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UnseenWombat said:
Jeesh guys, you do know there's an edit button, don't you?

Also, keep obviously feminine items for females (No I don't want to see Violaroth), allow gender-neutral things like hats and torn pants to be unisex.
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The danger is when you go into that kind of vague terriority is you give them free reign to make all decisions about what is "obviously feminine" and "obviously masculine". You're basically asking them to keep on doing what they're doing which is not what we want if we want more choices about "Gender definitive" clothing. It is safer to ask for it to be all unisex or we get tragedies like them thinking ripped pants are a male only item and how some shirts and boots are meant for females only like Lady Knight Greaves even though they would look good on everyone not just the girls, or the Magus Fauld

Edit: Or how guys cant get any of those sleeveless ripped robes that girls have, seriously. I guess that was too "feminine" as well.

Edit:2.0: I didnt know hats were gender neutral. Every time i go into a store there is a Men's hat section and a Women's hat section. This one time i was with my family and saw a hat i thought looked cool and they all said it was a girls hat... I still think it was a cool looking, doesnt matter if a label said it was for women.
 
Honestly, I'd like to see bits of equipment from all of the SC's with character creation, and the costumes of the characters from the games before be available in pieces. Ivy's jacket and pants from SCII, for example.
 
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taffertier said:
The danger is when you go into that kind of vague terriority is you give them free reign to make all decisions about what is "obviously feminine" and "obviously masculine". You're basically asking them to keep on doing what they're doing which is not what we want if we want more choices about "Gender definitive" clothing. It is safer to ask for it to be all unisex or we get tragedies like them thinking ripped pants are a male only item and how some shirts and boots are meant for females only like Lady Knight Greaves even though they would look good on everyone not just the girls, or the Magus Fauld

Edit: Or how guys cant get any of those sleeveless ripped robes that girls have, seriously. I guess that was too "feminine" as well.

Edit:2.0: I didnt know hats were gender neutral. Every time i go into a store there is a Men's hat section and a Women's hat section. This one time i was with my family and saw a hat i thought looked cool and they all said it was a girls hat... I still think it was a cool looking, doesnt matter if a label said it was for women.
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You have your opinion, I have mine. I'd like for some parts to be unisex, like you mentioned the Magus fauld, or the ripped robes, but I could live my whole life never seeing Mitsurugi in lace and pigtails and not feel like I've missed anything. It may be confusing for you, but most people don't have a hard time determining what is masculine or feminine.

I don't think PS is confused about it either. I would chalk up the preponderance of gender locked items to either laziness or the unreasonable time-table for release. So what you said about the "tragedy" of them arbitrarily dictating that certain things have to be masculine or feminine likely isn't even true. Besides, I think it would be a much greater tragedyto have to look at Violaroth everyother match.
 
REPROBEAN_CHILD said:
I apologize if I'm sounding rude, but I already explained why they're not making the costumes 2Ps unisex, so there's no point bringing it up again.
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I'm not really seeing a valid reason why the effort cant be into ambiguous pieces like pants or jackets.

REPROBEAN_CHILD said:
As far as editing faces in SR goes, I actually care less about that. I prefer having preset faces and choosing whatever nose, eyes, eyebrows, etc,. I want for them (something does in Phantasy Star Online and also something SCV could've used). All that time spent getting a face right could be spent making a decent costume. If you want to make a character have multiple costumes, but then deside to change the facial features, it's going to start feeling like work to make sure all the faces match. But then again, that's no SC, so it's not that important here :p
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In some cases it does take too long and may get complicated even for someone as invested as I am, but with the lack of faces in SC5, it makes me want to resort to that. (I personally dont like to use the same face or hair on more then one custom.)I'd actually settle for more face packs if they actually put effort into the DLC. Even better, making eyes, and mouths seperate pieces like the eye brows. so we can choose what type we want on what face.
 
UnseenWombat said:
I don't think PS is confused about it either. I would chalk up the preponderance of gender locked items to either laziness or the unreasonable time-table for release. So what you said about the "tragedy" of them arbitrarily dictating that certain things have to be masculine or feminine likely isn't even true. Besides, I think it would be a much greater tragedyto have to look at Violaroth everyother match.
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In SC4 there were a lot of gender specific items as well, i dont think that was due to time constraints, they simply thought they were gender specific. Judging from how they handled clothing in that game i think it is their philosophy that some things should just not be for guys and girls, which is fine for some people like yourself. But i feel it severely limits them since they can go off of whatever they think is gender neutral. I can tell the difference, mostly about what is gender neutral. The thing is i dont think others can like how project soul did in SC4 and now like they're doing in SC5. They made some things unisex in broken destiny but there were still other things that appeared gender neutral that they just didnt offer people.
 
I haven't played dress ups inSC4 for quite a while, so I don't remember how many of those could truly pass as neutral. I assume some things will slip through, and I don't know how to make them agree with the community on what should be useable by both sexes (though I'm really okay with leaving it to their discretion), but I do know the answer is not to just make everything unisex.
 
UnseenWombat said:
I haven't played dress ups inSC4 for quite a while, so I don't remember how many of those could truly pass as neutral. I assume some things will slip through, and I don't know how to make them agree with the community on what should be useable by both sexes (though I'm really okay with leaving it to their discretion), but I do know the answer is not to just make everything unisex.
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I personally dont see the problem with it, we already have some bad sights and unpleasant things to deal with in this CaS. Like you said the worst think we'll see now is Mitsurugi in pig tails, Astaroth in a dress. Is that really such a big price to pay for ensuring that we have all the pieces we want for both sexes?
 
If someone dresses up my Raph in a maid outfit (shudders)... I will hunt them down. (>#_#)
Ok guys, we all know that with good things, weird things happens. The new item placement thing now gives ppl the chance to use the racoon tail as a... you know what I mean. You know, the male thingy...
Now with the unisex equipment, PS is just being careful to make sure things don't get too out of hand. (I don't get why the maid headdress and apron (The not DLC ones) were unisex). The argument on whether this or that or this or that and this and that should be unisex basically chalks down to one point in my opinion.
In exchange for more gender neutral items that YOU think should be unisex, would you be willing to sacrifice your eyes to see weird things? We all know that it'll happen. People's creativity frighten me sometimes. (Glance over at raccoon tail and shudders).
*Btw, I'm horrible with CAS so this was never much of a bother to me. All I want are my hats to be unisex. Hats.... <3
 
taffertier said:
I personally dont see the problem with it, we already have some bad sights and unpleasant things to deal with in this CaS. Like you said the worst think we'll see now is Mitsurugi in pig tails, Astaroth in a dress. Is that really such a big price to pay for ensuring that we have all the pieces we want for both sexes?
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This argument is used a lot, that there's already a lot of bad things people make, so what's one more? I've used it myself. But I see now that the answer is not to just turn the rest of CaS into a free-for-all, but to fix the offensive things and make it respectable.
 
darkwings13 said:
In exchange for more gender neutral items that YOU think should be unisex, would you be willing to sacrifice your eyes to see weird things?
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If I could I would, for the reasons I've already said in an earlier post. However, again, it's not a must for me. Therefore, if it doesn't happen, I won't be bothered that much except from time to time tell myself things such as "how I would love to use the Oathbearer sash and leg armors on females".
 
UnseenWombat said:
This argument is used a lot, that there's already a lot of bad things people make, so what's one more? I've used it myself. But I see now that the answer is not to just turn the rest of CaS into a free-for-all, but to fix the offensive things and make it respectable.
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That sounds like more work than they'd be willing to put in, you cant satisfy everyone. I dont think they'd be able to go back and make raccoon tails and hearts and cylinders unable to be placed in certain places. And then they'd have to go back and make some things "respectable" Which again goes into territory that is up to an individuals opinion. Would that involve going back and making it so guys cant use the skirts they have now? It opens up the possibilty that we could lose a lot of possibilities because some stuff is considered offensive to others while other people dont care. I really dont see the problem in allowing the stuff that we will be seeing. Even what we have now, none of it is offensive to me, it's just people being silly and annoying which can happen in any game, it's nothing new.
 
Reave said:
lol idk how any of this unisex stuff could be up for discussion.
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It's all related to DLC, my friend. Some people have gotten greedy and think they should make everything unisex, because it's a "limitation" rather than a "standard." Some believe character specific dlc pants and vests should all be unisex, despite that they were designed for specific characters and that there are already a huge number of vests and pants that can be shared between genders. But forget about all that; everything must be unisex, because gender specific clothes are wrong and doing so is an assault on our imaginations. Besides, making cross-dressers with huge penises in a 'T' rated game so our children could see is not an issue at all and is just collateral damage.

I did expect the costumes to be unisex the first time I saw them, but they're not and I see the reason why. But no matter what PS does, there will always be people to complain about on these forums and will keep at it until they get the very last word. :)
 
REPROBEAN_CHILD said:
It's all related to DLC, my friend. Some people have gotten greedy and think they should make everything unisex, because it's a "limitation" rather than a "standard." Some believe character specific dlc pants and vests should all be unisex, despite that they were designed for specific characters and that there are already a huge number of vests and pants that can be shared between genders. But forget about all that; everything must be unisex, because gender specific clothes are wrong and doing so is an assault on our imaginations.

I did expect the costumes to be unisex the first time I saw them, but they're not and I see the reason why. But no matter what PS does, there will always be people to complain about on these forums and will keep at it until they get the very last word. :)
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You call it greedy, i call it a simple practice of "The customer is always right." You can be limited all you want, i'd rather have more options in a mode specifically designed to encourage creativity. And if children are playing a T rated game then the parents have messed up already. It's for teenagers.
 
taffertier said:
You call it greedy, i call it a simple practice of "The customer is always right." You can be limited all you want, i'd rather have more options in a mode specifically designed to encourage creativity.
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...with the tools they provide you with. Hell, character specific clothing based on 1Ps and 2Ps is probably the most reasonable limitation in this game :D
 
@ Forgon: I don't know about BD, but with every sequel parts from sets have been lost. SCIII had a full Punishment set of armor, IV has just the shoulders and another piece(can't recall), and now in V all we have is the shoulders. Some sets we've never had completed, such as the specific "demonic" samurai armor with most pieces in III but only gauntlets and kimono/armor combo in IV with no pieces in V. I guess they're running out of time, but I know I'd love it if we could get pieces to complete all our incomplete sets. Complete Leviathan armor set, anyone?

@ Wombat: I'm looking forward to the day you are royally pwned by Violaroth in a live streamed tourney that allows CAS. That, and it makes as much sense for them to make crossdressing more viable as these other wacky niche items being in the game. Crossdressing isn't any worse than all the maid crap or...some other niche item, like King's outfit which we're getting.
 
Wandrian said:
@ Forgon: I don't know about BD, but with every sequel parts from sets have been lost. SCIII had a full Punishment set of armor, IV has just the shoulders and another piece(can't recall), and now in V all we have is the shoulders. Some sets we've never had completed, such as the specific "demonic" samurai armor with most pieces in III but only gauntlets and kimono/armor combo in IV with no pieces in V. I guess they're running out of time, but I know I'd love it if we could get pieces to complete all our incomplete sets. Complete Leviathan armor set, anyone?

@ Wombat: I'm looking forward to the day you are royally pwned by Violaroth in a live streamed tourney that allows CAS. That, and it makes as much sense for them to make crossdressing more viable as these other wacky niche items being in the game. Crossdressing isn't any worse than all the maid crap or...some other niche item, like King's outfit which we're getting.
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Some people find cross dressing in itself offensive. I believe those people are called Republicans.
 
...Let's not get political or throw beliefs beyond aesthetics in here, please. Some people dislike the idea and are generally bothered by the idea of crossdressing. But as long as it's just in a game, it really shouldn't be any more offensive than wearing heavy armor with a skirt. And while of course that isn't exactly a pleasant-sounding idea, it's also not something one should let themselves be bothered by.
 
I wonder if we'll get more armor parts with the Ancient Armor set or whatever it was called in the trailer. I know about one set that is shown in screenies, but it'd be nice to get more than one set in the first pack, especially with those weird super pointy boots those have.
 
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