Setsuka - Q&A Thread

O , ok , thnk u very much Shenrei ^_^

Altho isnt that bending the rules a little ? lol , or does evry1 bind and its just me in my naiveness (if thats a word) who plays with default controls ?
 
Single button binds have always been accepted as far as I know (except now for Hilde, but whatever. One character is not going to change the ruleset for the other 30+ characters). It's the multiple button ones (ie. A+B, B+K, etc) that have speculation. Nowadays, most people don't really care. Most. Why make things hard on yourself? It's easier to slide aB with the face buttons on a pad and do 2A+B with one face button and one trigger button. Due to the layout of the pad, any other way would be inane.

I use single button binds, but if another player can beat me consistently using multiple button binds, then he is clearly the better player and binding has nothing to do with it.
 
wow , ur very knowledgeable , ill go get used to K bein a trigger then , thnx 4 the help

Sorry guys , but I have another question about 22/88 A+B A . Most of the time I use it the A+B is mid , and the A is high , however Im sure Ive seen people hit grounded opponents with it . Can this be done or am I just being stupid and theyre using a completely different move , or maybe just catching the opponent before they hit the ground
 
Saw this in another arena and got me thinkin, anyone have any setups for Set's unblockable? Wish it hit grounded. :(

Edit: 4K on hit? They would have to shake and step to avoid, not sure how much time they would have.
 
I've always been curious about this..

Setsuka seems to have two different animations for her BT A.

One looks like the beginning of her AA and the other is more of a turning around slash (Easiest way to see is using A+K to get into BT and use A).

Any different between the two aside from animation?
 
FireFlash said:
wow , ur very knowledgeable , ill go get used to K bein a trigger then , thnx 4 the help

Sorry guys , but I have another question about 22/88 A+B A . Most of the time I use it the A+B is mid , and the A is high , however Im sure Ive seen people hit grounded opponents with it . Can this be done or am I just being stupid and theyre using a completely different move , or maybe just catching the opponent before they hit the ground
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It's catching before they are grounded. It won't hit grounded, but it will pick up if they're just landing. I haven't checked in a while, might be a S. Mid hit?
 
ioKain said:
Saw this in another arena and got me thinkin, anyone have any setups for Set's unblockable? Wish it hit grounded. :(

Edit: 4K on hit? They would have to shake and step to avoid, not sure how much time they would have.
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Enough time. Seems the unblockable can be interrupted with a fast-ish move even without shaking the 4K stun. And if they don't shake the stun, B+K is more reliable and does basically the same damage.

I did use A+G to set up 44A+B for a while. People seem quite happy to get up immediately after the throw (anticipating A+K B, I guess) and into the unblockable. But that's on a laggy Xbox Live, not sure if it'd work offline and/or against someone who knows what they're doing...
 
Shade_Buster said:
I've always been curious about this..

Setsuka seems to have two different animations for her BT A.

One looks like the beginning of her AA and the other is more of a turning around slash (Easiest way to see is using A+K to get into BT and use A).

Any different between the two aside from animation?
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I didnt find that interesting, until your post.

I think all characters have something like that. Its nothing odd or random, its depends form the side. We can be on BT but opp can be a little more on out left or right side and then algorithm will choice version of BT move (no only BT A, also FC A, B, FC B probably K and fc K also), that will looks more natural and will have less rotation.

Frames are the same. Maybe one version where she turns around faster is 1 frame faster but it's hard do check and it's really doesn’t make differences:).
 
So I'm a total noob when it comes to landing umbrella after A+K,B. Do I *have* to use a jf umbrella? Is there any other finisher I could use instead? 33B? Or better yet is there any kind of tech catch she has after A+K,B?
 
Bronzefist said:
So I'm a total noob when it comes to landing umbrella after A+K,B. Do I *have* to use a jf umbrella? Is there any other finisher I could use instead? 33B? Or better yet is there any kind of tech catch she has after A+K,B?
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It's doesn't have to be jf, but it's still pretty tight timing. The best I can say is try starting the input later (a little later than it feels you should after the A+K,B) and try performing the whole input as fast as possible.

There really isn't much you can do after A+K,B that's very reliable in any way. Though you DO get the significant advantage of whatever Ukemi you'd like to try so long as you don't whiff a random move after the A+K,B.
 
Bronzefist said:
So I'm a total noob when it comes to landing umbrella after A+K,B. Do I *have* to use a jf umbrella? Is there any other finisher I could use instead? 33B? Or better yet is there any kind of tech catch she has after A+K,B?
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I'll usually go for 33B if it's a tight game. I can connect normal Umbrella, but like Rico said, the timing is very tight (I find that's generally true for Umbrella in any kind of combo too).
 
I have some setsuka questions. I picked her up about a week ago and fell in love with her quickness and jf umbrella, great punisher, haha. Anyway, the question here is how can I get better? Since I'm pretty much out of the Online prospect of this game, since my conn. is rather horrid, probably change dsl plan at a later time. Putting that aside, what I do is basically do is go to training, practice her full moveset, her jfs, pulling off the jf umbrella and combos. After about 20-30 mins of that I usually just go to vs. mode and play the cpu at Very Hard because I'm not quite there in Edgemaster and just duke it out with random characters. So my question here is that if doing this will improve my setsuka gameplay? Oh and before I forget, how long does it take to learn to successfully do the A JF A JF A move at least 60% of the time? I think I almost have the B:B one down, and the FC3B:B ones down, but that one kinda never really comes out, haha. Any tips on how to perform it? Thanks in advance to whoever answers these questions!
 
Everyone falls in love with Sets' quickness it's her staple, for learning her 1A:A:A try turning the voice to Japanese(it has some subtle hints)and practice till you have the muscle memory. Since you don't go online it wont be a problem. And practice her combos listed in the sexy Setsuka combo thread, it has easy ones to practice.and her throwing game is decent you just have to know when to buffer.
 
haxking, thanks for the help. I already have the voices on Japanese, mainly because they sound better, haha. I use here A+G followed by A+K B 214B since I pretty much don't succeed in the 214~3aB, though I have been practicing that in training, vigilantly. I think I broke down the timing for 1A:A:A, but I'm not too sure. My guess is that its at the same speed as the 1B:B move, and then as soon as she's flashing, go for A immediately. Easier said than done though, haha. I'm learning the way of the Setsuka, slowly but surely, haha
 
i practiced her 1A:A:A by viewing it in her movelist... then pressing 'A' every time she hits the opponent... it seems awkward but the timing of the three 'A' when it hits is the same as how u would normally do the move...

btw to mr. cheese: i think u r right about different animation of BT A being faster... after A+K A on hit one of the BT A won't combo... but the other one will... btw wtf is up with A+K A guaranteeing 33B if she connects it after jumping over??? risky but if smell a TC coming this is deadly...
 
lol I love the A+K A cross up. We should research moves that the cross over would be useful against. I'm too lazy to do it myself right now, might get on it sometime.
 
i think any tc move that doesn't leave them in fc is good... like liz or sophie's tc launchers... cass's 44b... night's 33b or 11k? mitsu's 1b or 66bb or 33b? asta 3a+b? setsuka's ws b or fc 3a+b? or maybe taki's PO???
 
It doesn’t have to be a TC move in any frame. In my movie used 44B and it isn’t TC. It depends from animation, frames, hit box of move. Like Mitsu 66B will usually kill A+K until he will make 66B too late (also in my movie), also Setsu BB can loose with A+K and theoretically it shouldn’t because of animation (probably BB doesn’t have active frames before those frames are less then 15~16 or just hit box is just that small. So its really not that easy to find those moves, you can find one and then you find out that A+K works there only in 20% of this move animation.

btw to mr. cheese: i think u r right about different animation of BT A being faster... after A+K A on hit one of the BT A won't combo... but the other one will... btw wtf is up with A+K A guaranteeing 33B if she connects it after jumping over??? risky but if smell a TC coming this is deadly...
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lol im not any mr. xD.
Both BT A are the same speed, i check this. After A+K A setska usually make BT A turning her right side and it's not always guaranteed, but when she make BT A turning her left side it doesn’t change anything. Also this second version is usually made after simple A+K.
I think i wrote somewhere why sometimes its guaranteed. It just character, range, side dependent. A+K A have many active frames, and on some characters it connects normal in first frame, and on others this first active frame will miss but the second active frame will hit. In those situations we have +1 slower move (it hits one frame later) but we also have +1 frame more advantage and then BT A is guaranteed. But this guaranteed is really inconsistent mostly because side dependent.

A+K A 33B is also not consistant, wsB will restun them alvays if they will be in range.
 
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