SC5 Weapon Ideas (JOKE WEAPONS INCLUDED)

Gatsu said:
Yes

My ideal Bastard Sword user:

Power- slighty more powerfull than Mitsu, get a lot of knock down. Great (2 hand) single powershots

Range- slighty more than Mitsu, slighty less than Sieg

Speed- faster than Sieg on both walking and wielding the sword

Technique- Three stances: basic (one and half,balanced), one hand (faster but weaker), two hands (high damage but risky). Standard Stance solid and balanced, One Hand Stance about combos and use the free hand too(punch, push, grab, pull) but hard to get knock down or big damage, Two Hands Stance about do a lot of powershots, guard crush and high damage short (2 max 3 hits) combos, all about pressure but with poor defense game

Body build- the classic bigger than average but smaller than giants character. Strong enough to hit very hard but still light enough to be decent quick. The classic "Guile" badass (but please no blond,tired of this sh*t of all europeans being blond)

Type of character- Like Mitsu is about use at best stances and apply a massive 50/50 offense. Over Mitsu he have a slight slight range advantage and being an harder hitter give overall a lil more stun and easier RO game. Worse he have that from really really close he lack of all little epic quick ass saver Mitsu normals and this may make harder deal on defense with fast pressure characters.
Overall oriented on solid single hits and short combos, but with some hard longer combos avaible only changing stance, the classic two level of use char,with noobs using him in simple straight way and advanced players do epic things switching a lot stance during combos.
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Can anyone say Over-Powered? Unless he's got absolute shit frames.... Even then.
 
Unless he's got absolute shit frames.... Even then.
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Shit frames would knock him straight into low -mid tier.

I'd rather have talim's damage and X's frames from SC2 then have astaroth damage and maxi 6bbb frames on everything.
 
senzait said:
Can anyone say Over-Powered? Unless he's got absolute shit frames.... Even then.
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Shit frames can kill everything :D


You know from theory to reality the jump is long :D

Consider that i writed mainly his hypothetic strong points,as i imagine it if we want watch negative side:

-no ass saver quick normals (aside punches or kicks), huge trouble when pressured from aggressive fast characters
-due his style may have hard time also at deal with the heavyweights,depend on situation... may impose his mid-long range and superior speed,but HW range from far and throws from near may still be a tough match up
-not good at keep pressure, on hit or on block he push a lot and must continue work to stay at the ideal range
-May be stronger than Mitsu and faster than Sieg,but at the same time he will not have theyr good stuff like Mitsu's fast constant pressure or Sieg range and huge launchers

As i imagine it in noobs hands he will be just a mid-low/mid tier dude with decent heavy hands, in advanced hands he will step up to mid/up-mid... count that usually when a new chapter of a BeU is going to be released i ever hope that my char don't end up to be the new top tier :D
 
Fuzzieviking said:
Shit frames would knock him straight into low -mid tier.

I'd rather have talim's damage and X's frames from SC2 then have astaroth damage and maxi 6bbb frames on everything.
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More range, power and RO than Mitsu, and more speed than Sieg is not low tier... ever. Even with shit frames. Add massive 50/50 offense and more stun than Mitsu and he is still overpowered with bad frames.

EDIT: and Maxi's 6BBB frames are not even an option. No character in the history of calibur had -30 frames of everything lol.

EDIT: Gatsu I know what you mean dont worry. It just sounds overpowered in paper that's all. Im sure some tweaking and he would make a sick character.
 
senzait said:
More range, power and RO than Mitsu, and more speed than Sieg is not low tier... ever. Even with shit frames. Add massive 50/50 offense and more stun than Mitsu and he is still overpowered with bad frames.

EDIT: and Maxi's 6BBB frames are not even an option. No character in the history of calibur had -30 frames of everything lol.
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he said less range then sieg and slower then mitsu as well. no one said more stuns then mistu.

Thats like saying, I want a character that has a parry that parries more then amys B+K perry and has a longer up time with a punisher afterwards that deals 213 damage.
 
^I think its just an idea or concept,with the right balancing it will do right. If you think about it that way Ivy would also be overpowered but they still managed her in some ways. And a longsword was a standart weapon at that times, just as katana or staff or spear.

Another weapon i would really love too see are the double hooksword like kabal from mk. They are really new and individuall and look just plain awesome.

edit: too late
 
Fuzzieviking said:
he said less range then sieg and slower then mitsu as well. no one said more stuns then mistu.
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Gatsu said:
Type of character- Like Mitsu is about use at best stances and apply a massive 50/50 offense. Over Mitsu he have a slight slight range advantage and being an harder hitter give overall a lil more stun and easier RO game. Worse he have that from really really close he lack of all little epic quick ass saver Mitsu normals and this may make harder deal on defense with fast pressure characters.
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Fuzzieviking said:
Thats like saying, I want a character that has a parry that parries more then amys B+K perry and has a longer up time with a punisher afterwards that deals 213 damage.
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IDK what you were trying to say here.

Point is in paper he looks overpowered no matter how much you argue it. Mitsu has great range. Mitsu also hits hard. Sieg is not that slow. How many true 50/50's do you have in Calibur? Mitsu has pretty good RO and he has Great stunning.

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Like I said with a little tuning he would be a great character.
Shit I would definitely use him, but he would be undoubtedly very high tier.
 
In theory talim would seem overpowered.
However the exicution was terrible.

A speedy character that focuses on dodging players attacks and punishing them with combos of her own. Great stunning and some good air combos with step / jump in moves to compensate for a lack of range.

What we got was a character with terrible frames, hardly ever dodges anything, is slower then half of the cast, and hardly any range what so ever.
 
A huge Spork.
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You can range poke with it.
You can scoop people off the ground with it.
You can turn it sideways and slap people out of the ring with it.

The ultimate weapon.
 
Fuzzieviking said:
In theory talim would seem overpowered.
However the exicution was terrible.

A speedy character that focuses on dodging players attacks and punishing them with combos of her own. Great stunning and some good air combos with step / jump in moves to compensate for a lack of range.

What we got was a character with terrible frames, hardly ever dodges anything, is slower then half of the cast, and hardly any range what so ever.
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Actually no Talim would not seem overpowered in theory LOL. Everything you said about her is subjective, while Gatsu named specific characters and their attributes making it objective. You are trying to discuss a point without supplying any kind of concrete argument. Stop. Your just arguing for the sack of arguing. My reasoning is sane, anyone can see that, lets stop digressing from the topic with futile discussions.
 
senzait said:
Actually no Talim would not seem overpowered in theory LOL. Everything you said about her is subjective, while Gatsu named specific characters and their attributes making it objective. You are trying to discuss a point without supplying any kind of concrete argument. Stop. Your just arguing for the sack of arguing. My reasoning is sane, anyone can see that, lets stop digressing from the topic with futile discussions.
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Being overpowered is subjective, there are those that can kick hildes ass every time and say she sucks. But alot of people believe she is overpowered.
 
Fuzzieviking said:
Being overpowered is subjective, there are those that can kick hildes ass every time and say she sucks. But alot of people believe she is overpowered.
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Let's not do this here... especially because it's been done over and over and over and over and over.

-Idle
 
okay, well excluding that argument, there is no sense in worrying anyway, Like they'd design an overpowered character on purpose.

I Can say I want my iron fans girl to be able to fly and while she is flying she has invincible frames and she can fly the whole time if she wants and has attacks she can do while flying. and while namco might release the weapon, they sure as hell won't design it the way I just said.
 
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