Rise of Leixia!

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Solo said:
I think it's hilarious how every argument people make about Leixia I can say the same thing about Sieg. I'm going to just leave this alone though. Continue on... *grabs popcorn*
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He does damage. He evades, and if you cut his movelist like Omega Pyrrha's do, he can be relatively safe. What the HELL would you complain for? lol. Biggest thing you have to complain about is having to Maxi.
 
EmptySky00 said:
Oh I'm in the "buff Sieg" boat, too. But no one's saying "Tira won so Sieg can too!" so he's not relevant to this argument. It's just perpetual and people need to stop suggesting that she's only bad because the players are bad and are unwilling to try and make her work. What do they think the remaining Leixia players have been TRYING to do ever since the nerfs?
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...What are you talking about? Sieg won too.

ZeroEffect317 said:
Yo my man... I appreciate what you attempted to do, but I gotta stop you right there.

First of all, your character winning EVO was great. We all liked it. You are very wrong however when you claim the game balanced. I'm not into all the "whining" either, but what you're saying doesn't prove anything except you're just an outsider looking in. You play Tira. It'd be like all the Xianghua mains in SC4 telling Talim players they aren't winning because they "just aren't good enough".

You can't compare Alpha to Leixia... At all. Execution you can get down with practice. You don't "deal with doing less damage" by practice. Less damage is always less. You can't improve upon it. If you really sit back and think about your last couple posts, you should realize they don't make sense. (I'm not gonna break down all the reasons why here. if you wanna know we can go to PMs)

Tiers are very real, Matchup disadvantages are very real. The fact that Mitsurgui's CH poke damage is the same as a number of Leixia NH combos is very real. Yes. You are being insulting when you claim that those of us who do go to tournaments and test stuff out aren't TRYING, and also naive if you claim that this is a balanced game. With a few tweaks it can be, but atm absolutely not.
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QFE.

and Fixed. Leixia isn't Rock bad, so let's put this a tad more in perspective.
 
AKNova7 said:
He does damage. He evades, and if you cut his movelist like Omega Pyrrha's do, he can be relatively safe. What the HELL would you complain for? lol. Biggest thing you have to complain about is having to Maxi.
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Your post doesn't even make sense. "Biggest thing you have to complain about is having to Maxi"? WTF are you talking about? If you want me to tell you the facts about Sieg PM me, no need to clutter this thread.

EDIT: Oh not to mention, I would complain about whiffing combos because the sword decided to go through my opponent...
 
ZeroEffect317 said:
I can do without people tellin me she's better than she is or that guys like me aren't trying to win with what we've been stuck with via nerfing.
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I definitely wasn't saying people aren't trying hard enough or she should be doing better. It was just a simplified overview of my opinion on the character.
 
Solo said:
Your post doesn't even make sense. "Biggest thing you have to complain about is having to Maxi"? WTF are you talking about? If you want me to tell you the facts about Sieg PM me, no need to clutter this thread.
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Maxi. Sorry, my friends use "Maxi-ing" as a verb for being in stance and not able to block immediately, so having to use reverse mix-up to keep from getting blown up. Too lazy to get PM on.
 
AKNova7 said:
Maxi. Sorry, my friends use "Maxi-ing" as a verb for being in stance and not able to block immediately, so having to use reverse mix-up to keep from getting blown up.
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You don't even know a damn thing about the character. Just quit now.
 
Kvasir said:
I definitely wasn't saying people aren't trying hard enough or she should be doing better. It was just a simplified overview of my opinion on the character.
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I know you weren't. As I said we talked about this. I was referring to many others, in this case Wandrian.
 
Solo said:
You don't even know a damn thing about the character. Just quit now.
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A damn thing, huh? Not as much as the people who use Siegfried on a daily basis, no. But I definitely had to learn how the character works in SCIV and V. But, really, I think you're just a bit overzealous in claiming someone knows absolutely nothing about your character. Thanks.

Edit: At least your whiffing issues is a glitch and wasn't something the developer actually intended. Be thankful for that.
 
AKNova7 said:
A damn thing, huh? Not as much as the people who use Siegfried on a daily basis, no. But I definitely had to learn how the character works in SCIV and V. But, really, I think you're just a bit overzealous in claiming someone knows absolutely nothing about your character. Thanks.
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You do the exact same thing when it's people talking about Leixia. Your post seems to be about you, you flame anyone who says Leixia isn't worse than Raphael (yes a hyperbole).
 
Solo said:
You do the exact same thing when it's people talking about Leixia. Your post seems to be about you, you flame anyone who says Leixia isn't worse than Raphael (yes a hyperbole).
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I'm pretty harsh, and I rant on and on, but flame is exaggerating what I do, definitely. And, no, not at all. Characters are measured by the sum of their most viable parts in their match-ups, so, Raphael can't be better than her, but he does have some interesting tools that, while they make them no better than her, can be used well if someone could figure out how to get around the character's problems. Leixia has this same situation, as it's common of the SCV lower tier, but the difference with her is the amount of times she would have to use these tools to win her games.

Which makes her not that great herself, because her strongest upside is if you can make some of the best reads possible all match long.

Needless to say, her most effective strategy isn't just using her frames to your advantage, it's also using her defensive potential to bring the opponent down to your level. It just requires a defensive level that is hard to come by in current SC players.
 
AKNova7 said:
...What are you talking about? Sieg won too.



QFE.

and Fixed. Leixia isn't Rock bad, so let's put this a tad more in perspective.
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Did he? Oh right OmegaDR used him in the world championships or whatever. Is that the one? I should have said Raph but Sieg was in my head at that moment. <_> And it's not so much a "... what are you talking about?" as it is a I don't keep a detailed list of all the people winning tournaments in my head. Honest mistake.

Jeez this threat blew up <_<
 
Isn't that on par with Hilde and Zwei? They've got many very strong tools, they just require more and different thinking than other characters.

@ZeroEffect: Damn you and your sound, reasonable arguments!
 
Solo said:
^He didn't win with Sieg, he only used Sieg to avoid a mirrior match because Omega hates mirrors. He won with Nightmare.
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I was about to come back and say "TECHHNICCALLALALY, he only used sieg the last match so he didn't really win a tournament with him."
 
Leixia, though I still believe she should be buffed, is not a "bad" character, I main natsu and Pyrrha and I ALWAYS have a lot of trouble against good leixias, leixia has a longer range than natsu and she is almost as fast as natsu is, and she is faster than pyrrha, so leixia, in my opinion, is an almost-balanced character, she sucks against long-ranged charachers such as astaroth or siegfried but she is pretty good against many top tiers like Viola for example.

I only complain against mitsurugi, nightmare and raphael, the first one is truly broken, the 2nd one cheap as hell and the third one well, what a joke, i only use him because he is one of my faves since SC3 but this raphael is broken though not in the same way as mitsu, if you understand me, I want a real raphael. -_-

oh and tira is not a low tier, she is fun to use and can be really deadly if you know how to use her.
 
lxhizy said:
Leixia, though I still believe she should be buffed, is not a "bad" character, I main natsu and Pyrrha and I ALWAYS have a lot of trouble against good leixias, leixia has a longer range than natsu and she is almost as fast as natsu is, and she is faster than pyrrha, so leixia, in my opinion, is an almost-balanced character, she sucks against long-ranged charachers such as astaroth or siegfried but she is pretty good against many top tiers like Viola for example.

I only complain against mitsurugi, nightmare and raphael, the first one is truly broken, the 2nd one cheap as hell and the third one well, what a joke, i only use him because he is one of my faves since SC3 but this raphael is broken though not in the same way as mitsu, if you understand me, I want a real raphael. -_-
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"She sucks against Siegfried" Solo, come @ us. Lmfao.

Just a note, using the word "Cheap" devalidates your argument a bit. And you could possibly be having trouble because you don't know the MU <_> Just saying.
 
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