Men of the FGC

Sett said:
So basically what I said last page.


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Also you guys have black colleges and universities? If Google is right in its definition than that's a bigger problem than video games. lol
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You are stupid and not worth listening to. That still remains.
 
xyerith said:
really worth the watch. It's comes from an actual feminist, not some social justice warrior shill or whatever.
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Yeah the sexism in video games is silly. Women who don't understand anything will say females in games are too sexy, but then when you look at characters like Xiba looking like Justin Bieber, or Maxi having his 6-pack displayed with his frilly hair, everyone keeps quiet. Sex sells!

Also, as someone who has been raised around video games (I'm 18 and was playing sonic games when the sega genesis was relevant), I don't really feel like I have a warped mind where men are better than all women or that women are purely sex toys. Video games don't have negative effects on children, exposure to bad people and/or environments take care of that. Sure you could say Sonic is safe, but I also played Halo like a champ.
 
Party Wolf said:
Yeah the sexism in video games is silly. People who don't understand anything will say females in games are too sexy, but then when you look at characters like Xiba looking like Justin Bieber, or Maxi having his 6-pack displayed with his frilly hair, everyone keeps quiet. Sex sells!
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Fixed, ppl being both men and women.
 
Gamergate really had its origins in a fake scandal. Which was used to springboard claims of corruption. (Sleeping around for reviews, which didn't happen. Sleeping around for awards which weren't actually given...) Saying it's about ethics in an industry where all info is regulated by the game companies regardless is a joke. There's no valid way to provide "ethical" games journalism short of corporate espionage.

This is like trying to apply high standards to TMZ.
 
Marginal said:
Gamergate really had its origins in a fake scandal. Which was used to springboard claims of corruption. (Sleeping around for reviews, which didn't happen. Sleeping around for awards which weren't actually given...) Saying it's about ethics in an industry where all info is regulated by the game companies regardless is a joke. There's no valid way to provide "ethical" games journalism short of corporate espionage.

This is like trying to apply high standards to TMZ.
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They found other instances of Kotaku being corrupt. And I really doubt you could say all of it isn't true. But at the same time, the corruption and arguments of gamergate are almost entirely female focused. Meaning the number one goal couldn't really be just corruption. Or the guys involved would of been more of a focus. It's a lot of fighting back against mainstream media and their social justice champions like Anita. Both sides have their rights and wrongs. But only one side is making a huge profit by lying, and that's the Anita side.
 
Onyyx said:
Long story short people are only seeing the sides of the story that fit their pre-determined view of it. Everyone can go home now.
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Er, no. The facts are what they are. No reviews exist. No awards were given. That's fact.
 
Onyyx said:
Long story short people are only seeing the sides of the story that fit their pre-determined view of it. Everyone can go home now.
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Your side of the story is that people have sides of the story? Very helpful, leave the thread so people can discuss lol.
 
The most the guy she was involved with did was mention the game in a list of game releases. (The way Kotaku's EiC describes it, the hookup didn't even occur until after the article was published.) Dunno about that random canceled reality show but it doesn't seem like she was getting much coverage about her game there.

GG also says that Zoe slept with someone for an award. An award she didn't win.

The part that annoys me about this GG "ethics" discussion is that they know these points are false and they insist on using them.

Everyone who criticized GG magically doxxing themselves is another "twist" I cannot buy. "Hey internet! Steal my bank accounts please! This will show GG!"

Please people. You cannot be this stupid.

There are valid complaints, but please make them without moronic BS. It only undermines whatever point you're trying to make.

Argue against shit like this

http://kotaku.com/the-real-problem-with-that-controversial-sexy-video-ga-478120280

Not imagined and disproven issues that are only kept around to inflate the rage of a core group of morons.

As to the video's concerns about a feminist agenda driving coverage, I don't think that's a super dangerous thing unless you're a dedicated cell phone gamer.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-10-30-platform-not-gender-drives-gamer-differences-eedar

People making games for consoles are still targeting a platform that's male dominated. They can't really afford to ignore their demographics in order to make clickbait stuff like Polygon's Bayonetta 2 review (seriously, Geis is a known fool) drive their game development.
 
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Marginal said:
The most the guy she was involved with did was mention the game in a list of game releases. (The way Kotaku's EiC describes it, the hookup didn't even occur until after the article was published.) Dunno about that random canceled reality show but it doesn't seem like she was getting much coverage about her game there.

GG also says that Zoe slept with someone for an award. An award she didn't win.

The part that annoys me about this GG "ethics" discussion is that they know these points are false and they insist on using them.

Everyone who criticized GG magically doxxing themselves is another "twist" I cannot buy. "Hey internet! Steal my bank accounts please! This will show GG!"

Please people. You cannot be this stupid.

There are valid complaints, but please make them without moronic BS. It only undermines whatever point you're trying to make.

Argue against shit like this

http://kotaku.com/the-real-problem-with-that-controversial-sexy-video-ga-478120280

Not imagined and disproven issues that are only kept around to inflate the rage of a core group of morons.

As to the video's concerns about a feminist agenda driving coverage, I don't think that's a super dangerous thing unless you're a dedicated cell phone gamer.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-10-30-platform-not-gender-drives-gamer-differences-eedar

People making games for consoles are still targeting a platform that's male dominated. They can't really afford to ignore their demographics in order to make clickbait stuff like Polygon's Bayonetta 2 review (seriously, Geis is a known fool) drive their game development.
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Well even if she didn't win the award, it still doesn't make the situation right. And there is a breach of ethics withing Kotaku which is apparent. I do agree that some of the things from gamer gate are way too conspiracy theory. Like I remember Bubbles strongly believing that Anita death threatened herself and stupid shit like that, that can't be proven.

The two things I think that can be drawn from the situation is the apparent lack of ethics Kotaku has. Also the clear agenda media has for supporting opportunists like Anita. One thing I've always found an issue with personally, is saying there isn't an argument since this feminist push won't directly effect how video games are made. I agree people will always do what's profitable and marketable. But perception and ideology is a powerful tool that shouldn't be overlooked.

Thanks to the modern feminist movement. As a society we tend to mainly look at females as victims. And this effects our everyday life. It's socially acceptable to overlook the struggles of men and mainly focus on the struggles of women. Like that one video you posted. Men are socially the last on our priority list of people to save from a burning building or sinking ship. But we get no thanks for it. This kind of ideology in videogames can be potentially very dangerous. Do we really want gamer culture for men to be even less popular and frowned upon?

:edit: Also, we've seen first hand how crazy feminist ideology can be turned into legislature. Yes means Yes in California is a good example of this. I wouldn't in a million years predicted something like that happening.
 
There are plenty of arguments to be made against corruption and the injection of a political agenda into the already cancerous cesspool of gaming "journalism," but for whatever reason it always turns into a discussion about Quinn or Sarkeesian or whothefuckever. Stop this shit.

You could be talking about how Kotaku and their kin blacklisted Warhorse Studios for not pandering to their new age diversity shit (hurr durr no strong black womyn in medieval Europe, RACIST!!) and now their massive historical RPG project has been deprived of all exposure for months.

You could be talking about how numerous publishers and developers continue to bribe news outlets and reviewers in all sorts of disgusting ways for positive press.

You could be talking about how all of these glorified bloggers are undoing decades of progress and inclusion within the gaming community at large by perpetuating stereotypes and divisive narratives with their "hurr durr gamers are dead" pieces.

You could even talk about how people who have shown support for gamergate (the supposed trolls harassing women according to the narrative being pushed by the media) have received knives and syringes with god knows what delivered to their doorsteps.

The list goes on.

Instead, it's always ZOE QUINN IS A WHORE!! or SARKEESIAN IS AN IDIOT!! You're doing a disservice to your cause.
 
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