JayShadow
[13] Hero
Also...wall moves
Soul Calibur 5 Guest/Bonus/CAS Character Discussion
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Gabedamien
I Want To Be Happy
Not sure this is entirely clear. Do you mean “people who want Ezio should just make a CAS version from Dampierre’s style?” Or “Ezio would cause a problem by removing Dampierre, but that could be solved by CAS?” I assume the former, but either way, please tell me where in this video Dampierre and Ezio look remotely similar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDiDC5YY8PU >_<
To Fatal_Exodus: it isn’t even a question of what character we like, so much as which one makes the most sense (from all angles: marketing, design, story, moveset, etc.). Gatsu et al have already detailed these reasons ad nauseam, and what’s more, I think it’s clear at this point that we’ve considered every mega-popular character from a current or upcoming series (of whatever media) that would make the remotest sense in SC context. If there was a character more ripe for inclusion, we probably would have found it by now.
The thing is, I agree with you: Ezio is kind of boring, at least in AC2 (which is the only one I played). I like certain other characters from various media better. But rationally speaking, he just happens to be the best possible option, if you take all variables (including the primary purpose of a guest char.) into consideration. At least, so it seems to me, Gatsu, and some others here.
GoT is one of the more interesting suggestions that was brought up before, if only because it’s respectable and popular, but in the end it just wouldn’t work. There is no canonical graphical image of any of these characters in people’s minds (the excellent HBO adaptation notwithstanding); SC needs a picture they can slap on the cover and elicit an immediate response with.
Close, but no cigar.
Fatal_Exodus
[14] Master
But I don't think Namco really settles for rational. I mean, the game is crawling with freaks that we all love to use. Ezio is just an assassin in a game that actually is set in a realistic time period, with a realistic setting. Namco likes to go for the out-of-this-world (literally) types, like Heihachi (whose game is set in the future), Spawn (who uses a cape that turns into an axe), Link (who came to save Zelda), Lloyd (who came to find EX Spheres), and the Star Wars people (who found out about the Soul Swords and their space-time rending power).
Ezio in the game would be a cheap take on Dampierre, and aside from boosting sales, doesn't have anything else to offer.
Ezio in the game would be a cheap take on Dampierre, and aside from boosting sales, doesn't have anything else to offer.
WuHT
Premium Moderator
I don't know i've never played ezio or ezio2. I imagine from the pictures they have the same weapon and the fighting style is believable.
Gabedamien
I Want To Be Happy
Ah. Well, the hidden blades are arguably Ezio’s most signature weapon, but he also carries a normal sword/dagger, throwing knives, bombs, and even a single-shot hidden gun with him most of the time. His movements are more realistic in the line of renaissance swordsmanship, which I think would look good in SC and has really never been done in the series (amazingly enough). Dampierre on the other hand has a lot of comical and weird movements that play up his dramatic personality, it’s really not a good fit at all. If anything, Raphael is a better CAS style for Ezio (still not right, but whatever).
Fatal_Exodus
[14] Master
I've played Assassin's Creed 2, and now that I see Dampierre...
Dampierre > Ezio. Totally.
Dampierre > Ezio. Totally.
Gabedamien
I Want To Be Happy
This is the wildcard factor in the whole situation, which is that NBG really are a bunch of wackos - for better or for worse. I’m not really complaining, just admitting that you really can’t predict what they will decide.
As I argue it (see above), he’s really not similar to Dampierre at all. I mean really not.
EDIT:
Hahahaha, you posted this while I was writing my last post. D is pretty funny I’ll give you that.“Fatal_Exodus" said:
Fuzzieviking
[13] Hero
The reason for them being there is they fit just as well as ezio or any other guest character visually and thats already a step up, and Cao Cao SunShangXiang and LuBu all introduce unique weapons that haven't been in the game yet, a spear is different from a naginata, Seongmina.
Not to mention AC has one main character, meaning there aren't any of console specific and on static character like yoda for the xbox and darth for the ps3 with the apprentice for both.
Gatsu
[14] Master
You're talking like... emh,you know, like if past SC guest was not ugly
Only Guest i can save is Link (trying to accept fantasy look and projectiles): legendary char,good weapon,animations and style
Maybe Kratos too,ut they end up exagering with his gameplay making him out of place
Heiachi? meh
Necrid? One of the most ugly of the entire series
Spawn got some nice moves and is'nt your average super heroes,but still he was out of place,swing an axe is'nt enough to fit to SC
The SW trash was totally the worst: 3 characters+1 entire stage, all totally invasive,out of place and totally atmosphere breaking, was like see an UFO in The Gladiator movie
The 5 bonus skins (i refuse to consider these characters) of SC4 are... no comment. The only maybe acceptable as chara design was Ashelotte,but obviously they don't even bother at fix cllisions. Maybe Shura being eye candy but was really only about being bewbs+dat ass+2 katana
Being honest Guest in SC is nearly ever fail
Aside maybe Link and maybemaybe Kratos, we never get a guest character worthy of cross blades with Mitsu or Sieg
Ezio or Gabriel?
Yes,they can,give to Kawano and SC 3d modellers theyr concept and they can become legit SC characters,and not only the usual wierd clumsy guest
Solid_Altair
[09] Warrior
The AC franchise isn't quite that realistic. Their world is very good conspiracy theory/fantasy version of our own. And the Soul Swords would definitely be of interest for Ezio, as one of the special artifacts in the AC story. They even mentioned a certain sword as one of these special artifacts. Ezio would fit better than every other guest character ever did. AC and SC settings are more similar than they may appear.
NeclordX
[13] Hero
Remember what happened with SC IV, the downloable content was a joke, the "old costume" pack was only ONE pack with a few pieces, we didn't see really old costumes or new/special costumes.
And for cas pieces was the same, we got only a couple of packs (Maid and I don't remember the other) with 3-4 pieces each one.
It was really...disappointing. (In that time I still belived that DLC could add something and I was hoping for new pieces/costumes each month)
I would discard those due to license issues.
Gabedamien
I Want To Be Happy
Well, technically yes, DLC can “add something” that wasn’t already on the disc. Of course such additions couldn’t be used for online if they required too much data to be transferred between accounts for a match.
There is no reason why DLC couldn’t be used well, to actually create compelling new content not finished or even planned by game launch. The problem, of course, is that many companies find it more to their benefit to release very little content, some of it already on the disc, and charge a lot for it.
Other than Ryu from NG3 (direct competitor to Namco Bandai in DoA), what licensing issues? Squeenix for one is all about marketing gimmicks.
Commander Shepard just doesn’t make sense, period. But that’s another matter.
Gatsu
[14] Master
I agree totally
Just imagine him go in crypts/catacombs searching artifacts and end up in Voldo's money pit
Automatic crazy acrobatic brawl :D
Baldulf
[10] Knight
And if they added Ezio what would you prefer as his main weapon?
The hidden blades, the knife or the sword? For me two stances (knife and sword) and using the hidden blades in throws would be the best option.
The hidden blades, the knife or the sword? For me two stances (knife and sword) and using the hidden blades in throws would be the best option.
Gatsu
[14] Master
I don't know wich solution i will prefer
But after seen Dampierre IF Ezio end up be the guest i think Namco guys will chose just a slighty bigger (like Dampierre's) version of his hidden blades
A short range (slighty longer reach than Taki) moveset full counters,punisher and stuff to close distances
But your idea of weapon-stance is cool and will fit
Maybe i will like see him with 2 style/stances
-sword+hidden blade (of the free hand) = balanced
-hidden blades = risk-reward, all about counter or punish
But after seen Dampierre IF Ezio end up be the guest i think Namco guys will chose just a slighty bigger (like Dampierre's) version of his hidden blades
A short range (slighty longer reach than Taki) moveset full counters,punisher and stuff to close distances
But your idea of weapon-stance is cool and will fit
Maybe i will like see him with 2 style/stances
-sword+hidden blade (of the free hand) = balanced
-hidden blades = risk-reward, all about counter or punish
GeneralELL
[08] Mercenary
I want Raidou Kuzunoha as a guest in the next SC game!
Fuzzieviking
[13] Hero
I think if that were to happen they should add some of the other characters as an option as well. I.E Fiora and Cesare
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Fatal_Exodus
[14] Master
lmao I just realized, Ezio couldn't possibly be in Soul Calibur, because it's not in the same time period. Ezio lived from the 1476 to the early 1500's, yet SCV is going to be in the early 1600's, almost (and probably) a whole 100 years after the events of AC2, Brotherhood, and probably Revelations.
Then again, Ubisoft can create a new Assassin fit for the Soul Calibur era (think something similar to the guest artists in SCIV), and its backstory probably mentions Ezio and Altair, and the possibility of Soul Calibur and Soul Edge being Pieces of Eden (or rather, just one piece, since SC was made from the metal of SE).
But yeah, Ezio can't be in SCV.
Then again, Ubisoft can create a new Assassin fit for the Soul Calibur era (think something similar to the guest artists in SCIV), and its backstory probably mentions Ezio and Altair, and the possibility of Soul Calibur and Soul Edge being Pieces of Eden (or rather, just one piece, since SC was made from the metal of SE).
But yeah, Ezio can't be in SCV.
Gabedamien
I Want To Be Happy
Link, Spawn, and Star Wars characters have been in SC. SCV “takes place” in the year 1600, where... Greeks still worship the ancient gods? A Victorian-dressed fencer and girl exist? Not to mention magic, which has been used to explain random guests before, and AC’s plot, which includes time displacement (not exactly time travel, but certainly within the scope of the supernatural forces present) as a central plot device.
I seriously doubt that NBG would stress over the 100 years’ difference. Whether they should stress about it, or my personal feelings on Ezio’s suitability or desirability as a guest character, are completely irrelevant to this point. If Ezio was in the game, they might throw in some lip service as to some temporal disturbance or the Apple or whatever justification they wanted, but they probably wouldn’t make a big deal out of it.
Most tellingly. when has SC’s alleged timeframe ever, and I mean ever, had any bearing or impact on its own internal plot? I mean, other than providing a very very loose set of warrior types and environments (most of whom could come from anytime within ±200 years of the stated timeline). When your own supposed timeframe doesn’t really matter, it becomes pretty easy to incorporate someone else’s timeframe.
Now, Altair is another matter, as we are now talking about Medieval instead of Renaissance - a much bigger shift. And the Dynasty Warriors crap that people keep thinking is possible? That’s more like FIFTEEN HUNDRED years’ difference! Complete nonsense that would require some kind of magical explanation. Just as bad as if a cyborg showed up, in my opinion. [Edit: visually, dynasty warriors would work fine, if you were completely ignorant of costume/martial history. They are, after all, historical melee fighters. But even Namco probably wouldn’t simply ignore the massive time difference in this case.]
Fatal_Exodus
[14] Master
No, I can't imagine the Apple would do some time distortion for Ezio, since the Animus can send Desmond back in time anyway. Logically, Ubisoft would be better off using a newly designed character (you can say, another ancestor of Desmond's that lives in the early 1600's). I can see this being likely, since the Apprentice was in SCIV before The Force Unleashed.