Can I kill you now...please?? Tira! :D SCV

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^ She does that move (GS 2A+B) in JS (only in SC4).
It has a different input though.
It's JS 1aB (very quick).
 
Not sure if this has been posted yet...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31ps8JFgyss

***Lots of K shenanigans
***Seems that Gloomy can now do JS 66B, which someone stated earlier, hits grounded now.
***CH GS 66K doesn't seem to cause self damage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQxSCn5lRmI

Good Vid!
***Disappointed to see 3A return, I never liked that attack
***Tira has a new, FAST low, looks similar to 22/88K
***Her CE or "Super Move" seems to track, this is solid
***LOTS of whiffed JS B+K, I really wanted to see it in action
***6A+B UB almost hits
***33K seems to have been buffed
***My favorite part: GS 66A CAUSES STUN!!!
 
Tira's CE is definitely cool, but if that's her ONLY chance to win, she's not going to be any better than in IV. You should be able to win without using it.

ImmortalxDragon said:
I want tira to play exactly the same as she did in sc4. All I want is to apply the new brave edge moves and CE. The only thing I can say I would want changed is her frames. Other than that I would want her the same.
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GAH!! DISLIKE!! DISLIKE!!!!

TiraLoveSlave said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQxSCn5lRmI
***My favorite part: GS 66A CAUSES STUN!!!
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It's weird how the hit that normally bounces them off the ground didn't hit, otherwise, her CE could work wonders as an air combo, too. And I'm upset that we have ANOTHER stun in Gloomy, yet we're always forced to Jolly. Why is it always Gloomy that gets the good moves?
 
kerrod123 said:
i dont know how you guys can say that you would be happy if she stays how she is now,she has barely changed at all
44K stills gives headache by the looks of it
she still seems way too jolly heavy

some cool new things but she is definitly not sorted at all she still always keeps losing
her CE is awesome however but there is still quite a bit to be done with her since weve seen more tira gameplay now i really hope this means they are close to been done with her style now,if so then it is a sick joke!
she needs the cool SC3 moves back,spin stances,more stuns and the moods more balanced so you dont always go back to jolly
and no 44K headaches or atleast if it stuns or changes stance

keep the randomness but it definitly needs to be controllable too
theres probably quite a bit more but hopefully those main things will bump up her tier,but if it still wasnt high enough then id say give her some more things like we have suggested in the wishlist, SC3 tira was great so why cant SCV tira be?i had no trouble fighting people with SC3 tira at all so it should be like that in V she is far from been done yet
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Well no one has really tapped into her potential yet so on one winning with her means pretty much nothing. The reason im saying that shes fine the way she is in the video is because at high level she had the potential to win. It just took alot of character knowledge and work to do it, and now that she got buffed why make the character any easier to play. Im use to tira being a high execution, and high hit confirm character that took work to win with. I would hate to see her as a pick up and play character just because some people thought it was IMPOSSIBLE to win with her, because it wasn't. I agree she was bad compared to most of the characters in sc4, but she got the buffs she deserves, so I say just leave her alone from now on. But, I can't speak for everyone and I have to respect your opinion. This is just how I take it playing her at a hig level.
 
i hope this is no where near tira finished because even though we have seen some cool new things,lets face it she is still way crippled and unrelaible as she was before
i think they will be doing things for her randomness and things like that and thats why we might not see her any different for awhile,thats what im hoping anyway that they are sorting out the big things for her right now
i hope they dont think that these new things are going to cut it for SCV tira
they wanted are input and since she needs sorting im hoping she will be made a lot better

and immortalxdragon i get what you are saying about her not becoming a pick up and play character,
i really dont want her like that at all,thats definitly not what i want,i just want to see the main things she needs been taken onboard and been put into tira so she is no longer so crippled and around mid level or something
id like to think i play as her pretty high level now too and yes it took ages to get like it
but she really isnt rewarding enough for the player who has done all that work to play with her good

and no ones tapped into her potential yet,yes thats right but her potential also hasnt been put into the game yet either,she has a lot of potential,and a lot of it was there in SC3 and they took it away,i love her with moods etc but its just so unreliable how it is now
you need to be able to after learning her for awhile,be able to rely on her so much more than in SC4

make the changes with her randomness and big things like that and add in the great SC3 moves they just seemed to blatently take away and id say that would cut it,never mind about all the other extra stuff
i respect your opinion too and anyone elses but they asked for our input and if this what we are seeing is pretty much all the buffs she is getting i think its just a joke, she deserves more to be honest, shes not like a normal character at all,shes about as normal as ivy so she needs a lot more
 
ImmortalxDragon said:
Well no one has really tapped into her potential yet so on one winning with her means pretty much nothing. The reason im saying that shes fine the way she is in the video is because at high level she had the potential to win. It just took alot of character knowledge and work to do it, and now that she got buffed why make the character any easier to play. Im use to tira being a high execution, and high hit confirm character that took work to win with. I would hate to see her as a pick up and play character just because some people thought it was IMPOSSIBLE to win with her, because it wasn't. I agree she was bad compared to most of the characters in sc4, but she got the buffs she deserves, so I say just leave her alone from now on. But, I can't speak for everyone and I have to respect your opinion. This is just how I take it playing her at a hig level.
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I won't be happy if this is the more towards the final version of Tira. She still doesn't have any good combos.. They give the new kid an epic combo (see my signature for details), but they can't give Tira any decent combos? I hate how most of hers stem off low moves.
 
Violent_Vodka said:
I won't be happy if this is the more towards the final version of Tira. She still doesn't have any good combos.. They give the new kid an epic combo (see my signature for details), but they can't give Tira any decent combos? I hate how most of hers stem off low moves.
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We are not really sure about her max combo ability because people are just testing the game. The speculation on combos are inconclusive because the people playing as tira in the videos don't really know how to do her max damage combos. We will just have to wait and see how her combos progress over time. We will get a better feel for her combos when the game is closer to being released. Right now, the game is just a demo, so maybe there are combos, but they just haven't been discovered yet. But who knows.
 
well its better to say something and just say we really want tira to have more combo ability than in SC4 than not doing anything, i think too many of us are getting into a false sense of security thinking- its just a demo it will be totaly different when it comes out,yes thats most likely true but you cant count on it for everything
there only human they can forget to sort some things out

better to say something now and make sure we are heard than sitting there thinking it will all work out fine
if it doesnt then you wont be able to do much when its too late,thats what i think,i know i worry too much,but i also think some people think too far opposite aswell,they cant sort everything if they are not reminded and retold at certain points if we dont see anything or enough improvement

or saying something like it is too early to tell this and that from her gameplay now,yes things will be added to it,but the gamelay will most likely stay rather similiar and the tira gameplay we are seeing is still the old criplled SC4 tira with some good buffs and still hard to get combos pulled off,when you did do combos with her there not excatly great damge wise anyway

on another note.. i agree she needs more stuns and combo oppurtunities and yeah too she needs a good one that isnt from a low
 
kerrod123 said:
well its better to say something and just say we really want tira to have more combo ability than in SC4 than not doing anything, i think too many of us are getting into a false sense of security thinking- its just a demo it will be totaly different when it comes out,yes thats most likely true but you cant count on it for everything
there only human they can forget to sort some things out

better to say something now and make sure we are heard than sitting there thinking it will all work out fine
if it doesnt then you wont be able to do much when its too late,thats what i think,i know i worry too much,but i also think some people think too far opposite aswell,they cant sort everything if they are not reminded and retold at certain points if we dont see anything or enough improvement

on another note.. i agree she needs more stuns and combo oppurtunities and yeah too she needs a good one that isnt from a low too
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I agree, it is better to say something now. But the request from some people is to make her alot easier to play, and alot easier to win with. This is just my opinion, but I do not agree with making her any easier to play or win with.
Violent_Vodka said:
Based the look of her gameplay, it looks like it still might be pretty difficult to pull off good combos.
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Her combos weren't easy, which brings me back to my original comment. She is a high execution character, so she will take hard work and training to get her combos down. Reacting to a whiff punish into a max damage combo is crucial for her, and is not easy to do. This is why this character takes alot of work to get good with.
 
Violent_Vodka said:
Ivy wasn't easy, and look what they did to her! It's not fair to take one of the most complex and turn her into a pick-up-and-play character and not do it to everyone else.
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yes this is true,i agree with this strongly
i dont want tira to be easy to play whatsoever but i want her to be sorted out and be at a fair advantage and disadvantage, not just been low tier,if that means in some ways it may make her a bit easier just because she has more combos and is more reliable and easy to control then so be it,
yes she is a character that needs high execution for combos and such but i think its plain stupid how she is in SC4 its not because she is hard to play,well she is obviously

but its because she is so obviously behind other characters in a most crippling and unfair way and it shoudnt be like that with her at all
they go on about balance so really no character should be blatently be behind other characters so much,i dont think you can use an excuse like tira is hard to play and needs time to get good with/win with to explain why she is low tier
setsuka/ivy are quite hard to get good with but they are not low tier,so tira should be something like that,in that way too
 
kerrod123 said:
yes this is true,i agree with this strongly
i dont want tira to be easy to play whatsoever but i want her to be sorted out and be at a fair advantage and disadvantage, not just been low tier,if that means in some ways it may make her a bit easier just because she has more combos and is more reliable and easy to control then so be it,
yes she is a character that needs high execution for combos and such but i think its plain stupid how she is in SC4 its not because she is hard to play,well she is obviously

but its because she is so obviously behind other characters in a most crippling and unfair way and it shoudnt be like that with her at all
they go on about balance so really no character should be blatently be behind other characters so much,i dont think you can use an excuse like tira is hard to play and needs time to get good with/win with to explain why she is low tier
setsuka/ivy are quite hard to get good with but they are not low tier,so tira should be something like that,in that way too
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I totally agree. She's way good if you put a LOT of time in, but most of her moves/combos are difficult to pull off with her random mood swings and the fact that she's got very few workable stuns, most her launches need a counter to be worthwhile, etc.
 
well anyway id like to spend all this energy on putting these things on the tira wishlist than ending up causing an argument or something,but ive already got bundles of ideas on there..hmm
it would be good if we could send our ideas in all together as more information is released on the characters since now obviously our views and ideas are updated since it was made,i feel this way with the ivy wishlist too,because i feel by myself saying things that i am concerned about or want to make sure they do change or add,its not going to do a darn thing

by the way gloomy has an extra stun so i was wondering if jolly did too,i saw 3K stun but i think this was the 1st hit after the opponent died so i dont know whether it actually stuns or not since you cant tell,its driving me crazy!jolly needs another stun and/or another combo though even if it does stun
it sure is annoying though how gloomy gets all the good moves and gets another stun when its so hard to get to and stay in gloomy but this will be changed most likely,its one of the main things
 
Well, your wishlist post is already really long.. To make it look nicer, you can tell me what you wanted to put in there, and I'll put it on my post?
 
Ivy can be broken down and easily become the hardest character to play if all her tools were used. Learning how to move with ivy is probably the most important thing. Tira on the other hand was also really complex, and needed to use almost all the tools necessary to win. Both are very complex characters that take time to understand fully. But ivy can win easily with limited tools depending on the matchup. It was said Ivy was too hard to use, and so thats why they made her easier to play. Tira didnt have to switch from stance to stance for different tools. It does it automatically depending on the amount of health she has, so her technicality is not that she is hard to use the same way Ivy is. She is hard to use in a way that involves max character knowledge. It may be similiar, but in actuality it is very different. So I can understand why they thought Ivy needed to be easier to play even though im already starting to dislike her even more lol. But tira is a character that shouldn't be changed to where she is just really good and only uses limited tools to win. The wide variety of attacks that the player needs to know how to use in certain situations made the character all the more fun to play for me. I really don't mind what tier she is, I just want her to be just as technical, and just as hard to win with in sc5.
 
kerrod123 said:
well anyway id like to spend all this energy on putting these things on the tira wishlist than ending up causing an argument or something,but ive already got bundles of ideas on there..hmm
it would be good if we could send our ideas in all together as more information is released on the characters since now obviously our views and ideas are updated since it was made,i feel this way with the ivy wishlist too,because i feel by myself saying things that i am concerned about or want to make sure they do change or add,its not going to do a darn thing

by the way gloomy has an extra stun so i was wondering if jolly did too,i saw 3K stun but i think this was the 1st hit after the opponent died so i dont know whether it actually stuns or not since you cant tell,its driving me crazy!jolly needs another stun and/or another combo though even if it does stun
it sure is annoying though how gloomy gets all the good moves and gets another stun when its so hard to get to and stay in gloomy but this will be changed most likely,its one of the main things
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Beleive me, Im not trying to cause an argument im just expressing how I feel about the character. That is all im doing, no argument intended.
 
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