TwistedAsura
The Wanderer
Im just saying in there is ever a reboot give us the Dante guest character we never got in 3. And not this new Dante crap XD
If there was a Soul Calibur VI, prequel/sequel/reboot/retcon?
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DevilsDisguise
[13] Hero
I actually dont see any cliche in Patroklos or Pyrhha's character at all, their childhoods were just rushed. Imagine if Naruto only had 13 episodes but everything that happened up until now had to be sqeezed into that limit? I was only really starting to like Sophie and Cass to a recignizable elevation at the point of their SC4 endings, which seemed to be actually brining a new perception to the story and the only ones that actually meant something. (Talim beating Algol just to tell him she didnt really want to at all?). Cassandra the only person willing to break Soul calibur to protect her family was pretty cool. On that not she should have been in SC5 for that reason. SC5 hints that Elysium may be evil as well; so who better to expose that truth and mentor Pyrhha then Cass? They can just say she never aged because of what she did to Break SC. It stopped her aging as it had to revitalize.
OneManjiArmy
[10] Knight
When I watched the ending of SC5, when Pat and Phyr were holding hands, I was like, "Aw, thts so cute. They bouta kiss."
....then I realized they were related.
..Still a better love story than Twilight.
SC5 needs a LOVE STORY
....then I realized they were related.
..Still a better love story than Twilight.
SC5 needs a LOVE STORY
TsunamiBye
[14] Master
So in summary, you still haven't let go of the nostalgia goggles eh? I believe I found part of the problem. You want worthy successors that will make Cassy and Sophie proud I presume?
jtdam09
[13] Hero
Why should they even have to be like their predecessors in the first place? God forbid Patroklos acting like Cassandra. smh
While these are video game characters, I think of it like this comparison: Both of your parents are basketball players, but you want to be an artist. Because of this, you're either going to be criticized or put down upon, because according to some "you aren't fulfilling your family honor" by becoming an athlete like them. What they don't understand is that you are an individual, and as an individual, you can lead your path if you please.
If Patroklos isn't doing the same task, or even having the same personality as Sophitia, or Cassandra, why should he be penalized for that? Same goes for Natsu and Taki.
TsunamiBye
[14] Master
jtdam09
[13] Hero
Needs more Justice.
salarta
[09] Warrior
By that same token.
1) If Patroklos and Pyrrha are going to be completely different characters from Sophitia and Cassandra for personality, then why kick Sophitia and Cassandra out of the series?
2) If the children can take entirely different paths in life and talents than the rest of their family, then why did Patroklos and Pyrrha have to use sword and shield for their weapons, which is part of the excuse to kick Sophitia and Cassandra out of the series, when they could have adopted completely different weapons and fighting styles?
Daishi invited these criticisms of Patroklos and Pyrrha when he decided to remove Sophitia and Cassandra from the series and put Patroklos and Pyrrha on a pedestal as their replacements in "a new generation." As much as we could say they deserve a fair shake as their own characters, the truth is that Daishi killed any chance they had of getting it. Your example was that it's unfair to judge the child of a famous athlete for not being like his or her parents by choosing to be an artist, but that's not quite an accurate comparison. A more accurate comparison would be that what Daishi did with SCV was to force the famous athlete parent to retire from his or her profession, then try to force the fans of that forcibly retired athlete to accept watching the athlete's artist child try and fail at taking that retired athlete's place as an athlete.
Daishi could have genuinely introduced Patroklos and Pyrrha as unique entities that can and should be taken for who they are and not how they compare to Sophitia and Cassandra. He deliberately chose to introduce them to the series in such a way that it's impossible to not start giving them failing marks for not being Sophitia and Cassandra. Either they aren't like Sophitia and Cassandra and get bad marks for "not following in their footsteps," or they're too much like Sophitia and Cassandra and get bad marks for "trying too hard to be like Sophitia and Cassandra." They're in a no-win situation, and yes it's unfair, but that's what happens when the director of the game has no respect for certain characters in the series and tries to replace them with his personal fanfic ideas. Daishi could have slowly introduced his new characters, but apparently it was just too important to him to kick out iconic and much-loved characters in the series for not being ones he personally adores and respects.
IdleMind
BANNED FOREVER
This. This is why nobody respects you.
You are LITERALLY implying that a creator has personal "vendettas" against fictional characters are a legitimate and true point of contention. I can't even find the word for how pathetic this is.
TsunamiBye
[14] Master
Yeah....After the reading the first part, I can conclude that the rest of this post nothing more than a stubborn nostalgia goggled comment. Are we SC or we Tekken? Tekken got like over 50 characters to learn. SC has half yet is still as good as Tekken. Imho, I prefer SC since despite what the haters say.
Seriously, you sound like those fans who say: Usher(google this music artist if you don't know) shouldn't have taken that mainstream route. He should of kept to the ways of the 90s. Except with an articulate elaboration of nothing.
Now I don't like change as much as the next guy, but what PS and Daishi decides to do sits well with me. At least now. If you're playing SC for the story and characters......wait this comment has been used and beaten and done before. Just know you can't change what has been done. Continue to not make sense/articulate with deja vu.
salarta
[09] Warrior
Hmm, so a legitimate question on why iconic characters should be removed amounts to "a stubborn nostalgia goggled comment?" Okay then. It's your right to interpret it however you wish. :)
And actually, you can change what has been done, easily. It's been done. Mortal Kombat.
TsunamiBye
[14] Master
It doesn't matter how clever and tough you sound, the whole post of yours just made me think you haven't accepted SCV for what it is.
If Daishi listened to you, do you honestly think SC series will be saved? If you say yes, I suggest you get to packing and go chat with Daishi for yourself on what you think is right. However, be prepared to know that I already know you won't reach that point, but you can prove me wrong.
salarta
[09] Warrior
And you're right, I don't accept SCV for what it is. I don't feel that's the issue. I feel the issue should be WHY do I and many other people not accept SCV for what it is. Even if you find a reason to write off anything I say, there's still tons of people that you need to figure out why they didn't bother with the game, why they didn't accept it for what it is.
I don't think Daishi listening to me personally and only me would save the series. That would be idiotic and egotistical. I'm speaking from my personal perspective on what I think are the problems and what should be fixed. The reality is that if Daishi cared about treating the series right toward the story and characters, he should listen to what everyone is saying. However, last I saw he started descending into the trap of only listening to the people that praise his ideas and work and refusing to listen to any criticism, which is very dangerous. That kind of attitude kills IPs, or at least forces them into temporary hiatus.
The Soul series will be saved when Daishi or whoever takes his place, depending on how things go next, is willing to acknowledge criticism and act on it. And I mean positively, treating everything with due respect. If the response from Daishi or his successor is to "punish" anyone that dares to criticize how things are being handled (that sounds paranoid, but I've seen it happen before with comic books), that's just going to kill the series.
TsunamiBye
[14] Master
Hate to burst your bubble, but he should consider what people think not listen. Still he isn't perfect if listened to that one guy who said "let's genderbend a Naruto" lol. His game not ours. Deal with it. I said stuff like go out and have a chat with him because imho you came off as someone who thought he knew more. Unintentionally.
I could sit here and pick apart what you say and question everything you say, but it won't get me any result for how silly they are and how redundant this argument goes. Instead, I suggested a long term goal of solution to your worries. Why? Because I know the only way you can understand why he does things, is by asking the source. As far-fetched as this sounds, you may get clarity for why mascots like Taki are removed.
For me however, I already got some answers by reading the story and using some common sense by looking at both the pros and cons. However, since this is about what you aren't satisfied with in SCV, I'm only making it straight to the point with: If you don't like it, take some sort of action or deal with it.
I will say ironically I agree SC series needs more work just like you, but I can't deny that as a consumer I believe it's taking the step in the right direction. So I will conclude yes, it needs more work. No, your ideas and all are stupid because it makes me uneasy. However, the middle ground is we both want SC series to be better.
jtdam09
[13] Hero
Did he really think that the direction Daishi took was "unfair"? My goodness. Let me just leave this alone.
salarta
[09] Warrior
Perhaps a poor choice of words on my part, I focused on listening because being able to consider something requires listening to it first. I didn't mean to suggest he should blindly make any change suggested regardless of consequences. I emphasized the need to acknowledge and adjust based on criticism because it seems Daishi has a much harder time with that, but it's true that the flip side of the coin is dangerous too. You can get to some pretty awful places if you try to bend over backwards for every single desire that consumers want sated.
As for asking from the source, it would be nice if I could confront Daishi about a lot of the crap he's done, but unfortunately that will never happen. The next best thing I can do is get an idea of what he was thinking based on interviews. When it comes to Taki, I gathered that he wanted an excuse to get rid of her and replace her with his fanfic concept of what a ninja should be, rather than simply keeping Taki and adding in Natsu. That's what I gather when he pulls a stunt like removing her and throws out an excuse during interviews of "She's too old to be an active ninja" yet Mitsurugi and Siegfried are still active, and other iconic characters like Ivy get to be in the game because of a plot device that says they don't age.
And I am taking some action. For one, I didn't buy SCV, and I currently have no intention of buying anything Soul series related until the series and characters like Sophitia and Taki are treated right. That's the most important, because companies these days only listen when they know money is at stake; if they think you'll buy it no matter what they do, they won't listen to a single criticism, because they know they have your money anyway. But secondly, I'm posting here, and that has two effects. One, it spreads my concerns to other fans of the series which can conjure new thoughts (likewise, reading posts by other fans may make me realize things I didn't notice before), and two, Daishi basically singled this site out early on in the development of SCV as what he listens to.
By the way, I would talk about the need to listen to and consider criticism even if I loved the hell out of SCV. As a similar case, I loved Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within. I thought it was fantastic, and that judged on its own merits and accepted for what it is, it was an excellent film. The majority of people disagree with me. That doesn't make them stupid, or ignorant, or blinded by nostalgia goggles. It means they have a problem with how something was handled, and if The Spirits Within were ever to get more done with it, then the reasons for their hatred would have to be acknowledged and considered.
TsunamiBye
[14] Master
I will say and no offense why be around when you say SCV needs work when you don't have the game? Let me just tell you drag you back to this part of what I'm getting at:
Right now, your argument still comes off to me as a refusal to buy the series as a nostalgia freak. Sophitia and Taki not being treated right? I didn't know SC characters had feelings and we should treat them as pets. Granted there's nothing wrong with loving them, but right now I think that's where the meat of your argument stems from.
Namco ladies like Taki and Sophie removed due to a silly excuse like they're too old. You being unhappy. Thus you start your hyperbole here. Personally here's the part where it gets hectic: Whaaa Taki not here yet they kept Mitsu. They give me a silly excuse. I'm gonna explain that they made a grave mistake.
That's what it reads like to me except regurgitated to your liking. Imho, that's where gets irritable not because you stated your opinion, but because I've met one too many unhappy peeps of SCV and it all stems from "bring this back" or "bring my character back". Let's just say when someone said deal with it, they just had to start some trivial talk only to get us to frown.
That's not to say I don't want you state your opinion, but use some common sense and know which way to cross the road. How this doesn't contribute is it's just a fancy formal whine in reality.
Pyrrus
[14] Master
Ramus
[14] Master
I believe no one got my point, true is while Natsu and Xiba were completely fresh in they personality even with the modern aspect of Natsu was better than what they did with Pyrrha and Patroklos, Leixia is but Xianghua.
My point is both Patroklos and Pyrrha personality are lesser versions of Cassandra and Sophitia and this is why they got the biggest hit when someone review the new characters.
If they got a whole new personality like Natsu and Xiba that have nothing with they predecessors.
By the way unlike some people seems to think in this site, one person don't need to be a complete extremist to have a opinion, so no I don't hate my mains or haven't accepted Soul Calibur V.
