Couslali's mixups & stungames.

i don't suppose we could lock this topic, considering that it's become nothing more than "you're wrong", "no you're wrong", "lol couslali"
 
i don't suppose we could lock this topic, considering that it's become nothing more than "you're wrong", "no you're wrong", "lol couslali"
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And don't forget "codpiece". Where is Sporko/Doug when you need him?!
 
Well, the sad part here is that you people are the ones being stupid since the stungames arent mixups, so DOH that the stungames arent mid low high low mids, they are followups ive found nothing more nothing less.
Mixups is what i did with rock in his 3rd before last for instance, (cause actually a stungame failed so i had to do something awesome to not screw up the vid lol) and mitsurugi's last. Most of what i taped was just stungames, thats it. And if you can shake that, thats fine by me. Im not here to show you things you can use against your nemesis on tourney grounds, im just showing "what i sometimes use, cause i play a different game' and who the hell cares if you people wouldnt use that, that is the whole point.
 
Know what before i meet any more stupidity here let me give you a small sheet i once made for rock when i was learning him offline (i dont use forums to learn a char no, i get used to chars slower that way)

44[a] forces stun. (slow mid range) (Good on opponents standing up.)
2b+k forces stun. (fast short range)
11 knockback stun. (no AUR but allows FG AT)

By far the most important one is 2B+k you will be utilizing that move alot cause its 1: the fastest stun forcer and 2: the one stun forcer of two allowing you to follow up worthy combos.
Aside its stun forcing property its also handy in spamming down on the opponents Soul bar a few times incase they block it untill the opponent is foolish enough to make a mistake allowing you to start your combo or smart enough to wave some ridiculous fast taki at your face.
Either way, this move is your god from now on, 44[a] is only usefull when you are getting bored or when you become to predictable and need to change from poking to wakeupgames.

Next the followups.

3A follows up on 2b+k and 44[a], it is the single move that allows a third follow up but will induce the opponent to crouch stun therefore can only be proceeded with either LG or a mid followup.

Valid Stun Combo enders are (Valid as in all allow groundgame options):
4b. (very shortrange headbutt, will force faceplant stun, will miss on 3a)
6b. (will force crouch stun)
3b. (will force crouch stun)
4a+b. (will force knockback stun)
66b. (will force crouch stun, will force auto recover)
6a+b,[a+b]. (will force faceplant stun)
1b,b. (will force full knockback stun)
44b,b. (will force airtime allowing [b+k] combo allowing several options, ill handle this one later)
4k,a. (if done after a 3a this one will miss, instead you have a 4k2a+b option cause 3a allows lowgrab in a stun followup)
G23k. (Astaroths dash) (Will force full knockback stun)

Invalid Stun Combo enders are (Invalid as in all will stop the stun combo on the spot) (important; these moves ONLY work on a starter not on a followup)
66A,B. On 2B+K. (dont forget, this wont work after Valid stun followup options or will cut off stun literally, allows LG into HG AT)
6a,a. (Will force full knockback stun) (this move isnt recommended, it has very short range on the first blow)

Now that ive covered all the above, let me give you a few good hand me down combos i personally use made with the above knowledge.
Now i know that SCU wouldnt consider them combos cause they are shakable, but tbh ive never seen anyone shake off a single rock combo before, unless they had the luck of tapping their heads into their controllers. :P
It is a fact though that even the groundgrabs can be escaped, then again.. so what.. rock has enough options.

2b+k, 3a, 66b, 2a+g, 1a+g, 2a+k, 1a+g. (can be followed up with 22k into FG AT if close enough)

44[a], 3a, 2b+k, 6a+b[a+b], 2a+k, 1a+g. (same possible follow up as above)

44bb, b+k, 4, 2a+k into HG AT (depending on direction facing) (same possible follow up as above)

close to a wall: 2b+k, 3a, 3k, a+g, 2a+g, 1a+g (can be followed up with 2a+k, 1a+g, 22k into FG AT)
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Yes i know stuns are escapable, you guys told me a thousand times, and even before that i knew it so dont use that as an arguement anymore cause it is none, the only thing you can say to me is i dont play to win, and thats right. I dont.
At least i can still enjoy a game when i lose huh.
 
well... shit.. i dont know how to edit... the forum gave me a message to wait 30 seconds to repost and it doubled it.
Anyway, when i said i never saw someone shake off rocks stun i obviously was talking about online, and before people here are screaming murder and cous is stupid/funny/woman let me state (for the 5th time) i dont plan on playing tourneys ever, i dont plan on joining any competition.
 
Someone should tell me how the fuck i edit posts, i dont see a clicky anywhere on this page allowing me to do so ... :/
Wanted to say one more thing cause people are bound to read over it again; yes i called the stungame for rock a stuncombo, doesnt mean its a combo in your words i am simply not very good with words, dont forget im not english so its hard enough sometimes to explain myself.
 
Couslalivoldo-IV said:
the only thing you can say to me is i dont play to win, and thats right. I dont.
At least i can still enjoy a game when i lose huh.
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Isn't the whole entire point of 8wayrun to encourage high level SC4 play?

Thus 8wayrun.com=play to win=your post/movie was pointless.
 
(cause actually a stungame failed so i had to do something awesome to not screw up the vid lol)
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O.o?? you mean it's already not screwed up?
 
Wow, just wow.. encouraging high level play by just doing all the same? Thats like a group of people who like strawberry pie and hate all other pies or something, i doubt 8wayrun is meant only for consistency, i am a in your words 'high level player' i just dont play the same. Anyway im going to town now, you guys should watch my movie again for awesome.
 
Watch your video for what? Useless setups? In your sheet you said Rock has plenty of options..lol, like hes a really good character or something. 8wayrun is here to offer something useful one way or another. Look at the other videos posted in the game video distribution section, they all have something to offer. Then theres yours, which has nothing at all. You act like were all against you but its because you act dumb and for some reason dont know any better.
 
Dude just let it go already, the point is becoming redundant, the combos are shakable blah blah blah, Your logic seems good on paper ( then again so did communism ), people are already bashing you for this.

this conversation is over
 
Nothing wrong with communism, its priviledgeism that screws things up.

Anyway, i never came here to make a point or to bring anyone something new, so what is the problem anyway.
Gj creating one..people.

Oh and when i watched those tourny vids on the main page (dutch ones, funny cause i am dutch myself) i chuckled, if thats what you guys want to see then dont talk about high tier and pro cause it was laughable.
 
To be fair, guys, Couslali did declare several facts early:

1. Stuns are escape-able
2. He does not win.
3. The reason for # 2 is, of course, "my mind is completely blank before a fight" (post #26)

However, he also fails to realize:

1. He severely overestimates his mix-up ability. The reason is, of course, is "i abolish the walls that keep the mechanics together by ignoring them" (post #31)
2. People on 8wayrun.com don't like someone that shows a video that does not have Warble quality but then declares "im afraid im the only person who can comprehend its worth" (post #30)
3. Finally, the reason for #2 is, of course, "im pretty genious" (post #33).

Lastly, we are not allowed to talk "high tiers and pros" (post #55) if we do not discuss characters and players' use of stun game. Really.
 
By god... i have already told you why, i use their own consistent games against people. For example..is it not that you expect lets say astaroth to constantly look for an opening to use 6k? or a kilik that trys to utilize his stances or take you to the floor with 22_88aaa? How would you play a astaroth/kilik that doesnt? Do you understand what im heading toward? You have an expectance of the opponent and you defend against it to punish, the hardest people ive fought were people that had their own style instead of aiming for the obvious. People that did not aim for a valid combo but constantly changed the direction of their game. How much times do i need to explain this simple stuff? A match is 3 rounds(usually) knowing valid punishes or starters is fucking easy, it takes ten minutes in trainingmode and a quick 1 minute look on forums for the framedata. Its easy to know what to expect, especially for me. I see all options someone can use on a certain distance, ive been blocking valid mixups without a problem against characters i hardly ever play against just because of it. I cannot stand, i cannot literally stand simplicity, and that is exactly what it is. A narrowed down style for specific mechanics. Ive called it zombie mechanics and im still of opinion that defines it best.
I know valid/consistent sounds all great but there are more dimensions to a fight than just straightforward dealing damage, wich are mindgames. And that is my style. I dont just mash into random attacks, i coordinate on the spot cause my odd brain allows me to. And i dont give a flying shit about losing either, cause my game isnt fueled by an ego trying to win. Im not playing to win, im not playing to lose, im playing to play.
 
Couslalivoldo-IV said:
Oh and when i watched those tourny vids on the main page (dutch ones, funny cause i am dutch myself) i chuckled, if thats what you guys want to see then dont talk about high tier and pro cause it was laughable.
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says the guy, who will not play tourneys ever

seriously, noone cares....about your vid, you've wasted your time and others, congrats!!! if that was your intention you did well

I can post a vid with my rock doing a BB, AA, 2K, 3K, 4K, 8K, 9B, 66K, 44B, 22B after a 2B+K, after any stun. What's the point? if it's all dribble. WHAT IS THE POINT OF SHOWING WHAT YOU DO WHEN IT AS ALL USELESS. Oh look at me i'm doing something different BUT IT'S GARBAGE! I don't like to do FREE damage stuff cuz it's repetitive?! please. Who is buying that? You don't play to win so...you play to lose? losing is entertaining? losing makes the game fun for you?
 
@hotnikkelz; Whats the point of taping what i do? Well whats the point to taping anything then, cause nothing is really impressive in the end.. even so called pro fights arent. Yea and so what if i dont play tournies, do you really care about it? Why should i not be entitled to speak up when i dont do tournies again?
Read my earlier post for an answer on your last bundle of 12 year olds whining.
 
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