Uber1337
[10] Knight
That continuous GI you are refering to is PSL3, and it just alternates between LO and RO once it reaches one of these stances.
Mixin it up and Makin the Opponent Say WTF
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hotnikkelz
johNNy blaZe
hahaha
Well, i don't really throw out WL just like that unless i expect to be punished so....probably around 7/10 times i am successful. Even if i'm unsuccessful, i may just do nothing at all, or i'll do WL A, since noone blocks it.
the psl3 GI, guarantees the lightning kick, and LO BK string (the K part can be blocked). There are other options though not guaranteed but useful. Sometimes if i GI'd into LO, then i will psl1 -> LI or i will let LO naturally go to BL so i can do BL KK. If i GId into RO then RO A is free, and i always take the mixups from RO A.
Well, i don't really throw out WL just like that unless i expect to be punished so....probably around 7/10 times i am successful. Even if i'm unsuccessful, i may just do nothing at all, or i'll do WL A, since noone blocks it.
the psl3 GI, guarantees the lightning kick, and LO BK string (the K part can be blocked). There are other options though not guaranteed but useful. Sometimes if i GI'd into LO, then i will psl1 -> LI or i will let LO naturally go to BL so i can do BL KK. If i GId into RO then RO A is free, and i always take the mixups from RO A.
Hot Rod Dave
"Saucy saucy minx"
Sweet. I will definetly play with the psl3 some more.
as far as the WL goes. I can through it out all the time and i do BBBA after that, its my favorite after WL. But I rarely actually get the GI from WL itself. Is that only High verts or soemthing. I dont get it
as far as the WL goes. I can through it out all the time and i do BBBA after that, its my favorite after WL. But I rarely actually get the GI from WL itself. Is that only High verts or soemthing. I dont get it
hotnikkelz
johNNy blaZe
wlel yeah WL BBBA is what we wantt o do everytime if the GI is successful, be careful of throwing it out after no GI though cuz it's dreadfully unsafe. The first B is MUCH safer than the rest, so if they block the B, stop right there.
I do psl3 GI a lot after 3B and 6A on aggressive opponents (my sparring buddies). The good thing too is, that while in the GI loop, you can WL if you sense a vertical coming, which is almost guaranteed if they know that psl3 GIs horizontals :)
I do psl3 GI a lot after 3B and 6A on aggressive opponents (my sparring buddies). The good thing too is, that while in the GI loop, you can WL if you sense a vertical coming, which is almost guaranteed if they know that psl3 GIs horizontals :)
Hot Rod Dave
"Saucy saucy minx"
whats funny is my 8 year old kid discoverd an easy way to get the psl3 out last night. He just held down the right trigger and said "hey dad check this out". i was floored. Then when i started to play with it i found that it works really well right after the 6A. I loved it. Its gonna throw my sparring partner for a loop!! Havent tried it against 3B yet but i do see how that will be useful!
I also discovered the other night that if I do the WL BBBA and it gets totally blocked. I noticed maxi has a very small window for an RO (I think thats the right one). So what happens for me is I will throw out the complete WL BBBA and mash A. its an interupt type swing and you can go on the offensive all over again instead of blocking for your life. it seems to be pretty unsafe as well but i find my opps are still blocking not sure whats coming out next so they eat it most of the time! I also know if you cancel the set after the second B you can get a KK in there. But thats so negative on frames you will get punished more than it will work.
This may sound noob-ish, but i play with the analog stick and use left trigger to block. I never really messed with mapping buttons. But i mapped my rb to A+K. And all the moves that I would rarely use cause it was just to akward on the controller for me are coming out left and right. specially 3A+K. I know it sounds dumb but im all excited. I was beggining to get burned out on maxi, but those 2 little changes have opened up a whole new world for me.
any of you guys map your buttons, or is that kinda scrubsville type stuff?
hotnikkelz
johNNy blaZe
lol, u don't need to map buttons with maxi :p i think some tourneys ban button mapping as well. I use xbox 360 and i do A+K the plain old way, it's pretty simple. If they're not banned however feel free to use them. I won't say it's scrubby though.
The psl3 GI works really well after 6A, and 3B is blocked...but not after 4B (unfortunately). It will GI any fast horizontals like 2As and AAs etc. Pretty useful. Sometimes i do the loop and go to neutral cuz opponent expects me to attack heh. They just stand there watching me.
BTW u should recheck the movelist from time to time, the stuff you mentioned it's all there, but we may tend to forget sometimes, and get surprised. I sometimes reference the movelist myself.
The psl3 GI works really well after 6A, and 3B is blocked...but not after 4B (unfortunately). It will GI any fast horizontals like 2As and AAs etc. Pretty useful. Sometimes i do the loop and go to neutral cuz opponent expects me to attack heh. They just stand there watching me.
BTW u should recheck the movelist from time to time, the stuff you mentioned it's all there, but we may tend to forget sometimes, and get surprised. I sometimes reference the movelist myself.
Plume
[09] Warrior
I think this is more stylish, and that's all that matters!
WL -> BBA. Fully blocked.
Still in stance -> WL again -> GI the opponent's punishment attempt -> BBA, BT B+K. Heheh.
Aqua_Snake
[09] Warrior
I map B+G to the LB and A+K to the RB.
Those are the only buttons together I have trouble hitting on a pad.
Uber1337
[10] Knight
So I've been playing around with RO B over the last couple of weeks, and i must say, i've really come to like it a lot. I like to whore 3B RO A a lot, so against good players, i really have to throw out RO B to keep my opponents from just doing a TC move everytime. The problem is, or at least i used to think the problem was, that at -2 going into RC on block, RO B wasn't very safe.
I used to think RC was Maxi's worst stance, since all of the moves out of it are pretty slow (fastest is !19). I now understand that it is a really great stance when used right. After RO B, Maxi is at -2 going into RC. You can cancel the stance and block anything that is !16 frames or slower, meaning in order for your opponent to punish you, they are gonna have to do something fast. The most common ways that your opponent will punish you is gonna be either a quick low like 2A, a quick high like AA, quick vertical like Amy's 6BB or Sophies 236B, or a quick kick. If your opponent does the quick low, you can use RC B and it will tech jump the attack and CH the opponent, giving free LO B. If your opponent does a quick high (or throw), you can use RC KK:K ,which Full Crouches under the attack CH'ing the opponent. If your opponent uses the quick vertical mid, you can throw out WL to GI the opponent giving free WL BBA BTB+K. If the opponent uses 3K, theres not too much you can do, but thats not to much damage. You might be able to PSL2~BL out of range since the push back from RO B is pretty good.
This mostly works for any move leading to RC with minor disadvantage. By using this mix-up, you can extend Maxi's pressure strings, giving pretty good damage and making your opponent more uncertain on where his opportunities for punishment are. At the very least, it will get your opponent to use less damaging punishers like 3K.
I used to think RC was Maxi's worst stance, since all of the moves out of it are pretty slow (fastest is !19). I now understand that it is a really great stance when used right. After RO B, Maxi is at -2 going into RC. You can cancel the stance and block anything that is !16 frames or slower, meaning in order for your opponent to punish you, they are gonna have to do something fast. The most common ways that your opponent will punish you is gonna be either a quick low like 2A, a quick high like AA, quick vertical like Amy's 6BB or Sophies 236B, or a quick kick. If your opponent does the quick low, you can use RC B and it will tech jump the attack and CH the opponent, giving free LO B. If your opponent does a quick high (or throw), you can use RC KK:K ,which Full Crouches under the attack CH'ing the opponent. If your opponent uses the quick vertical mid, you can throw out WL to GI the opponent giving free WL BBA BTB+K. If the opponent uses 3K, theres not too much you can do, but thats not to much damage. You might be able to PSL2~BL out of range since the push back from RO B is pretty good.
This mostly works for any move leading to RC with minor disadvantage. By using this mix-up, you can extend Maxi's pressure strings, giving pretty good damage and making your opponent more uncertain on where his opportunities for punishment are. At the very least, it will get your opponent to use less damaging punishers like 3K.
Hot Rod Dave
"Saucy saucy minx"
that is pretty nice and i was actually able to do the for the first time last night. 9 out of 10 times if my opp blocks the whole WL bbba they will wait for the last A to hit and just go nuts on me cause they know im really negative on frames. But I pulled that whole thing off with the GI and everything. I give it a 10 for the "o shit" factor.
I to have been messing around with RO. I accidently did a RO A B, twice in a row. I thought hmmm, can i spam that? answer was...sort of. I had to make sure I was close enough to my opponent to make sure the second RO A was close enough to at least be blocked. Cause if it whiffs, its punish maxi time! But I was playing offline and It made my buddies go WTF? Just when my buddies thought they knew every moment that Im interuptable, I threw that out there. And the B out of that is a small stun so follow up is guaranteed. I made them rethink thier whole strategy. I love it!
hotnikkelz
johNNy blaZe
told u so uber :p
There's more to RO B. Stuff like 3K and so on can be PSL5'd, i've avoided many 3Ks like that even the circular ones like Sophie's. Very neat stuff, i like to do it just out of 2A and 2K range, cuz then the opponent has to be very very wary on hwhat they do afterward. They usually don't attack though, and gives me time to do RC psl3 LI even. RO B does very good gauge damage as well and in many cases uninterruptable.
eg BL B (CH), 44AB, 3B on hit
RC rocks :)
All his stances are good, once they're used correctly.
There's more to RO B. Stuff like 3K and so on can be PSL5'd, i've avoided many 3Ks like that even the circular ones like Sophie's. Very neat stuff, i like to do it just out of 2A and 2K range, cuz then the opponent has to be very very wary on hwhat they do afterward. They usually don't attack though, and gives me time to do RC psl3 LI even. RO B does very good gauge damage as well and in many cases uninterruptable.
eg BL B (CH), 44AB, 3B on hit
RC rocks :)
All his stances are good, once they're used correctly.
RedDjinn
Dat Hillbilly
Yo I dont know where to put this or even if you guys care? but after I've been knocking people down ive been doing
236B to fly over them while they are down.... alot of times people will get up or try to hit you just as you are flying over then bam you are BT behind them for the B+K that will usually hit :) pretty cool set up , i thought.... maybe you guys have already tried it, if not thats cool, if you have and you dont like it thats cool too lol just thought i'd throw it out there....
I dont know all this RO , RC BL shit but my maxi can hang with the best of them :) and yes when used correctly all his stances are awesome... Evaision properties are insane... and long as you can guess right maxi has something to deal with whatever they are going to try :)
236B to fly over them while they are down.... alot of times people will get up or try to hit you just as you are flying over then bam you are BT behind them for the B+K that will usually hit :) pretty cool set up , i thought.... maybe you guys have already tried it, if not thats cool, if you have and you dont like it thats cool too lol just thought i'd throw it out there....
I dont know all this RO , RC BL shit but my maxi can hang with the best of them :) and yes when used correctly all his stances are awesome... Evaision properties are insane... and long as you can guess right maxi has something to deal with whatever they are going to try :)
Hot Rod Dave
"Saucy saucy minx"
Thats a nice little "WTF?" move. Im gonna try that shit!! I would assume I would only work once per different player though. If someone falls for that twice, I think they should get the boot...lol.
and yes...i can vouch for red's maxi, he is for sure quite beastly. Nothing like his yoshi though. RO, RC, BL etc are his stances....i.e. Right Outer (RO) Right Cross (RC) Behind Lower (BL) Left inner (LI) WL (wavering light). etc
your like me though. I usually dont know what the stance is called when im in it. I just know what it does when i push the button. All I need is the initiating move then I can work it from there.
and yes...i can vouch for red's maxi, he is for sure quite beastly. Nothing like his yoshi though. RO, RC, BL etc are his stances....i.e. Right Outer (RO) Right Cross (RC) Behind Lower (BL) Left inner (LI) WL (wavering light). etc
your like me though. I usually dont know what the stance is called when im in it. I just know what it does when i push the button. All I need is the initiating move then I can work it from there.
hotnikkelz
johNNy blaZe
haha you guys really need to get that notation down pat, especially u hotrod :p since u post a lot of advice in the arena heh. Help the younglings!
Hot Rod Dave
"Saucy saucy minx"
im trying...did i mess up...what did i do?
RedDjinn
Dat Hillbilly
Lol well JB thats why i stick to the Yoshi forums :) I def know everything about him and all his properly named stances and such... but when it comes to maxi haha i'm lost... I can play the shit out of him though ;) oh and Hot Rod, I have ways around your little super uniterruptable combo haha its so easy too ;) i'll kill it everytime now ;) Also I do it now but I added a little more flavor to it ;) Dorya's seen it lately
Uber1337
[10] Knight
Thats actually kinda funny. I can't really see how anyone good would fall for this more than once, but i'm sure it works great for a nice little surprise. I'll try that next time i play.
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Notation wise, i think what you mean to say is RO A ~ BL B ~ RO..... But yeah, you can't really spam than unless you are near a wall due to distance. I will usually just cancel to block after the first BL B if i'm out in the open. Note that if BL B is blocked, you are at pretty big disadvantage, so careful about throwing out RO A after its blocked.
hotnikkelz
johNNy blaZe
hotrod: u didn't mess up this time hahaha i'm jsut saying for your future posts :p
shelton: :p
uber1337: i'm mod now, so anything u think is worthless or worthwhile or what not in this thread feel free to point em out or whatever. Also i dno't mind you posting your personal combos/tech traps in the threads so i can update first post.
shelton: :p
uber1337: i'm mod now, so anything u think is worthless or worthwhile or what not in this thread feel free to point em out or whatever. Also i dno't mind you posting your personal combos/tech traps in the threads so i can update first post.
Hot Rod Dave
"Saucy saucy minx"
oh really? this i gotta see. yeah theres a few different variations to that move. Lots of people just block that whole thing, but the last 2 hits that you kept falling for i have yet to be interupted on. So....i really wanna check that out. If you see me on xbl, hit me up fo sho!!
RedDjinn
Dat Hillbilly
Well I wont be blocking the whole thing... noticed after 44A,B if I block it I can come up with just an A and ace anything you do... :)
and about my set up its mostly about the thread lol mixing it up making the opponent say WTF? I do it because people think that i messed up when i 236B and fly over them.... but then they get aced by BT B+K 2B+K,B :)
I've only hit it a couple times, but it does seem useful, could mix in G, BT 2K with it to do a low after if you wanted i'm sure... I'm not saying its awesome or that good players would fall for it... lol i'm just saying its something new and fun to try...
oh and edit: iMCF owns maxi :) lol