Abusive moderation on this site

Papy_Danone

Papy_Danone

[09] Warrior
Alright I'm pretty pissed but willing to give it another try before that thread gets closed.

Something_Unique and I come back from a tournament this week end where the Algol/Hilde ban was a pretty hot topic.

Coming back home, SU starts a thread about Hilde with a pretty civil tone. All along the thread he asks for opinions and ignores the mass trolling already happening. The reason he did that is because OBVIOUSLY the discussion is not over especially after what happened during the week end.

Total ? An Hilde player passes by, closes the thread. "duplicate thread, not interesting"

Today I felt like sharing my thought about Algol, pretty much like I did last week end at Jaxel's. I see an Algol thread poping out in the recent discussion and post there in order to avoid being accused of duplicating threads.

http://www.8wayrun.com/f22/do-you-think-algol-is-cheap-t2796/

I beg for opinions about something that bothers me from the start about the dude. The FIRST guy answering after my post says "what u say is pretty interesting, never heard that before".

An Algol player passes by, closes the thread. "already heard".

WHAT THE FUCK ??

What about the first reply proving it wrong ?
Has my post ever been read before closing the thread ?
Wasn't I asking for feedback in a civil way ?

The careless way and disrespect certain moderators handle things in this forum is pretty disgusting. How long do you think it takes people to write their posts, especially when they want to make a point (and are not english on top of that!) ???? More than the 10 seconds it took for the shitty and disrespectful justification you can read here.

It's a forum for god's sake what do you think it is for ?? Where do I go if I wanna talk about certain issues that are far from being solved ? Create another site ?

All of this is a shame hopefully the moderation rules get revised, coz this is really getting out of hand.
 
Papy_Danone said:
Alright I'm pretty pissed but willing to give it another try before that thread gets closed.

Something_Unique and I come back from a tournament this week end where the Algol/Hilde ban was a pretty hot topic.

Coming back home, SU starts a thread about Hilde with a pretty civil tone. All along the thread he asks for opinions and ignores the mass trolling already happening. The reason he did that is because OBVIOUSLY the discussion is not over especially after what happened during the week end.

Total ? An Hilde player passes by, closes the thread. "duplicate thread, not interesting"

Today I felt like sharing my thought about Algol, pretty much like I did last week end at Jaxel's. I see an Algol thread poping out in the recent discussion and post there in order to avoid being accused of duplicating threads.

http://www.8wayrun.com/f22/do-you-think-algol-is-cheap-t2796/

I beg for opinions about something that bothers me from the start about the dude. The FIRST guy answering after my post says "what u say is pretty interesting, never heard that before".

An Algol player passes by, closes the thread. "already heard".

WHAT THE FUCK ??

What about the first reply proving it wrong ?
Has my post ever been read before closing the thread ?
Wasn't I asking for feedback in a civil way ?

The careless way and disrespect certain moderators handle things in this forum is pretty disgusting. How long do you think it takes people to write their posts, especially when they want to make a point (and are not english on top of that!) ???? More than the 10 seconds it took for the shitty and disrespectful justification you can read here.

It's a forum for god's sake what do you think it is for ?? Where do I go if I wanna talk about certain issues that are far from being solved ? Create another site ?

All of this is a shame hopefully the moderation rules get revised, coz this is really getting out of hand.
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back to caliburforums ?
 
WuHT said:
back to caliburforums ?
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If 8wayrun becomes as bad as caliburforum, caliburforum might be willing to share their fate with 8wayrun.
Edit: If it wasn't obvious, I agree with the OP.

Besides, the only things that keep getting repeated over and over are the reasons why these characters are supposedly "fine".
 
"This isn't how Soul Calibur is suppose to be played!" is pretty much the argument. Things are cheap, unfair, overpowered, broke, unbeatable etc in theory fighter land.

I do think there should just be one or two threads open to let people whine / vent about things and let them repeat themselves over and over again just to let it be done.

[edit] Also, things get repeated on both sides of the conversation. Some of the things you consider a game breaking thing (IE bubbles) is a non-issue since others have found counters to said issue. I would say more but my sig pretty much is all that needs to be said when it comes to my edit.
 
Papy_Danone said:
The careless way and disrespect certain moderators handle things in this forum is pretty disgusting. How long do you think it takes people to write their posts, especially when they want to make a point (and are not english on top of that!) ???? More than the 10 seconds it took for the shitty and disrespectful justification you can read here.
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I just thought it would be funny to point out that when I clicked that link CY was the firsy post I saw. His grammar may be the worst on the site, but I'm pretty sure he stills speaks english as first language lol.
 
Ceirnian said:
I do think there should just be one or two threads open to let people whine / vent about things and let them repeat themselves over and over again just to let it be done.
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Disrespect is also what it's about. The whole "it's because you suck" argument is definitely the one thing that gets repeated over and over. Can we restrict that to one thread ? I wish we could...
 
I don't tend to respect points that aren't backed up by facts, or are shown to be disproven and yet are still propped up as truth. Especially after evidence is shown and ignored in favor of emotion. Sometimes I probably troll overboard but eh, what can ya do.
 
Interesting argument for Algol being possible broken. Excellent and well thought out basis for a persuasive piece within that topic.

Though it is clear that moderation on this forum is ridiculous. Somehow I won't be suprised if this one gets locked to.

It really is amazing how people can disregard an argument that has a foundation behind it like yours.

I'm convinced that what this site intended to be has been stripped away by trolls and moderators with no basis for anything besides there own be all end all beliefs/values.

At this point its whatever though. I have chosen to abuse the brokeness to make things easier for myself.
 
WAAAHHHHHHHH MY THREAD THAT IS EXACTLY LIKE 3259735290532709 OTHER THREADS IN THE PAST HAS BEEN CLOSED, I'M MAD!

...is all I'm reading.

We're ALL tired of this debate and many of the mods have determined that "Post-Nats" is when the discussion would be open again for a community standard on whether to ban, or unban certain characters. It's up to the individual tournament runners to decide which characters and rulesets are decided upon for their own venues and gatherings. That's the bottom line.
 
In my opinion, the tier list thread should be closed. It has been done and done and redone...
Also the threads that are anti-whatevercharacter are counter-productive.
 
Papy... again, I dont see the issue. Mods are closing the threads because there are already a dozen other threads that are the EXACT same thing and are still ACTIVE. Now if those other threads were inactive, that would be one thing. But they aren't. Quit bitching.
 
If people try to insult each other just a little bit less then maybe just maybe a good discussion can occur, one that both sides can be pleased with.

I think part of the problem is that people on both sides of the argument get pretty emotional about the whole thing, but for understandable reasons. On one side people get pissed that they train hard and dedicate time but then get launched out the ring so fast that their tournament experience only lasts a matter of minutes. On the other side people(understandably) don't want to lose their main to a ban. So both sides run to the forums and post without thinking much and all that comes out is nonsense(a lot of the time but not all the time).

I do agree that we should be allowed to have a rational conversation and if anything meaningless posts that consist of absolutely nothing constructive can be deleted. I do agree that pointless arguments are... well pointless. But there are some good arguments that go unheard. Personally I don't consider anything in the game to be broke and for the record I am not in favor of outright banning characters, just feels kind of wrong. I do however consider somethings to be unbalanced. Beatable but still heavily unbalanced.

Now with different styles of fighting there are bound to be match ups that lead to someone being at a disadvantage. BUT when just about the whole cast is at such a disadvantage that they can't screw up once on a small stage, that has got to raise concern. Now the idea of using a few select stages only would not ruin anything but it would create some kind of balance. There would still be hundreds who complain about getting ringed out but at least the better players who actually train hard and work on the match up would have a more reasonable chance and not lose it all over one screw up.
 
The reasons you stated as to why Algol is broken are somewhat absurd, and they're things that plenty of other characters have as well. You don't want him banned for those reasons, you use those to back up your desire to ban him because of his bubbles. BB is nothing broken. 1A is nothing broken. Sure, they are good, but if Mitsurugi had these same attacks, nobody would really think much of it. Setsuka's 1A: A: A is similar in speed and punishability to Algol's 1A, but it does much more damage and it is all natural combo on regular hit. People just try to find extra reasons that could help support their ban argument, when in reality the character's only "problem" is one simple aspect of the character's movelist. Amy has plenty of shit that could warrant a ban, but someone would only use these moves as reasons for a ban if she also had bubbles or a doom combo. There are ways around bubbles; they can all be stepped, they can be impacted, and they are all reset after a throw is performed.

Also, a nice example of a site that doesn't bother closing its ban discussion topics is Smash Boards. BAN META KNIGHT!

/edit/ Forgot to mention that Algol's phenomenal backstep is countered by the fact that he has a shit stepping speed.
 
not reading enough of the threads on this site i can't comment on to what exists and what doesn't exist but if people are trying to create productive discussions then it should be handled with a bit of respect. now having modded on my fair share of forums the best thing to do if someone starts a new thread for a topic that already exists and has a valid reason to do so then it is a mods duty to point that person towards that thread, give them time to see the already existing thread and then delete it. while i am not familiar with how these current threads have been handled it is important for mods to remember that their job is to keep the forums clean and direct users to the proper areas for the discussion they wish to have. i for one would not want to see that holier then thou sort of thing that was prevalent on caliburforums and if mods are acting this way then their modship should be in question.
 
Jaxel said:
Papy... again, I dont see the issue. Mods are closing the threads because there are already a dozen other threads that are the EXACT same thing and are still ACTIVE. Now if those other threads were inactive, that would be one thing. But they aren't. Quit bitching.
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No at all. Mods are closing a thread that's been opened for days when a question arises and the discussion is still active and pending. And I chose to post in this thread BECAUSE it was the one active !

MAILBOXARSON99: you stopped reading too early. The enumeration of the moves making Algol strong was not my main point, I was simply replying to someone about it.

Anyways, this is a thread about moderation and I'm stating what I call abusive: arbitrary closing of active threads of which content is still relevant to some members of the forum.

Neopopulous said:
if someone starts a new thread for a topic that already exists and has a valid reason to do so then it is a mods duty to point that person towards that thread, give them time to see the already existing thread and then delete it.
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Neo that's exactly what should have happened, and this is also why I think the closings of the aforementioned threads have not been motivated by the mods' "professionalism".
 
Papy_Danone said:
No at all. Mods are closing a thread that's been opened for days when a question arises and the discussion is still active and pending. And I chose to post in this thread BECAUSE it was the one active !

MAILBOXARSON99: you stopped reading too early. The enumeration of the moves making Algol strong was not my main point, I was simply replying to someone about it.

Anyways, this is a thread about moderation and I'm stating what I call abusive: arbitrary closing of active threads of which content is still relevant to some members of the forum.



Neo that's exactly what should have happened, and this is also why I think the closings of the aforementioned threads have not been motivated by the mods' "professionalism".
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papy - just let this game go to where SC3 went...thats when the real fun begins



Fuzion - "don't we have rules like the 3-second rule in basketball, traveling, backcourt violations, offsides in soccer, no biting or eye gouging in UFC, pass interference in football, etc. etc. for a reason? Were those rules implemented just to appease a "bunch of whiners" too? After all, you have teeth in the octagon, so it's part of the game. Why ban biting? I've got 2 arms so why dribble when I can just carry the ball whenever I want. "Just play the game!" right? I think some people have a problem admitting that adding rules and restrictions to a competition in the right places ENHANCES the game.."
 
I didn't play SC3 competitively but based on what I've heard, I'd really hate for SC4 to end up like that. At the moment there are clearly issues but it's completely understandable that characters cant be banned or unbanned since regionals have started. But it really isn't too late have slight rule changes in hope of balancing the competition without hadicaping players.

Leaving things as they are could damage the community. I mean even if there's a patch after Nats and Evo that completely balances the game or a rule change that pleases everyone it still can't repair the damage caused by letting issues go on too long. Even if most who leave are "scrubs" it's better to have a community of 2000 players but only 500 good players then a community that has 400 players and 200 good players. Numbers are a good thing for competitive gaming.

I actually think that members being told to move the discussion to a pre-existing thread is the right thing to do. And even though banning characters is out for now, slight rule changes should still be on the table and we should be allowed to talk about it.
 
I want to chime in that I also find the moderators generally abusive. They lock valid discussions as soon as one troll intrudes, and they always post their own sanctimonious last word.
 
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