Is a Nightmare nerf coming? =(

TwiztidRaven said:
At range FC A whiffs obviously. d: But no at close range a delayed FC A beats everything. It causes the NSS K to whiff and you can punish and beats the rest of the NSS options. Still pretty much the same as 3B]. At anything but tip range Voldo can use WR K to punish but at tip range NM is completely safe from retaliation. Honestly NM seems to have alot of moves that are safe at tip range but not up close.....
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Exactly, you need good spacing to play as Nightmare. It requires a different playstyle to most of the rest of the cast.

If they do nerf his throw damage as its being speculated; flapjack will gain more importance in his mix-up game. But conversely, NM might not need his throws as much as before since Step-G is being removed and that should lead to a lot more step kills from 3AAs and 3Bs. Conversely, Nightmare will have to seriously be patient when working his way out.

I'm not to fussed about the nerfs. I will still throw a lot, pressure guard a lot and whiff punish a lot. If your opponent never ducks, flap-jack spam might be the way to go. And if he gets buffs to other parts of his game, it might balance out the lack of damage he gets from his throws.

But NM will have a bad match-up against Maxi in particular. That will be a scary match-up post patch without back- step G. I can see Natsu and Voldo being utterly terrifying match-ups as well at the moment and Lexia to a certain extent.

Maybe K and/or 6K might be buffed to 12 frames to give him a proper interrupt (speculation).
Or they will give him Algol's backstep distance to compensate lol.

This game will favor a very offensive playstyle and characters post patch 1.01. Whether it is better or worse, we shall see.

Curse Omega and Keev for taking Nightmare to the max and winning tournaments! :D

Didn't you guys hear? The status quo for NM is mid to low tier. Anything higher than that and the Galaxy must auto-correct or face utter destruction!

Edit: Wow, I'm being negative but I'm terrified for the removal of Step-G. If NM doesn't get a proper interrupt, we might be looking at a low-tier Nightie. Or maybe i'm being overly pessimistic.

Edit 2: How the heck can Nightmare get out without using NSS? And if you cannot cancel back-step with stance anymore, NSS's evasion just took a huge hit. A lot of characters will be in trouble here. Asta, Hilde, Omega, Sieg (Oh man, poor Sieg, if you thought he was low tier before just wait till they remove his spacing game), LX to some extent, Raph (Ouch another one whos gonna get creamed barring major buffs), Algol, Mitsu to some extent in some match-ups are some I can think of now.

I can see the new top tier as well lol.

Edit 3: DAMN YOU OMEGA AND KEEV! DAMN YOU FOR BEING SO GOD-LIKE! T_T
 
TwiztidRaven said:
At range FC A whiffs obviously. d: But no at close range a delayed FC A beats everything. It causes the NSS K to whiff and you can punish and beats the rest of the NSS options. Still pretty much the same as 3B]. At anything but tip range Voldo can use WR K to punish but at tip range NM is completely safe from retaliation. Honestly NM seems to have alot of moves that are safe at tip range but not up close.....
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Well, little known fact: after all of his NSS transitions, except for up close 44B, if NM just idles for a second, 2a will whiff for a free NSS A+B. It was like this in 4, but it wasn't well known. And fuck Voldo's wrk, i hope that gets nerfed.
 
DeathInMyEyes said:
Well, little known fact: after all of his NSS transitions, except for up close 44B, if NM just idles for a second, 2a will whiff for a free NSS A+B. It was like this in 4, but it wasn't well known. And fuck Voldo's wrk, i hope that gets nerfed.
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It seems like we are going to have to go back to playing SC4 style Nightmare in SC5 with the removal of Step-G. I.E. block block block until you are confident to step and punish or your opponent is on moderate negative; only then we can back-step lol.

SC4 Nightmare without the tech-traps and whiff punish range. Damn son, it gets better and better.

At least 6K and 66K are better...oh wait only 6K is.

I think Daishi has stopped playing the game, that's why Maxi and NM are being nerfed into the dust.
 
taffertier said:
Unlike you i actually try to look at characters objectively instead of the typical nightmare playerbase who needs to make threads to pat themselves on the back and assure each other it will be alright. Ideally of course the optimal route would be to buff the lower characters up to Nighties level but that realistically is not going to happen. Rather than respond with "Oh haha you so funny" Why not try and counter my claims like an adult?
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1) It has nothing to do with my character. You know who I hate? Natsu. You know what I would call you if you were demanding nerfs to Natsu? A retard.

2) Your argument has been legitimately countered by everyone who provided any statement disagreeing with you. But Jesus himself could tell you Nightmare is fine and you'd accuse him of having an agenda.

Who the fuck are you anyway, kid? Where did you get the balls to think you can determine what is and isn't too good/broken/top tier/overpowered/buff worthy/nerf worthy in a fighting game less than two months after it's release? And if you have this ability, why don't I see you playing competitively? You know the game better than ANYONE now. You should be cleaning the tournament scene right the fuck up. You obviously know how to fight every character better than anyone, because like I said you can accurately determine what is nerf worthy. Get outta here dude.

It doesn't matter what anyone says to you. Nor should it; we are obviously all out to get you.
 
Engared said:
At least 6K and 66K are better...oh wait only 6K is.
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I feel that 66K is better in SCV, feel free to disagree but, 66K6 GS B is uninterruptible but you can step it to the side, GS A will catch step including stepG, and once they've been conditioned to block you can start using throws, 1K, FC grabs to make them more active after a 66K hit. I liked using it as a block punisher because you were able to get some damage and guard damage/mixup, which is probably the best NM can do with his weak punishers.

Well with the patch coming this week, we'll have to see how things change. Patch notes should be officially released monday, so take any balance changes people post before then with a grain of salt.
 
Schneider-X said:
I feel that 66K is better in SCV, feel free to disagree but, 66K6 GS B is uninterruptible ...
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Are you sure about this? I could've sworn I've been 2K/1K/2A'd out of that before by various characters. I was under the impression that all GS transitions were interruptible before the GS A/B/K follow-up by low pokes, actually.
 
Nine-L said:
Are you sure about this? I could've sworn I've been 2K/1K/2A'd out of that before by various characters. I was under the impression that all GS transitions were interruptible before the GS A/B/K follow-up by low pokes, actually.
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I think he means on hit. I use 66K as an interrupt, rarely going into GS (the safemare i am lol). So to me, on block, -16 is much worse. And we have lost SC4 11k added on to that. I'm thinking of maining Sieg so that i can get 11K back lol.
 
Nine-L said:
1) It has nothing to do with my character. You know who I hate? Natsu. You know what I would call you if you were demanding nerfs to Natsu? A retard.

2) Your argument has been legitimately countered by everyone who provided any statement disagreeing with you. But Jesus himself could tell you Nightmare is fine and you'd accuse him of having an agenda.

Who the fuck are you anyway, kid? Where did you get the balls to think you can determine what is and isn't too good/broken/top tier/overpowered/buff worthy/nerf worthy in a fighting game less than two months after it's release? And if you have this ability, why don't I see you playing competitively? You know the game better than ANYONE now. You should be cleaning the tournament scene right the fuck up. You obviously know how to fight every character better than anyone, because like I said you can accurately determine what is nerf worthy. Get outta here dude.

It doesn't matter what anyone says to you. Nor should it; we are obviously all out to get you.
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So you just make assumptions and parrot the same old saying of "You dont go to tournies therefor you dont know what you're talking about". Best part is you dont even go either and you have the nerve to tell someone else that. And no, it hasnt been countered. All you say is that nightmare is extremely unsafe which is entirely wrong has evidence by ALL of his footage in competitive play he is rarely punished on block. As for that other guy he actually said nightmare has little to no punishes which is completely wrong and stupid when that's where he shines.

Doesnt matter though cause you are clearly butt hurt as all hell. I presented a topic and my point calmly and clearly while you responded with "WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU? GRABAGE SCRUB! YOU DONT GO TO TOURNIES HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY KNOW!?".

Stay classy and salty nightmare player.
 
Nine-L said:
1) It has nothing to do with my character. You know who I hate? Natsu. You know what I would call you if you were demanding nerfs to Natsu? A retard.

2) Your argument has been legitimately countered by everyone who provided any statement disagreeing with you. But Jesus himself could tell you Nightmare is fine and you'd accuse him of having an agenda.

Who the fuck are you anyway, kid? Where did you get the balls to think you can determine what is and isn't too good/broken/top tier/overpowered/buff worthy/nerf worthy in a fighting game less than two months after it's release? And if you have this ability, why don't I see you playing competitively? You know the game better than ANYONE now. You should be cleaning the tournament scene right the fuck up. You obviously know how to fight every character better than anyone, because like I said you can accurately determine what is nerf worthy. Get outta here dude.

It doesn't matter what anyone says to you. Nor should it; we are obviously all out to get you.
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DeathInMyEyes said:
In the words of Charlie the Unicorn, shun the nonbelievers! Seriously though, I really don't want what happened to the patch thread to happen to this thread. You're entitled to your opinion, but don't come in here and interrupt our circlejerk. Its quite nice.
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Oh look its the guy who said nightmare has little to no punishes. And blame that other guy for acting like a spoiled child. If you have a problem say it to the person, dont retreat to your circle jerk and talk shit behind their back like you're some high school girl.
 
taffertier said:
So you just make assumptions and parrot the same old saying of "You dont go to tournies therefor you dont know what you're talking about". Best part is you dont even go either and you have the nerve to tell someone else that. And no, it hasnt been countered. All you say is that nightmare is extremely unsafe which is entirely wrong has evidence by ALL of his footage in competitive play he is rarely punished on block. As for that other guy he actually said nightmare has little to no punishes which is completely wrong and stupid when that's where he shines.

Doesnt matter though cause you are clearly butt hurt as all hell. I presented a topic and my point calmly and clearly while you responded with "WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU? GRABAGE SCRUB! YOU DONT GO TO TOURNIES HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY KNOW!?".

Stay classy and salty nightmare player.
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Who's butt hurt? NM players are fine, we've played this shitty character since SC3...now he's slightly decent and can win tournaments and we're butt hurt? These new changes don't bother me in the slightest. Hey, I thought the character was crap tier before that didn't stop me or anyone else for that matter.

Go cry yourself to sleep buddy.
 
taffertier said:
Oh look its the guy who said nightmare has little to no punishes. And blame that other guy for acting like a spoiled child. If you have a problem say it to the person, dont retreat to your circle jerk and talk shit behind their back like you're some high school girl.
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...he has, like, no punishment game man. He doesn't get solid punishment until -17, and that's with meter. What the fuck are you talking about?

But yeah, none of us are butt hurt. We're all happy with the new NM. But we aren't happy with the constant whining about Nightmare being OP, when in fact, he isn't. Don't get me wrong, he's good, but he's very well balanced.


I swear, man. Nightmare players can't get a break. People are either saying our character is uber low tier, not going to be in the game and instead will be played by sophitia, or that our character is too fucking OP and needs to be hit with the nerfbat.


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KingAce said:
Who's butt hurt? NM players are fine, we've played this shitty character since SC3...now he's slightly decent and can win tournaments and we're butt hurt? These new changes don't bother me in the slightest. Hey, I thought the character was crap tier before that didn't stop me or anyone else for that matter.

Go cry yourself to sleep buddy.
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I dont know how making a thread for all of you to hug each other and say it's going to be okay counts as fine. But whatever.

DeathInMyEyes said:
...he has, like, no punishment game man. He doesn't get solid punishment until -17, and that's with meter. What the fuck are you talking about?
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His back step exists purely to help his punishment game. He has good range and speed on a lot of his attacks, his whole game plan revolves around backing up and baiting whiffs. What the fuck are YOU talking about?
 
calm down.

In a purely quantitative assessment, nightmare's moves are not what anyone would consider "fast".
 
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