Argument In Favor of Lizardman (SCVI)

Nyte

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I have more info but didn't want to fill the Roster Speculation Thread with the arguments this will inevitably create once more. So I'm offloading it to its own topic.

Here, I'm arguing Lizardman's inclusion in Soulcalibur VI's roster, as there is a growing contingent of fans have been arguing that the Lizardman, as in Aeon Calcos, won't be in the game and would just be a story-exclusive CAS character. Here's how he's favored.

For one, I greatly increased the size of the image to allow a closer look at Lizardman featured in the artwork.

Let's begin.

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Argument:

Lizardman holds the sword with his left hand, just as he's known to do in later games. The argument against him was that this image, which shows a custom Lizardman wielding an ax in the manner of Sophitia, suggests that the actual Lizardman isn't in, and instead his weapons were given to Sophitia as a bonus.

Except that's not it. Lizardman here is seen wielding a sword with his left hand, the exact counter-argument as to why he wouldn't be included. Furthermore, his sword larger than Sophitia's. There's no way she could use a sword that size like that. For comparison, see here and here. Yeah, there's a huge difference in their blades.

Let's go further in the styles. Sophitia's style is distinctly girly, and it doesn't even fit a male character let alone a literal mutated lizard who favors animalistic and brutal moves. I mean, I can't see Lizardman fighting like this. Furthermore, we have custom lizardmen, and it would really suck if our only shield and sword option was the girly style. Lizardman could easily differ despite having a similar base, with less girly moves and more animalistic ones such as the crawl stance, prowling, pouncing, biting, and just general brutality. You could even integrate some of his SCV Aeon moves like having him shoot fire, hell even integrate Patroklos' moves since he's not in. Oh, and Lizardman isn't exactly blessed, so it's hard to imagine him summoning electricity in his CE, and it doesn't fit at all.

Finally, let's make out his appearance in this image. The exact reason I increased the size was so that we could get a closer look despite how obscured it is. And behold what's above. It's different from his original Soulcalibur appearance, just like how everyone else got a revamp. Compare his appearance in SCI to that picture above. I can already tell the differences despite the obscurity. Just from comparing them, I can see that Lizardman is:

- Bulkier to match his later appearances.
- Has armor that's a different shape than the original (including spiky fins on his back).
- Wields his sword with his left hand matching his later appearances like how Nightmare, Yoshimitsu and Tira got their styles changed this way. Again, as I repeat.
- He (might have) red eyes based on how prominent they are (even more than Nightmare).

The arguments people have used against Lizardman are (with my answer next to it):

- Having the lizardman as a selectable race makes him non-unique and redundant. Because Aeon and the generic lizardmen totally haven't co-existed in the lore or anything.
- Having another shield and sword user would be too much, and lower Cassandra's chances. Because we totally never had 3 S&S users that are distinct before...
- He has no real role in the story and could easily be cut. He's kind of one of Nightmare's top followers alongside Ivy and Astaroth and has been portrayed as such in official art promoting the game.
- He's not popular enough to justify putting in the game. Well, he's kind of a series staple and liked because he's the Lizardman. If you combine his votes in the popularity poll with Aeon (both being the exact same character with separate styles), he would have 128 votes. Just below Astaroth.
- His gameplay can be easily filled by Sophitia, and the custom race can easily take his place. Uh yeah, I can totally see a fearsome lizard monster fighting like a girl.

Now, for all you people so convinced that he's not in after reading all of this, make your argument and make it count.

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As long as they include the chicken leg as a weapon I am indifferent to which lizardman I might be playing with.
 
Also, another note: Everyone else in that picture is portrayed with their redesign, most obviously Astaroth with his massive spikes. So why would this not apply to Lizardman?

Just putting it out there.
 
When I saw the E3 story trailer I was thinking Lizardman(Aeon) might be playable in SCVI. Then the ESRB rating said spears indicating Seong Mi-na, but wasn't sure. When Mi-na got confirmed at EVO 2018, I thought he wouldn't be playable because the long name 2 lines above Nightmare in the Soul Chronicle. It would either be Seong Mi-na or Lizardman. Recently, Tira was announced as DLC and I was thinking about the trailer with a picture of him being a sword & shield character again. In the picture he is holding a shield in his right hand like he did in SCIII & IV and a sword in his left. The Lizardman in the Libra of Souls trailer was just a CaS with Sophitia's style with an axe instead of a sword. Now I think Aeon the Lizardman might be a bonus character in SCVI's base roster.
 
A "bonus" character with a distinct and updated appearance/fighting style? That makes no sense.
 
He has no story potential. He wanders around and growls at people. We have one of those already with Voldo. We don't need two.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if they showed us a CaS lizardperson with Sophi's style on purpose just to keep us guessing.

So that the relief/joy is bigger when The Lizardman is finally revealed.

I also want his name by the health bar to be exactly that:

"The Lizardman" , to further differentiate him from random lizardmen xD
He has no story potential. He wanders around and growls at people. We have one of those already with Voldo. We don't need two.
Speak for yourself.
I definitely need Lizardman.
Also since when does story potential really matter in fighting games?

If Namco has the slightest clue how to make customers happy, they should know that The real Lizardman would be great, while CaS lizardman with Sophi's style would just piss me off, and i'm guessing here, but i think 90% of The Lizardman's fans too.
Probably even more so than not having any lizardman at all.
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if they showed us a CaS lizardperson with Sophi's style on purpose just to keep us guessing.

So that the relief/joy is bigger when The Lizardman is finally revealed.

I also want his name by the health bar to be exactly that:

"The Lizardman" , to further differentiate him from random lizardmen xD

Speak for yourself.
I definitely need Lizardman.
Also since when does story potential really matter in fighting games?

If Namco has the slightest clue how to make customers happy, they should know that The real Lizardman would be great, while CaS lizardman with Sophi's style would just piss me off, and i'm guessing here, but i think 90% of The Lizardman's fans too.
Probably even more so than not having any lizardman at all.


He might be called Aeon because we all now that's more different that being called Lizardman.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if they showed us a CaS lizardperson with Sophi's style on purpose just to keep us guessing.

So that the relief/joy is bigger when The Lizardman is finally revealed.

I also want his name by the health bar to be exactly that:

"The Lizardman" , to further differentiate him from random lizardmen xD

Speak for yourself.
I definitely need Lizardman.
Also since when does story potential really matter in fighting games?

If Namco has the slightest clue how to make customers happy, they should know that The real Lizardman would be great, while CaS lizardman with Sophi's style would just piss me off, and i'm guessing here, but i think 90% of The Lizardman's fans too.
Probably even more so than not having any lizardman at all.
You guys don't really care whether he has a sword and shield a axe and shield or two axes. He has no special style anymore. So it's not his style that matters. So it must be the character. So what about his character makes him stand out over any other lizardman? Nothing. Make a more lizardy CaS style sure. No problem there. But as an individual he adds nothing and has no real story to add to story mode. He growls same as every other lizardman. It's all he does ever is growl and fight. Someone might comment on his lizardyness but that's it. That genetic response can be applied to any lizardman.
 
@Ardenwolf To me it's all about his Lizardiness and his animalistic fighting style:
Less fancy and controlled than the Alexandras.
More raw and brutal.
Throws that involve biting or clawing at the opponent with his hind legs.
Crawl stance.
That kind of stuff.

It doesn't matter overly much to me, if he has sword and shield or whatever, although axe(s) could fit brutal/raw fighting style better.

I would be kind of okay with a CaS lizardman having his unique fighting style.
But i'd like him being a unique character more.
That is just my personal preference though.

He has a bit of story, being turned into a Lizard by Ares(?) and minioning for Soul Edge.
That could be expanded on, but is not important to me.

But Lizardman being a CaS with an Alexandra style would be an absolute NO GO in my opinion.
 
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I want Lizardman in the game, but with only likely 6 slots max left in the base game, I would rather have other characters in there, and reserve Lizardman for DLC.

I would also prefer if Lizardman didn't have Sword and shield, but had something like Double Axe or even Sword+Axe or Sword+Dagger as is seen in the right picture.

Heck, maybe the new Lizardman will be Groh's father. :sc5aon1:
 
He has no story potential. He wanders around and growls at people. We have one of those already with Voldo. We don't need two.

But he does have story potential since the game covers the events after Soul Calibur 1. Once Soul Edge is shattered in 1586 he'll be released from his brainwashing and go on a quest to find some way to return to human form. And, unless things change, he'll lose hope, curse the god who failed to save him from the evil seed (heaven forbid he find out Talim's wind god saved her) and toss aside his Hephaestus granted sword and shield, which is why him having those weapons is important.
 
I want Lizardman in the game, but with only likely 6 slots max left in the base game, I would rather have other characters in there, and reserve Lizardman for DLC.

I would also prefer if Lizardman didn't have Sword and shield, but had something like Double Axe or even Sword+Axe or Sword+Dagger as is seen in the right picture.

Heck, maybe the new Lizardman will be Groh's father. :sc5aon1:
Why reserve Lizardman for DLC when he's in the story and could likely be fought? That would be shady as hell.
 
Why reserve Lizardman for DLC when he's in the story and could likely be fought? That would be shady as hell.

I agree because Day 1 DLC isn't cool. Even if Lizardman was the Day 1 DLC instead of Tira it would still create bad buzz and it wouldn't make sense to make a character that has a role in the main story mode to be a DLC character when they can fought with in the main story itself.
 
I’m not surprised at some of the controversy that is already going on in this thread. All this over a lizard that wields a sword and a shield in a fighting game.

While I would like muh Aeon/Lizardman (call him whatever you want), it wouldn’t affect me greatly if he wasn’t included in the base roster. After all there is always DLC, kinda like what they have with Tira rn.

However, it seems like no matter what Namco decides to do with this character, at least one half of this place is going to be triggered about it as if it’s like the Soulcalipocalypse is going to happen. Anything to shake some salt across the forums I suppose. Stay classy 8WR.
 
Why reserve Lizardman for DLC when he's in the story and could likely be fought? That would be shady as hell.

Uh, since when was he released and said to be in the main story? Just because there are hand-drawn images of him? Am I missing something here?

I mean I think there's a good chance he will be in the main story and will be a playable base character, but based on what we know so far, I don't see why they couldn't put him as DLC in a way that didn't seem scummy.
 
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