL (IMP) - i8
G = -28~ST/ -57~N
GI: +21~+32~ST/ -8~+3~N
JI: +30~ST/ +1~N
IMP {8-20} (GI's Vertical M & H Attacks)
(opponents can re-GI followups)

WL A - i17
G = -17
H = -3
CH = CSTN
TC {16-17}

WL B - i18
G = -14
H = -7
CH = -7
NC

WL BB - i18
G = -26
H = -12~-14
CH = -12~-14
NC

WL BBA~RO - i18
G = -22
H = SLNC
CH = SLNC
~BT (on hit); NC

WL BBA{G} - i18
G = -27
H = SLNC
CH = SLNC
~BT (on hit); NC

WL K - i25
G = +0
H = KND
CH = KND
TJ (after)

END
 
hotnikkelz said:
HRD. What Kvasir said. To put it in another way. Although 8WR right A is bs -7. The scenario here is that the move leads to a STANCE and not directly to NEUTRAL GUARD. Someone mentioned a while back that we probably should do frame data to the point at which he can guard as well, but noone bothered with it cuz that would convolute things. Double the amount of blockstun to calculate. One for into stance, one for neutral guard.

8WR right A -> G (cancelling the stances) would be bs -20 something or even more...but its bs -7 into STANCE means LI A (i16) will trade with attacks i23 from the opponent. In essence it really is an indication of advantage/disadvantage going into stance. Attacks that go into neutral eg 8WR left A follow the normal scheme of things.
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AAAAHHHHHH....ok that makes sense. I was confused on why something was -7 when maxi still has to into a stance and THEN block. OK ok i get it. I assumed that the wiki was always showing what it would be on gaurd. All right, I digress. Just one more thing to make maxi even that more difficult.

HRD
 
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