Lost Swords

Robert_J_King said:
If you found the game disappointing, it's because it was rushed. Point the blame at the developers, not at the game. The game didn't create itself. Anyway, there are 4 Street fighter games and like 2 or 3 versions of dead or alive 5 floating around. A super soulcalibur game isn't a bad thing. I'd rather have that then just straight up wait an eternity for 6.

P.S. That PR quote is old news, most people know (or should know) that already.
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But SCV pissed a lot of people off and I suspect that a Super SCV wouldn't really attract a whole lot of people, as opposed to a complete sequel that re-rights all of SCV's wrongs.
 
Ramus said:
Lang sorry, but no Lighting is a pathetic character, your basic soldier girl fanservice bland personality and the head of Enix clearly had a big creepy fetish on this character model. And FF XII is literally, the Final Fantasy that the fans least liked, to say the least.
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And Yet FFXIII is the 4th best selling mainline FF game and Lightning herself was voted best female character in the franchise. People can't have their own opinions without others telling them that their wrong....Lolz

Ramus said:
Also, please people, LS is a obvious cash cow, the only reason it exist is to give Namco money, and who care at least they are not relaunching the same game for the fourth time, like Street Fighter series, which have the most blind fanbase ever, how in the bloody hell you buy the same repetitive and shallow game over two times.
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Why the hell people buy the expansion for any game? If people like SF4 then they'll buy the expansion to the game they like. People here on this very forum...in this very thread...think it's a good idea for SCV to have a expansion. Are they shallow for "wanting" that?

Looks like we disagree on these points.

Edit: I don't want to derail the thread from talking about LS.
 
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Nyte said:
But SCV pissed a lot of people off and I suspect that a Super SCV wouldn't really attract a whole lot of people, as opposed to a complete sequel that re-rights all of SCV's wrongs.
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A super scv could do just that. Are you SERIOUSLY wanting to twiddle your thumbs and wait for this fabled sequel? I would much rather have something rather than wait an eternity. If unbreakable souls or army of darkness (if the latter is still a thing) isn't a super version or at least something palatable, 8wayrun will start becoming stagnant. Real talk though: if both aren't what we need but they announce/tease a sequel, I could live with that. At least then we'd have speculation to tide us over.
 
Robert_J_King said:
A super scv could do just that. Are you SERIOUSLY wanting to twiddle your thumbs and wait for this fabled sequel? I would much rather have something rather than wait an eternity. If unbreakable souls or army of darkness (if the latter is still a thing) isn't a super version or at least something palatable, 8wayrun will start becoming stagnant. Real talk though: if both aren't what we need but they announce/tease a sequel, I could live with that. At least then we'd have speculation to tide us over.
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I'm almost 50% sure they're going to announce SCVI at E3 this year, or possibly at the TGS. It's been two years and a change in management since SCV. It's time for a comeback.
 
Onyyx said:
I highly doubt we'll see any Soul at E3 this year. Lost Swords just came out, so they'll at least be waiting to survey the general reception.
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LS is a low budget game that probably took very little effort to make. I actually suspect it was mainly used to help fund SCVI.
 
Thaeonblade said:
Under the same train of thought that says, "Casuals aren't real gamers and don't matter" or some crap like that.

In fact, what generally makes someone a casual or a hardcore gamer? My little bit of research led me to believe that there were at least 8 different types of player methods and mindsets. But I guess reducing everything to 2 types makes things easy right?
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I've explained this dozens of times and am not going to do it again. Point is, the casuals are why this is happening. It's (almost) the same thing that happened with Halo 4 by 343 trying to appeal to the casual crowd more, look how well that turned out for them..
 
What the fudge cakes is happening to this thread?!

How many times is this casual vs competitive thing gonna be brought up until someone quashes it!? We hardly need the fanbase to become even more fricking divided ppl! I'm pretty MAD and DISAPPOINTED with the garbage that SC Lost Swords is but I'm not going around and pointing at ppl because that's a waste of precious time and it doesn't do any good for our community!

WHO HERE DIDN'T START OFF AS A CASUAL AT SOME POINT IN THEIR LIFE?! We're all on this site cuz we love this series to death and I know everyone is pretty sick of waiting around just to have their hopes crushed like a rotten grape but still!

What helps this community and fanbase is to support each other! If it's anyone we should be mad, it should be Bamco for BEING STUPIDLY IN LOVE WITH THEIR TEKKEN BABY! But anyway, there's nothing to do besides see how Hoshino is gonna continue this legacy. Voicing our complaints at things like WTF NO RO?! IT'S SINGLE PLAYA?! IT'S JUST A DRESS UP GO YOLO GARBAGE, etc, etc is fine because maybe they'll see that Lost Swords sux and for the love of cactus don't put any of that stuff into any future game.

(>T_T) I'm waiting for the future where casuals can happily fund the game with CaS DLC, enjoy a bit of a good story, have a easy good time just enjoying the small little bits while the big competitive guys go out and rep the game and show how fun and great this unique 3D fighter is.

This site is stagnating not just from the lack of any good news, (and reeling back from sucky news like LS) but also from the behavior of its members. JUST SAY ALL YOU LOVE THE SERIES AND LOVE EACH OTHER! NOW ALL OF YOU GO EAT A CACTUS! I mean... I love you ppl, this site and Soul Calibur! :3

-I love all the SC games (barring Legends and Lost Swords). They've all brought new ppl, new mechanics and it's a series that's always trying its best even though there are bumps in the road. But it's a long road and I hope the end will be a good one. Remember, SCIV was supposed to be the last one but we've lasted this long so let's just pull together and onward.

-Sorry for the wall of text. (>;^_^)
 
I'd play LS just to kill time, there is no harm in that, If I want to play with people SC2HD and SCV are in arms reach...I bounce between TR and Tag2 because...why the fuck not? I don't think people need to make excuses to like/dislike a game.

Personally I don't think LS's development is hindering ProjectSoul to develop another SC game, abet in the initial planing stages of development. They may have been working on a 8th gen title for a while now and barely have anything to show, or maybe will have something to show at E3 or TGS(teaser maybe?) As long as we know that it exist...it would put alot of peoples mind at ease rather than all this speculating. However that's all we got right now.

The honest hard truth is that Tekken most likely has a better chance at showing a game at E3 but if History serves me right, Soul Calibur 4 was the first Namco fighter developed for 7th gen as Tekken DR was just a arcade port with Extras and online, so there is a chance that they'll throw SC a bone and let SC6 test the waters for 8th gen.

Agree or Disagree, I think this is alittle more feasible than a expansion to SCV, I think that wouldn't really do much for anyone outside of the people who really like SCV specifically.
 
Ramus said
Also, please people, LS is a obvious cash cow, the only reason it exist is to give Namco money, and who care at least they are not relaunching the same game for the fourth time, like Street Fighter series, which have the most blind fanbase ever, how in the bloody hell you buy the same repetitive and shallow game over two times.
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LOL
I missed this gem, the usual ignorant point about SF4

Let's see
What SF4 given us with DLC expansions?

Characters:
Guy
Dudley
Ibuki
Cody
Makoto
Dee Jay
T.Hawk
Juri
Adon
Hakan
Yun
Yang
Oni
Evil Ryu
Rolento
Elena
Hugo
Poison
"?" 5th character

To a current total of 19 added characters, number rumored to go up for the (still not announced) PS4 version

New mechanics?
2nd Ultras
WUltras
Red Focus
exRFA
DWU

Other stuff?
Balancement patches through years and years
New modes
New stages

Note: aside SSF4 (wich anyway got a "special price") each update got release at low prices, they are sold as expansions, not omg-lulz-fake-newgame

Meanwhile in Namco
SCV got rushed and get released with cut cast, never bothered do expansion and now we get single playa cuz lose hurt feelingz. We got a rushed game because precious TK was going to born undisturbed.
TK brand get actual attempt of new players bait in TKrev
SC brand try get more dbags money with horrible cas single mode, waterfire attacks and giant purple skeleton (because strong info say we community LOVE that shit)

OK
Sound like SF community is the obvious blind fanbase.
Who want for theyr fav games 19 new characters, mechanichs, balancement patch, fucktons of contents and support for years for mini price, when you can have glorious F2P Lost Shits?

Yeah, sound like far more smart the community that even when the game sell more keep get treated as b-league wierdos by the SH, and still nuthug it in full "be ever nice or say nothing" sheep mantra.
I suggest open a thread on SRK forum to explain them how a community must act to get shit they want, or they will never see a Lost Streetfighters :(
I bet they're dying inside of envy right now
 
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Oh my God Gatsu, did I slap you on your face?
No really, for Christ Sake is this absolute pathetic defensive comportment that half of the Street Fighter fanbase gets when we say something about their precious, boring ass game, that annoys me to death
You know what? I suppose is so freaking nice to throw a bunch of characters selling a game like is whole new experience. Capcom throws balance patches every other year, because guess what, is the amount of time a "new" Street Fighter goes out

Also, what content, you can literally downgrade this game to- "Each character have combos, don't drop the combo." I am so sure it is much better than what we have on SCV, no is actually worse, because is so damn simple, screw if the combo is hard to pull, is still the same freaking thing.

Gatsu said:
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Dude, I love that you of all people, you that should know better, is implying that Namco have the founds to do what Capcom do.
Also, I so sure Capcom listens to its fanbase....money, "Hey....we will slowly put new characters....but you guys have to buy a new disc....because lol."
And, no I don't think that Street Fighter almighty fanbase is jealous, they are way too busy playing this boring game.
 
Simple point, is ever ridicolous see HERE peoples make fun of SF4/SF fanbase talking about expansions, when almost everybody here wanted SCV to get extra stuff and got nothing
I'm both SC fan and SF fan
Even more SC fan

SF4 got he most incredible support/evolution of a game i ever seen in years and years of FG gaming
Meanwhile SCV got treated by Namco in the most ridicolous way i can remember

Still 8wr find SF fanbase "blind", but we should support namco no matter what because somethingsomething

Is not "defensive" on my side. How can list FACTS be defensive?
I've no side.
And i don't find myself "blind", actually i see well enough to wish we (in this case the SC fan me) got the same kind of support.
We SC fans asked a lot to get DLC characters for our rushed cast game. We had not, but meanwhile precious TTT2got FREE DLC characters added to that already huge cast. But hey, not even dem TKs got Lost Shit. We are the true lucky ones after all :)

I enjoy in different ways both SC and SF. More SF but just due better support during time by the SH, no due actual brand preference.
I've no side. Appearently you have one.

Funniest shit is that in all dat SF bashing we forget that SCV itself try hard to get some SF love straight copying EX moves (with same yellow flash and 25meter cost) and Ultras. Basically 2/3 of signature SF4 mechanics

Again tell me how blind is SF fanbase, explain me how being supported in the best way ever seen in the genre can't be compared with the privilege of being SC fans and see Namco give us an unfinished product, despite good selling treat it like inferior in theyr plans, ignore unanimous community request, see us as b-league consumers an throw the brand to wierdos.
Show me the awesomeness of don't have strong director like Ono or Harada, when we can have Daish with pyrrah wig not giving a fuck about SC tradition or a shining future with PR "we have strong infos" Hoshino

And please don't replay the bullshit "SF is boring" card
Gameplay preference has zero relevance here. You prefer one, some dude on SRK like the other, i love both series.
You want talk about blind fanbase, is about wich group of consumers is treated well and wich one don't get anything.
Good luck with that


Poor SF fans, i feel bad for them :(
Lucky for me my 50% SC fanboysm will save me
 
Oh lord, ok shall we go to hell since the doors are open anyway.
Tell me one thing Gatsu,
How hard do you suppose is to, put together a Street Fighter character?
Do you think it is hard? No man, I really really doubt it is, at least if we compare to make a SC, so making a DLC to SC is way harder than to make a new one to Street Fighter or for Tekken for that matter, first because SC have a bloody complex animation, besides is not like we can throw a Chinese guy with a bare chest black pants and shoes, and then pass as a charcater now is it, Gatsu?
Because even the most "cliche" character in SC is still far more intricate than most of the SF cast.
Do you ever paused SC and thought "Damn Ivy's animations are beautiful." you don't make those easily I trust you know, adapting a whole new character in a game that have so many variants is no easy task, I understand why most people can't see, but you??? Hell, you work with this stuff man.

Oh, yah because is so simple to throw a patch in SC, remember the first time SC received several changes? Yah, by the time was really badly received, but now many of those are see as necessary. So don't come speaking aout support, because it is a high price to update a game every once in a while.

Also, the meter system, received heavy criticism, even as of now.

And yes, what is the use of seeing what is wrong, fighting for it, but there is a dear price, now ins't it?

People wanted a complete game, see what would happen if Namco were to realize SC V more than once. But yah poor SC, I bet if we were on the SC V-Version 4 we would already have everything that we wanted.
 
Ramus said:
How hard do you suppose is to, put together a Street Fighter character?
Do you think it is hard? No man, I really really doubt it is.
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Thank you.
I've little time before go outside, now you saved me from long ass reply.

Said that
Most of request was about get back characters, and for that PS will have surely recycled both models and animations a lot, different was if they wanted add total new characters

But again
Being fan of both this for me is not about SF vs SC.
Is about the hilarious irony of see who don't get shit and keep get treated like a bitch from "his" SH call the group that get everything "blind fanbase"

There is some kind of beauty in that paradox, is like see a dude in jail scream at peoples on the streets "ahahaha you're all keep outside, LULZ"

If not a strong director only SC hope is have a strong and clear community.
Here we still are at the point to defend our privileged status of b-league consumers. Lol.
If truly the only opportunity of being a strong unite community is join the sheep herd of "nice or nothing, ever loyal to Namco overlordz", i must decline, i keep my asshole role
 
Le_Bello said:
What funny is that a lot of people who were decrying SCV in the first place now seem confused that we're not getting news about a "real" SC title.

Try being thankful you're getting anything - You're not entitled to it.
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I've minutes then i'm late so i've to make it short, but if you still interested we can talk about it later

In short problem is that in this case we have the wierd situation of a product getting managed bad despite selling well, only due a internal SH opinion about the brand.
And all because being classic stubborn japanese SH they refuse to admit that they're the one that fucked up the brand growth back in SC3 (and as you know i LOVE SC3 for some things), instead is far more easy accuse the brand of being not good enough to be treated as an equal of TK

Add the lack of an Harada that is there to defend his creature with a knife in his teeth, and you have the cocktail
In short, if was fault of the product itself no problem, but here we are "paying the price" of astral bullshit :D

SCV sold well and still lacked of support because somethingsomethingTKcomingsomething
Now that there is no TK around magically there is time/money for Lost Shits that strong infos swear is all we truly want (because we are special) :D

Again, if you want let's talk later this evening, but seriously the thing is more or less all there
 
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Oh I completely agree with you here - Things have gone downhill for sure, and all the internal dev drama hasn't helped anyone and is basically running the series into the ground.

I'm not saying the fanbase should just accept this complacently, by any means, but instead of crying "this is shit" and being done with it, we ought to be more constructive in our criticism, and also be positive about the aspects we actually like.

Harada is always there to take the good with the bad, and is a passionate but fair individual, it's why TK has seen the success it has, and why TK fans are more rewarded. Since SC doesn't seem to have a stable figure like that, we have to become that figure, but as a split fanbase we can't do that.

Instead of hyping up the positive aspects of the game, we're all too busy tearing each other up over the things we dislike. Why would anyone listen to us? Even some of the fans hate the fandom.

LS can be seen, from where I stand at least, as one of two things:

- An obvious attempt to milk the fans.
- A way of giving fans the characters they've pined for.

If it's the former, they should just add more DLC, ranging from CaS parts, to more music, stages etc.

If it's the latter, they should just add them as DLC.

Since they've spent the time to add characters to LS, why wouldn't they make them available to SCV?
I'm sure there must be a reason for it but, who knows? The fact that it's PS exclusive seems to contradict it's "cash-cow" nature, but who the fuck knows?

Either way, if people don't like LS, don't play it? Let the data speak for itself.

Most failed games suffered a lack of focus.
 
Comparing to SF doesn't mean much as SF4 is the most successful fighting game of the last decade. It's no surprise Capcom is still supporting it considering how well it sold. It's like asking why Medal of Honor didn't get a lot of DLC when Call of Duty is.

Considering how little has been added to LS compared to SC5, there's no way they have a full team working on it. Whatever the SC team is working on, it can't be LS. Hopefully Unbreakable Soul is the subtitle for the next proper SC game. In the meantime, people can enjoy LS for what it is, and not think too hard about what it's not.
 
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