Rusted Blade
[14] Master
Surely he's just joking? Doesn't TR mostly do MK CaS?
SC Controversial Topics and General Shitposting Thread
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DanteSC3
[14] Master
I’ve seen him rage at Kostas before as well as a gripe at me, so this isn’t the first time that he’s raised these issues about “beating” him or “stealing”, so I’m inclined to take him at his word. He has mostly done Mortal Kombat custom characters as of late, yes, but he has an interest in recreating canon minor characters and such as well. Maybe he’s only been making Mortal Kombat folks because no one else is, so he feels like they’re “his” domain.
I’ve also had it mentioned in passing in a PM from someone else being “intimidated” and “demotivated” by Gatsu’s creations, because they’re so good that they put theirs to shame, so it wouldn’t be like he’s the only one who’s felt that way for that side of it either. I agree that they are works of art, much like some others around here too, but they don’t make me any less proud of my own creations.
I don’t get it myself, but it’s a personal feeling / opinion, not my call to make.
sytus
[14] Master
FUCK ME THOSE ARE IMPRESSIVE
AriesWarlock
[12] Conqueror
Project Bokuho
[14] Master
Heniek
[13] Hero
I'm not really interested in those stories but I took a look on the LuminAbyss one and I'm like... Are you serious? I mean RustedBlade and Sytus gave me very good responses that made me look in some different ways at the topic but this story is something that had absolutely no reason to go public and should stay solely between those three involved.
Crash X
[14] Master
At this point I’m starting to think these guys are trying to join the club in hopes of getting attention.
Heniek
[13] Hero
I'm definitely trying to stray away from such thinking because I know that every case should be considered separately and there can be some really traumatic stuff going on for many people. But story like this makes it hard to not consider that at least some of them really just want to get some attention
AriesWarlock
[12] Conqueror
LuminAbyss dude was grooming a minor and manipulating her emotionally... while she had a boyfriend. Triplegceci was told about it, did almost nothing. And Triplegceci was going to join some project to establish rules of behavior in the FGC (position of power). She admitted she's unfit for that role, and backed down from the project.
This cosplayer accused Noel Brown, one of the old FGC BIG names, of sexual abuse
Noel Brown released his own statements with chat images, apparently, proving she's lying. Haven't read them yet but from the reactions people are accusing Krissy of being a liar.
This cosplayer accused Noel Brown, one of the old FGC BIG names, of sexual abuse
Noel Brown released his own statements with chat images, apparently, proving she's lying. Haven't read them yet but from the reactions people are accusing Krissy of being a liar.
Rusted Blade
[14] Master
I have to go with Aries on this one: what LuminAbyss has admitted to here is fairly disturbing behaviour, nevernind that it involved no physical abuse. What is described in those accounts is textbook grooming behaviour and I have no problem with it being outed into the light of day--especially considering the man has openly admitted it happened. Indeed, not that his comfort level should at all be the focus here, but as someone who seems to have recognized what he had done was wrong, even he seems to agree that this is appropriate (though I don't doubt that he probably also wishes he had made amends long before it got to that point). And I certainly see absolutely nothing in those accounts that would suggest to me that this is all some sort of collection of lies manufactured to get both parties some attention, as has been suggested above. Indeed, given the reputation that is going to stick to LuminAbyss, probably for the rest of his life, as a result of all of this--with substantial consequences for both his professional and private life--it would be a pretty monumentally stupid way to try to get some attention.
Now I can't speak as to the motivation of the other parties in raising the issue at this time, but I can easily see the most likely explanation as being that this is something that has weighed on them for a long time and they were emboldened by the current wastershed moment the FGC is experiencing. Is it something that is going to be best addressed in this manner? Who can say? But I certainly feel that the woman in question here is well within her rights to have decided that this was the right course of action for her, and I think she deserves every benefit of the doubt as to having a good-faith intention in doing so, especially now that the man she accused has admitted to the veracity of her story.
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Heniek
[13] Hero
I do not claim that anyone here lied, nor do I claim that what he did was ok nor I defend him.
How I personally view it is that seven years ago a 20 year old, emotionaly immature guy was invested in a person 5 years younger than himself. That led to the whole situation which ended in him confessing his feelings and the other party cutting off the relationship (and rightly so). Case is closed. If it weren't closed they could simply reach out to him personally after all those years. But because it was made public a guy who could just as well be emotionally conflicted those seven years ago now is lumped inbetween cases of potentially actual sexual abuse/harassment. That is what I don't like about this specific case.
Of course I may be completely wrong and he may had a completely ill intentions from the very start, perhaps they reached him for an apology and he refused and that's why it got public or perhaps it weighted so much that she needed to share it - I dunno.
In the end it's my personal sentiment on that specific case to which I am in no way related anyways so we don't need to dwelve deep into it
Rusted Blade
[14] Master
I get where you are coming from: even if we don't feel comfortable (and in most cases probably should not feel comfortable) in rating which are the worst actors in situations like these, we probably all have at least an abstract notion of an hierarchy of wrongness when it comes to these kinds of cases. But at the end of the day, if one is a twenty-year-old who has confessed intimately romantic feelings to a 15-year-old, they've already crossed a line and I have very little sympathy for them if they get publicly outed over it, no matter how much time has passed: there is no statute of limitation on that kind of creeping, as far as I am concerned. Also, it doesn't seem to me from those accounts that he made that confession and then cut off the relationship, but rather that he made it and the young woman, in a display of self-possession impressive for her age, cut him off. And there are other elements to the story that give some concern if one is familiar with how grooming proceeds towards worse abuses: his asking her to keep their relationship a secret, telling her that she was the only one he could trust with his deepest feelings, generally compartmentalizing their interactions--so it's not unreasonable to send up a flare over this kind of behaviour.
And it does seem that she never got the catharsis she was looking for over the situation, so if she felt she could only voice her story now at a time when she has safety in numbers with regard to the backlash she would have otherwise face, that's reason enough for me not to look twice at the timing. Hell, even if it was just a matter of being reminded of it now at a time when she is able to better process and articulate how used she felt and how concerned in retrospect, that's ample explanation in itself. Again, I know what you mean when you say there is a danger in painting these situations all with the same brush, especially when the revelations fall like dominos in the fashion that they do these days. But I'm just not losing any sleep over a guy who, from all indications, would have probably at least wanted to push things further had things gone a little differently. Whether he would have confronted that darkness in himself before crossing yet another line, we can never know. But his behaviour fits a very well known profile for abusers and I for one am not troubled by people knowing how far he did go. If it scares just one potential abuser away from beginning their own process of grooming, the cost-benefit analysis clearly puts society in the black as a result of her public disclosure.
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AriesWarlock
[12] Conqueror
applicable to recent events
Rusted Blade
[14] Master
Yeah, but I mean if you just never stop talking and just blather on and on about every kind of topic society will ever face, sooner or later you're gonna say something that pans out.
(Hey, I really feel like I am starting to get a handle on this shitposting thing. :D)
FluffyQuack
[14] Master
The situation right now is definitely one big mess. I do think it's a good thing many of these stories are going public, especially if it involves illegal activities (like grooming underage kids) and it would be hard/unlikely for the police to do anything with it. Another benefit of stories going public is that it lets other victims who have dealt with similar things know that they're not alone.
But yeah, there's always the risk that some of these stories are fabrications (sounds like a few of them have been proven to be that case?) which is extremely unfortunate as that wastes people's time and also makes it harder to trust other stories.
And then there are a few stories which seem to be about people just acting shittingly but not doing anything illegal, and I'm not sure if there's much value in those stories being shared publicly. I can see value if someone just wants to vent and share life experiences while keeping all parties involved anonymous, but if they're gonna start pointing fingers and dig up old dirt, then I'm not sure if that has any effect besides creating drama and potentially starting online harassment campaigns (especially the latter is one big possible side effect which could 100% destroy someone's online presence). For instance, is it really beneficial for the world to know that LisaK married DanteSC3 just for money and she secretly planned to divorce her one month later? Maybe it's something they could have settled privately by talking about it. (Okay, that's a weird, silly example, I just don't like being 100% serious with no silly joke added. But you get my point. Hopefully.)
But yeah, there's always the risk that some of these stories are fabrications (sounds like a few of them have been proven to be that case?) which is extremely unfortunate as that wastes people's time and also makes it harder to trust other stories.
And then there are a few stories which seem to be about people just acting shittingly but not doing anything illegal, and I'm not sure if there's much value in those stories being shared publicly. I can see value if someone just wants to vent and share life experiences while keeping all parties involved anonymous, but if they're gonna start pointing fingers and dig up old dirt, then I'm not sure if that has any effect besides creating drama and potentially starting online harassment campaigns (especially the latter is one big possible side effect which could 100% destroy someone's online presence). For instance, is it really beneficial for the world to know that LisaK married DanteSC3 just for money and she secretly planned to divorce her one month later? Maybe it's something they could have settled privately by talking about it. (Okay, that's a weird, silly example, I just don't like being 100% serious with no silly joke added. But you get my point. Hopefully.)
DanteSC3
[14] Master
FluffyQuack
[14] Master
I'm sorry for revealing that story. The world had to know. Let's hope LisaK returns so she can share her version of the story and defend herself.
Being honest, with the obligatory caveat that this is purely by my own assessment, just those of us here (generally reasonable people!) discussing this have already fallen off the wagon on keeping ourselves grounded. To say nothing of what the Twitter minefield does with stuff like this.
When we're using words like "grooming," we're talking about intent -- with a hard implication if not explicit connotation of deliberate ill intent.
None of which is to say there couldn't have been a victim here in a sense of speaking, as there are often unintended consequences to our actions, and it does sound like legitimate emotional distress befell more than one of the folks in this situation. But holy shit, that applies to so many mundane interactions.
Brass tacks: the only notable difference between a 20 year old and a 15 year old is the year of birth on their ID. Emotionally, there's not a difference worth remarking upon. We're not talking about something insidious here. We're talking about somebody catching feelings for their friend's girlfriend, whom they had also become friends with.
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Ukkesh
[13] Hero
Honestly, I don't feel qualified or comfortable talking about this, as most goes over my head. I agree with Tres in that imo, most people, even at 20 aren't fully matured emotionally, barrings few exceptions.
Other than that I'm going to stay quiet on this, most of this goes over my head, and I don't want to say something that could be misinterpreted. I'm just sad that there's so much controversy going on recently. It doesn't exactly paint a good picture of us in the fgc, or really anywhere, even on the forums. All these allegations on so many big names are likely going to end up being used to demonise other people, and probably just gamers in general. It's what the media does. That's all I'm gonna say, I don't think I'm cut out for thinking about this kind of stuff.
Besides, the current times aren't looking good and it's sad. We've lost valuable members of our community a lot recently. It really does make me sad to see everyone go. I, at least, hope the people who are still here will continue to stay. I'll get lonely without you all.
Other than that I'm going to stay quiet on this, most of this goes over my head, and I don't want to say something that could be misinterpreted. I'm just sad that there's so much controversy going on recently. It doesn't exactly paint a good picture of us in the fgc, or really anywhere, even on the forums. All these allegations on so many big names are likely going to end up being used to demonise other people, and probably just gamers in general. It's what the media does. That's all I'm gonna say, I don't think I'm cut out for thinking about this kind of stuff.
Besides, the current times aren't looking good and it's sad. We've lost valuable members of our community a lot recently. It really does make me sad to see everyone go. I, at least, hope the people who are still here will continue to stay. I'll get lonely without you all.
sytus
[14] Master
From my perspective I don't think most people mature until their late twenties. I say that from my own experience of having a deeper understanding of context in things, plus the conversations I had with people around my age and older are also going through the same wisdom transition as me. I also think there are some people who don't mature mentally throughout their entire life.