[ARCHIVE] Raph vs the World: Matchup Thread

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Cutting down on Prep as much as possible is actually the best thing you can do. As it is her 236AA is even worse than 3A as it can shut down Prep even at long range. Don't try to use Prep on block. Use it on hit as a punisher like Leonyx said. Once people start to block more they often tend to freeze up more. And if she is stupid enough to try to bullrush you on hit throw a prepBB BE in her face. Also try to use more SE when you can as it can lead to massive damage. Keep her at distance and don't be too defensive but also don't be too offensive as she can destroy you when you are too agressive. And the most important thing is do not let yourself be overwhelmed by her.

As for 66B BE. Try to step the second hit. The timing is somewhat tricky but believe me nothing is more satisfying than stepping the second hit and doing a back throw. Of course there is always 4A if it is too hard.
 
Prep A+B and prep4 will be successful at approx the same range, so anytime you can score a prep4 whiff you may as well prep A+B unless you have meter. On the other hand, at least 3A is punishable, so 3B, (block) 6BB maybe a setup you're willing to run (have to repeat 15 times to kill her). I find her 236AA much more damaging against raph (similiar range, maybe even less than 3A), but prep4, SEB, / prep 4 prepA+B or prep4 prepBBB seems to be perfectly timed to counter it.

Always tap 22 against 66B BE no matter which side you are (1p vs 2p) for some reason having to do with WR and QS buffering issues.
 
Her 236AA is annoying as shit. The range in this move is retarded. On block it can shut down almost every Prep option. Tip range 3B~prep4~SE and she still can catch Raphael. What the hell is PS smoking.
 
Yeah I know. You can also use 44B to counter the second hit. It's just there is no fun playing against her. Someone who uses a short sword but slides across half of the screen. Yeah right. Oh well maybe it's just my personal bias against her. I really hate her so much.
 
well i think we are just used to that .....things didn t change from last chapter prep on block = death agaisnt any greek (patsuka and patroklos are far worse on this) at least she hasn t any TC fast launcher like her brother.

Atm i am quite playing the poking game against her...it seems to work somehow i don t put any pressure.
 
Mr.Hai said:
Tip range 3B/4B ~4~BB will evade the first hit and hit her out of the second. This opens up 236B, but it is Pyrrha.
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She still can catch you if timed well enough. Tip range 4B/3B~perp4~BB can still be catched with a 236AA because of the advance animation in prep4 before Raphael attacks. For example from a neutral position, meaning the position at the start of a round, when Raphael does a 4B it will whiff. If the Pyrrha player guards the 4B will connect. Now as far as I can tell this is still not the max range of 4B as you have to do a slight backstep to reach max range. Regardless, using this setup 4B~prep4~SE/prepA+B is the farthest Raphael can evade backwards during Prep. Even at this range 236AA still can hit you out of SE and beat prepA+B. Of course this is not always guaranteed but it's still a joke that I have to be on the other side of the ring to evade her. And there is always 236B, 3A and 66B.
 
Any tips on the Misturugi MU? I finally have a PS3 so I can play my copy of the game and every mitsu I encounter online I get bodied hella?
 
remember also that pyrrha loves to spam horizontals...and 4A+B is good.
Also that stupid move i forgot always the command that Tech step while Tech jumping and hits with the shield used often after a 2A or 2K.

8A+B will aGI it and send the greek on the moon or at least hit.
 
It's less balance wise as I am used to PS ass kissing the Greeks. It's just something about this character ticks me off. Everytime I hear her voice I want to punch a kitten. Normally I have no problems with whiny characters but this time I don't know.

Funny thing is I still use Pyrrha as my secondary character even though I can't stand her. Kinda hypocritical lol.
 
Well, this thread has been very productive (and a tad bit vicious) for me! Thanks for the help, guys. It really does help to just do 3B and the like without entering Prep. It can leave an opponent disoriented since they're expecting some Prep work.

I haven't had much trouble with any other characters yet. Xiba is a little annoying but I really have no real issues with him, it's just that my friend that plays him is a habitual sidestepper. That sort of thing can be beat with 2A, but it never crosses my mind to use it! I'll play a little more and I'll be sure to ask here again if I run into another jerk character. Once again, thanks everyone!
 
Is there anything Raphael can do against Ivy's 214B? This move is just sickening. As far as i can tell it makes her completely freaking invincible and allows her to evade any pressure i might put up against her while being almost completely safe on block and having godlike tracking preventing you from side stepping it at close range.

I just went up against an Ivy player and it felt like the whole reason i lost was because of this move, she was doing it 3 times in a row at times and there wasnt a thing i could do besides get a quick 6BB in after i blocked it. Then after i did that she was free to go back into it and beat out just about all my attacks. None of my horizontals could beat its side stepping / tech crouching properties. At least not any that would be able to come out in time to be considered. It's moves like this that allow me to use Viola completely guilt free.

In short. How the hell am i supposed to fight Ivy as Raphael? Particularly 214B.
 
Do you mean Venom Lash? Yeah this attack can be annoying. Actually you can step this attack to her left. You have to delay the step a bit. If you step too early she will realign and hit you. Also 2A will beat it close to mid range.
 
Vigo said:
Do you mean Venom Lash? Yeah this attack can be annoying. Actually you can step this attack to her left. You have to delay the step a bit. If you step too early she will realign and hit you. Also 2A will beat it close to mid range.
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That's what bugs me, her venom lash has pretty good range on it. I have to be pretty up close for it to hit her in anticipation. And stepping the move is extremely tricky cause it looks like quick steps causes it to track you or causes the hit box to magically hit you, while normal side stepping will allow you to get around it. Usually anyway. It's like i can take the risk of stepping it, which i dont like, or i can try and 2A but only if i'm in the right range.
 
did you ever see how strong raph is against ivy at distance?
236B punish everything, if she runs and 66AA you can 4A+B on reaction etc etc etc.

Against 214B a good mixup is blocking :)
if you vary your attack you can block that answer and punish.

the real problem is 1B not 214B....still i think its not a bad matchup...aside the fact that for some reason 99% of ivy i know changed to other characters XD
 
i meant to comment on this earlier but i was on vacation, but pyrrah's 3A and 236AA trade and lost to prep K respectively off of a blocked 3b. I know 3A is suppose to be an i18 but i have tested this offline both as pyrrah and with a recorded pyrrah. You can actually combo 11k off of the trade to make it in ur favor.

About prep on block in general i say its a pretty strong tool off of 3b and 66b. if u are gd at reading ur opponents then dont shy away from using it every now and then
 
I really like 8A+B after blocking pyrrha's 66B. Takes care of DNS A, any of her stabs, her AA/2A and step-into-attacks.
 
also about pyraah i didnt know u can step both options from her 4A. u just have to step shield side it seems. With kowtow not really coming by ne more how do we update the front page?
 
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