Ave
[14] Master
Not blaming her, only justifying why Taki accused her of doing evil things lol
Soul Calibur VI: General discussion
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RyujiSakamoto
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seeing rothion in the flesh with young cass and sophitia only makes their apparent deaths/astral chaos fuckery more sad. Hopefully they avoid the SCV future
wondersophitia
[07] Duelist
Finally finished Cassandra's story.
Did Cassandra do anything in particular to prevent the SCV event? It seems like that her story just play out normally just like I would imagine
Alexandra
Fearless Eyes
I think that bringing in Astral Chaos Fuckery now is to retcon and resolve it so we (hopefully) will get to keep both sisters rather than Sophitia's incestuous demonspawn. Cassandra getting involved before 1590 and Zasalamel's story are enough to prove to me they're trying to avoid revisiting the SCV snafu.
sytus
[14] Master
I think it's kinda poetic from a Greek tragedy POV.
DanteSC3
[14] Master
Theoretically, Cassandra has the knowledge to bring about some sort of change. That is, if anyone believes her. She didn’t do anything in her Soul Chronicle to change anything yet, though, as far as we know. Astral Chaos Cassandra told her what happens in the future, but it remains to be seen what actually she will do to stop it.
Alexandra
Fearless Eyes
Since the Astral Chaos part of her Soul Chronicle occurs before her actual story begins, I would say that it provided Cass with a much more convincing motivation to start pursuing malfested and Soul Edge. The whole "I'm worried about my god-ordained sister who survived a stab wound to the heart" isn't nearly as compelling as "A version of myself from the future/a different dimension warned me that my god-ordained nigh invincible sister is going to die because of her children."
Crimzin
[12] Conqueror
Heniek
[13] Hero
Highroller
[09] Warrior
Cassandra says something unique o to Taki when she wins. But Taki wont.
DanteSC3
[14] Master
She always did get involved before 1590, this is just the first time we’ve seen it in-game, just like Tira, Raphael, Amy, and Zasalamel, The only thing that’s new for her story is the epilogue-prologue. She has received information from the future, much like Zasalamel, but otherwise what she did in the main part of her Soul Chronicle is what she did before, according to her SoulCalibur II bio.
You could say that, but at the same time, in that the Astral Chaos part happened before the main Soul Chronicle, as kind of a gotcha moment, in that Cassandra didn't really act any differently in her proper Soul Chronicle, it can be argued that she hasn't really done anything, is what I was getting at. In the last part of the epilogue-prologue, it says that Cassandra never told anyone, not Taki, not Sophitia, not Rothion, not anyone. If that holds true for the duration up until Algol again, then it can be argued we're in a closed-loop scenario, depending on what time travel methodology you're ascribed to.
It's kind of how I feel about Zasalamel too, while he may wish to live and see what humanity is capable of, I can still see him intervening if he deems their plan unsavory, which may lead to attempting to seal the swords away, or harvest their power, which may awaken Night Terror, which may awaken Algol due to the clashing of energies... history may indeed be doomed to repeat itself. It may not, too, but it's not outside the realm of possibility that it may.
It's kind of how I feel about Zasalamel too, while he may wish to live and see what humanity is capable of, I can still see him intervening if he deems their plan unsavory, which may lead to attempting to seal the swords away, or harvest their power, which may awaken Night Terror, which may awaken Algol due to the clashing of energies... history may indeed be doomed to repeat itself. It may not, too, but it's not outside the realm of possibility that it may.
There's a solution to that.
Kill the crotchspawn.
Or destroy Rothion's nuts.
Cassandra could mother the kids instead of Sophitia, as an alternative. It probably wouldn't happen, but it would be a workaround.
Rusted Blade
[14] Master
There's a bit of confirmation bias in how you phrase that, Dante: she didn’t not do something in her Soul Chronicle to change something, "as far as we know". :) In fact, for all we know, the entirety of her Soul Chronicle, after the prologue presented as an epilogue, could be a change in continuity. It covers exclusively events not previously ever alluded to in a Soulcalibur game. And when Cassie faces her future self, she expressly says that its the first time she's ever picked up a weapon to fight someone. That means at the very least, she took up arms sooner than in the original timeline and her little miniquest to catch up with her sister that forms the basis of the Soul Chronicle could very well be events that never took place in the original timeline (wherein, the first time we hear from her is after she takes off after her sister during the events of SCII). In fact, that's almsot certainly the case, given the Soul Chronicle proper kicks off almost immediately after her encounter with herself--meaning it was very probably the impetus for her leaving to seek out Sophitia in the first place.
Indeed, we know for a fact that at least some events are new or have played out differently, and the story gives us a concrete visual clue about this: Cassandra fights her sister at the conclusion of her Soul Chronicle wearing the same mask that fell from the face of her future self during the epi-prologue. That definitely reflects some kind of psychological animus that Cassandra is struggling with in her inner life: the presence of the mask in that scene is bizarre and glaring until you later learn where it came from, and it definitely wasn't added into the scene by accident. Cassandra is struggling to figure out if she has it in her to do whatever must be done to protect her sister, now that she knows more about what that might entail and the cost it might extract from her personally. Add that in with the very explicit narration at the end of her Soul Chronicle, all the other indications the devs are giving, and the fact that, as a matter external to the story, its pretty clear that they are not going to just repeat the exact same plot for several games running, and I'd say its clear: either Cassandra's story is already proceeding down a unique new tangent, or it will have by the next critical plot beat in the Alexandra narrative.
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This isn't accurate, Dante. Her SCII profile doesn't mention any of what we see in her Soul Chronicle, and the events that are described there are set in 1590.
In the original timeline -- per the sisters' SCII profiles and Cassandra's profile in the "New Legends of Project Soul" book -- Cassandra didn't even learn of her niece and nephew's cursed blood until a few years after they were born, when the children fought over a shard of Soul Edge. That was in 1590, and was the first mention made of Cassandra taking up sword & shield to go on a journey of her own. Her Soul Chronicle, however, has her going on a jaunt in 1586.
EDIT: Somewhat ninja-ed by Rusty.
DanteSC3
[14] Master
I disagree with you guys. Specifically, in Cassandra's SoulCalibur II Bio, it says:
"Seven years earlier" is 1583. "a few years later" is 1586-1587. Therefore, her original bio sets her in this time period being active. It wasn't in a game before, but it was written as such. The difference here is that instead of finding a Soul Edge fragment, she gets her mission quest from her Astral Chaos self. She still stole the holy weapons, and did her business. It's still her first time to pick up a weapon, and it was the holy guidance that allowed her to do so, though in the original history, she wasn't aware of this fact, she didn't communicate with the gods. So while there is more fleshing out, more interaction, more context given, the events are still practically the same.
It was seven years earlier that Cassandra witnessed a mysterious Asian woman
bring Sophitia back and draw out shards of the evil sword out of her sister's
flesh while treating her wounds.
Therefore, when Sophitia disappeared again a few years later, Cassandra was
certain that her sister had left to contend with Soul Edge once more.
One day, after running errands for her family's bakery, Cassandra visited
Sophitia's home. There she saw a familiar metal shard. It was undoubtedly a
fragment of Soul Edge.
Angered by her sister's panicked reaction to the world, Cassandra ran to the
Hephaestus Shrine.
"Why are you doing this to my sister? How can you claim to be an almighty
God? Answer me!" Cassandra screamed.
Her voice reverberated throughout the desolate hallowed grounds. Cassandra
collapsed on the floor, worn out from shouting. It was then that she saw the
metal fragment resonating with the holy sword blessed by Hephaestus.
She realized then that Soul Edge was still alive. But she could not allow her
sister to carry the burden any longer.
Around this time when light began to filter in from the eastern skies, the
holy weapon disappeared from the temple.
bring Sophitia back and draw out shards of the evil sword out of her sister's
flesh while treating her wounds.
Therefore, when Sophitia disappeared again a few years later, Cassandra was
certain that her sister had left to contend with Soul Edge once more.
One day, after running errands for her family's bakery, Cassandra visited
Sophitia's home. There she saw a familiar metal shard. It was undoubtedly a
fragment of Soul Edge.
Angered by her sister's panicked reaction to the world, Cassandra ran to the
Hephaestus Shrine.
"Why are you doing this to my sister? How can you claim to be an almighty
God? Answer me!" Cassandra screamed.
Her voice reverberated throughout the desolate hallowed grounds. Cassandra
collapsed on the floor, worn out from shouting. It was then that she saw the
metal fragment resonating with the holy sword blessed by Hephaestus.
She realized then that Soul Edge was still alive. But she could not allow her
sister to carry the burden any longer.
Around this time when light began to filter in from the eastern skies, the
holy weapon disappeared from the temple.
"Seven years earlier" is 1583. "a few years later" is 1586-1587. Therefore, her original bio sets her in this time period being active. It wasn't in a game before, but it was written as such. The difference here is that instead of finding a Soul Edge fragment, she gets her mission quest from her Astral Chaos self. She still stole the holy weapons, and did her business. It's still her first time to pick up a weapon, and it was the holy guidance that allowed her to do so, though in the original history, she wasn't aware of this fact, she didn't communicate with the gods. So while there is more fleshing out, more interaction, more context given, the events are still practically the same.
SpellcraftQuill
[14] Master
The line from Cassandra to Lucius about everything being about bread to the latter makes me think vaguely of “important to the story” Viola’s lectures to Patty, but with wine. And it’s stated that Lucius taught that POS to bake...
Spartan_363
[09] Warrior
exploding light bulb soundsJust realized that Sophitia fed the evil of soul edge to Pyrrha through her tiddies.....
w..w..wh....what????
Alexandra
Fearless Eyes
Cursed Breast Milk
The profile moves across several time periods. Did you do what I suggested and synthesize the information in the two sisters' profiles? Or synthesize that info with what's in the book? It's all clearly referring to the same events, which indisputably take place in 1590 ...
The occasion on which Cass visits Sophitia's home when the traumatic incident with the shard goes down is after the children were already born and mobile enough to go into a malfested rage. Sophitia is horrified at the realization of what's wrong with her children; and Cass then grabs the shard, runs away to the shrine with it, takes the sword & shield, etc.
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Crimzin
[12] Conqueror
Isn't Cassandra using the original Omega sword and Owl shield a big change?
Also, what happened to those weapons in the original timeline?
Also, what happened to those weapons in the original timeline?
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DanteSC3
[14] Master
Fair enough, and true. Cassandra's profile taken by itself isn't clear, but when you mix it with Sophitia's, it does frame the event as taking place in 1590. Which also ties into Crimzin's question, below. The Owl Shield didn't see use after SoulBlade, since Sophitia already had replaced it with the Elk Shield by SoulCalibur I. Though this does raise an interesting question, however... are there two Omega Swords? And if so, why? Cassandra's sword was differentiated as Digamma Sword starting with SoulCalibur III, though it looks practically identical to the Omega Sword. Kind of a weird discrepancy all of a sudden. I would mostly chalk it up to the fact that Sophitia wasn't supposed to be in SoulCalibur II originally, so she wouldn't also have the Omega Sword in the original version of the game, but SoulCalibur VI is also replicating this, since Sophitia definitely has an Omega Sword, and so too is the one that Cassandra gets at the shrine... but I didn't really mean to get off topic! This is for sure a change, then, in that case. I still move that it doesn't have any strong implications moving forward, unless Cassandra takes some sort of action to prevent the future from happening, though. It remains to be seen.
Kind of yes, kind of no. Cassandra's weapons in SoulCalibur II were the Omega Sword & Nemea Shield. But Sophitia also had the Omega Sword & Elk Shield, so it was a bit... muddled, to say the least. Omega Sword & Owl Shield were Sophitia's weapons in SoulBlade, but were already replaced by Omega Sword & Elk Shield in SoulCalibur I. Cassandra taking the weapons early while Sophitia was out on her quest for SoulCalibur I, then the Elk Shield would be with her, and the Nemea Shield wouldn't have been created yet, so the Owl Shield would be the only one left. Apparently there are multiple Omega Swords, however, otherwise there's a time paradox somewhere.