Balance Patch Community Vote

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ShenOu said:
And instead I get an 18 year old punk kid who doesn't know me and probably lives halfway across the fucking world from me telling me that I say the "Stupidest thing" he's ever heard and I should ask myself if this game "truly matters to me". That is the reason why I do not discuss shit on these forums.
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Relax. This wasn't directed as an attack toward you, I just used you as an example. I said for everybody to ask themselves that, because of other things like people responding to every answer, you know, stuff like that. People on the forum appear harsher than they really are. The fear is understandable, and I understand why you have it, but I still think it's completely unnecessary. I'm not being a punk, I'm being realistic, because someone worked their ass off trying to put this poll together for all of us, so none of us had to do any of the work ourselves, and, even beyond just you, the outcome has been anything but in the name of balance.

I wasn't telling YOU, to question yourself, I was telling everybody else to. You admitted what your reason was, and I think that's respectable. I was questioning everybody else with the same reason as you. As I said, I was thankful for you admitting your reasoning.
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Slade said:
3. Poison dart stun made Natsu's damage and oki off every knockdown completely retarded.
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Yeah no kidding. And gave her certain wall combos that are just...
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Kalas said:
I've responded to ShenOu's quote in the Leixia forum.

Your profile's blocked, and I can't find which post you are referring to. Which are you referring to?
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I'm only gonna comment on the things that I feel truly matter, which are very few.

Universal 30% damage reduction of all moves, including grabs and CE's.

Reduce wall stuns so that shit like NM's X3 4KK can't happen.

Increase combo damage scaling so that each hit does less and less damage, similar to how it was in sc4.

Give us back shakable stuns.

Reduce +frames on JG by 25%.

Viola.... Remove her from sc5 entirely, permanently. Or just ban her from tournaments. (that last line was meant to be a joke). Hey, it's not like characters haven't been banned before, right?

I'm sorry for not using the template. I don't expect my opinions to matter anyway, I just wanted to get them off my chest so to speak. Honestly, trying to follow the template gave me a headache so I gave up, not to mention it would be mostly empty lines anyway :)
 
SYSTEM CHANGES:

1 A
2 NO
3 NO
4 NO

CHARACTER CHANGES

5 NO
6 A
7 C
8 A
9 NO
10 NO
11 A
12 B
13 A
14 A
15 NO
16 A
17 C
18 C
19 A
20 B
21 A
22 NO
23 NO
24 A
25 NO
26 NO
27 NO
28 NO
29 C
30 A
31 A
32 A
33 A
34 A
35 A
36 A
37 NO
38 B
39 A
40 B
41 B
42 B
43 A and B
44 B
45 NO
46 A
47 A
48 B
49 A
50 B
51 NO
52 A and B
53 A
54 A and B
55 A
56 NO
57 A
58 A
59 A
60 B
61 A
62 A
63 NO
64 A
65 NO
66 A and D
 
I decided to vote in the end, but I do want to say that this whole process has been really disheartening. Many SAs are filled with arguments, nonsense, trivial information, wrong information, irrelevant information; many votes appear completely self-interested and devoid of any other logic; there are too many options, and many too vague while others are too specific.

Which leads me to predict that the outcome of this poll will be nothing but a mess of uninformed guesses on the part of a disparate community as to how to fix the game / buff their characters. Of course I may be wrong. The sheer number of voters may even out the problems I'm seeing. I may just be misunderstanding the considered opinions of many.

My main vote goes to:

1. Don't touch the game. I agree with Ramon basically. And if we are gonna ask for changes as a community, wait 3-6 months by which time, hopefully, communities will have at least some consensus as to what is too good / too weak.

2. If that fails and we desperately need to contact Namco, whether because of
a) keeping the community relationship going (to show them that PS are still important and that SC is still a valuable brand), or
b) to keep many top players from leaving the game (as many are apparently threatening to do)
then I'd just ask them to either buff a few of the weaker characters, or nerf some of the brain-dead moves (those attacks with multiple strong properties and/or applications).

But anyway vote follows

System Changes:
1. -
2. NO
3. bc
4. NO
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Alpha Patroklos
5. NO
6. c
7. a
8. NO

Aeon
9. NO
10. -
11. -

Algol
12. -
13. a
14. -

Astaroth
15. -
16. -
17. NO

Cervantes
18. bc
19. NO
20. b
21. -

Dampierre
22. b
23. -

Ezio
24. -
25. -
26. -

Hilde
27. a
28. NO

Ivy
29. b
30. -
31. NO

Leixia
32. NO
33. a
34. -
35. a

Maxi
36. NO
37. -

Mitsurugi
38. a
39. cd

Natsu
40. NO
41. -
42. NO

Nightmare
43. NO

Patrokolos
44. ab
45. NO
46. a

Pyrrha
47. -
48. NH damage is 85, no need for CH?

Pyrrha Omega
49. -
50. NO
51. NO

Raphael
52. -
53. -

Siegfried
54. -
55. a

Tira
56. -
57. -
58. -

Viola
59. a (only 6B+K)
60. NO
61. -

Voldo
62. -
63. NO

Xiba
64. NO

Yoshimitsu
65. -

ZWEI
66. -
 
SYSTEM CHANGES:

1 b
2 b
3 NO
4 NO

CHARACTER CHANGES

5 NO (only 44B+K BE)
6 b
7 NO
8 NO
9 NO
10 NO
11 NO
12 a
13 a
14 a
15 NO
16 a
17 NO
18 d
19 NO
20 NO
21 NO
22 b
23 NO
24 NO
25 a
26 NO
27 NO
28 NO
29 NO
30 NO
31 NO
32 NO
33 NO
34 a
35 NO
36 NO
37 NO
38 b
39 a b d
40 NO
41 a
42 NO
43 a
44 b
45 NO
46 a (A little bit only)
47 NO
48 NO
49 NO
50 NO
51 NO
52 b (Mainly Prep K)
53 NO
54 b
55 a
56 NO
57 a
58 NO
59 b
60 NO
61 a (Remove option to HIT CONFIRM)
62 NO
63 NO
64 NO
65 NO
66 NO
 
Number plus a yes or no = no or yes to all proposed.

1. No
2. No
3. No
4. No
5. No
6. No
7. No
8. No
9. No
10. Yes
11. Yes
12. No
13. No
14. No
15. No
16. No
17. No
18. No
19. No
20. No
21. No
22. No
23. No
24. Yes
25. Yes
26. No
27. Yes
28. No
29. No
30. No
31. No
32. Yes
33. No
34. No
35. No
36. Yes
37. No
38. Yes
39. No
40. Yes
41. Yes
42. Yes
43. Yes
44. No
45. No
46. No
47. bc
48. Yes
49.ac
50. a
51. No
52. Yes
53. No
54. b
55. No
56. No
57. No
58. Yes
59. c
60. Yes
61. Yes
62. Yes
63. No
64. No
65. Yes
66. a
 
I've decided to finally vote so here they are in the spoiler. I put a dash on the ones I'm undecided about.
SYSTEM CHANGES:

1. B
2. -
3. No
4. -

CHARACTER CHANGES

5. NO
6. YES
7. NO
8. -
9. -
10. -
11. -
12. A
13. -
14. -
15. YES
16. YES
17. NO
18. YES
19. A
20. B
21. NO
22. -
23. -
24. YES
25. -
26. -
27. A
28. NO
29. NO
30. -
31. -
32. -
33. YES
34. YES
35. -
36. YES
37. -
38. YES
39. YES
40. YES
41. B
42. -
43. NO
44. A and B
45. YES
46. YES
47. YES
48. YES
49. A and C
50. A
51. NO
52. YES
53. YES
54. YES
55. YES
56. YES
57. -
58. YES
59. A and C
60. YES
61. YES
62. YES
63. NO
64. YES
65. YES
66. A and B
 
Not that I am anywhere near tournament level.. but still, my vote:
SYSTEM CHANGES:

1 b
2 a
3 c
4 NO

CHARACTER CHANGES

5 -
6 b
7 c
8 -

9 a
10 a
11 a

12 a
13 a
14 NO

15 a
16 a
17 a

18 b
19 b
20 -
21 -

22 -
23 -
24 -
25 -
26 -

27 a
28 NO

29 NO
30 a
31 a

32 a
33 -
34 -
35 -

36 a
37 b

38 a
39 a

40 b
41 b
42 b

43 b

44 b
45 a
46 a

47 -
48 -

49 a
50 a
51 a

52 a,b
53 a

54 b
55 -

56 -
57 -
58 a

59 a
60 a
61 -

62 a
63 a

64 b

65 -

66 a,b,d
 
well, here is my answer, in spoiler below. I really appreciate what you are doing for the community, Belial, thank you.
But honestly, the list of changes presented here is not very specific or complete. There is a point for fixing Sieg's or Voldo's glitches but there is none about Viola's numerous orb glitches or Hilde's B+K nearly never connecting for an air throw. Also options for Viola's general changes are very strange. Heavy-hitting moves? What heavy hitting moves? The only heavy hitting move she has is 44A(BE) and i could agree with reducing its damage, but all other moves are ok. In my answer i picked "prevent multiple BEs in combos" but thats not exactly what i have in mind: i would rather see 6A+B on airborne not allowing to combo and damage scaling increased. Sry im talking about Viola only but she is my main so she is the only char i know well enough to be sure about what i say.
Never mind, i believe it was hard enough to compile even that limited list. Thanks for the effort! :)

SYSTEM CHANGES:

1 NO
2 NO
3 ab
4 b

CHARACTER CHAGES

5
6 ab
7 c
8 b
9
10 a
11
12 ab
13 b
14
15
16 a
17 a
18 bd
19 ab
20 b
21 a
22
23
24
25 a
26 a
27 a
28 NO
29 b
30 a
31 NO
32 a
33 a
34
35 NO
36 NO
37 a
38 ab
39 acd
40 b
41 a
42 ab
43 ab
44 b
45 a
46 a
47 NO
48 a
49 bc
50 NO
51 NO
52
53
54 b
55 a
56
57
58 a
59 b
60 NO
61 NO
62 a
63
64
65
66
 
YES PLEASE fix Seig's random whiffing, good lord the infinite frustration of watching moves miss that shouldn't of and getting punished for it. A further expansion of his fixes should include:
a) All around damage buff, Seig's just too slow and unsafe to be doing that little of damage, especially when they are still faster characters that do more damage.
OR)

b) Faster and safer stance transitions.

They need to make up their mind on whether or not Seig is a risk reward or a turtle fighter, they shouldn't pick the middle ground.
 
System Changes:
1. NO
2. NO
3. NO
4. A, B

Character Changes:

Alpha Patroklos
5. A
6. A
7. A
8. A

Aeon
9. A
10. A
11. NO

Algol
12. A
13. A
14. NO

Astaroth
15. NO
16. NO
17. NO

Cervantes
18. A
19. NO
20. NO
21. NO

Dampierre
22. NO
23. NO

Ezio
24. A
25. A
26. A

Hilde
27. NO
28. NO

Ivy
29. NO
30. NO
31. A

Leixia
32. NO
33. NO
34. A
35. A

Maxi
36. A
37. NO

Mitsurugi
38. NO
39. D

Natsu
40. NO
41. B
42. C

Nightmare
43. A

Patrokolos
44. NO
45. A
46. A

Pyrrha
47. NO
48. A

Pyrrha Omega
49. B
50. NO
51. NO

Raphael
52. Hell YES, A and B
53. A

Siegfried
54. A and B
55. A

Tira
56. NO
57. NO
58. A

Viola
59. A
60. A
61. NO

Voldo
62. A
63. NO

Xiba
64. A

Yoshimitsu
65. NO

ZWEI
66. B and C
 
This garbage thread should be closed and erased because Shining Decopon won EVO with Tira and adapted to the patch changes proving that this is a great balance game, no one is bad it's how you use them, and no one is broken.
Patch 1.04 is going to be fixing broken stuff.
 
aside the fact that the same person that opened the thread said we would see some crazy Tira stuff ._.

In the poll you don t see requests to buff tira (well 2 nerfs and 1 boost) so this poll still makes sense as pre evo (<= i don t agree with many things of it but its not due to evo).
 
Somehow I just noticed this thread now.

While I appreciate that this thread was made with good intentions, I would never trust the community, even most top players, with balancing the game.

Too much bias and uninformed decisions come out of it.

Just let Project Soul do their job. They've done a damn good job so far with SCV. The community's job should be more towards reporting glitches and broken things rather than balancing.
 
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