Azazel
[12] Conqueror
SoS and SMaw please keep the respect, like I said I don't want to start a fire with this thread.
Defecting SC players
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I don't know.
Well, the thing is here everyone else is more focused on the actual gameplay rather than the character editor. There's nothing wrong with either, it's just the character editor is more of a...flash in the pan compared to the actual gameplay. It may not seem like it, but it really is. I mean, think about it. It's a fighting game. The character editor is just a way to get more money from the casual players, it's tertiary at best and was clearly not the big focus on development in the game. There's nothing wrong with liking it(inb4 trolltastic meme spouted by a dozen people: "there is nothing right in liking CAS"), but it's better to take note of what's more important. The gameplay. It's pretty well balanced, so there's more replay value from it(especially with solid netcode to supplement things when there's no tourneys going on) just like there should be in any fighting game. Just remember you're playing a fighting game, please xD
Azazel
[12] Conqueror
I haven't seen many Europeans around here and I'm kinda curious in the opinion of many, like...AoT?
houndDog75
[09] Warrior
I love this game. I work all week and I get home at night and I throw it in the old xbox and I play matches all night long. I'm not good; I get beat up, I beat others up. I'm not ever going to go to a tourney unless it's right here in NYC and If i missed a tourney in NYC that is my own fault for not paying attention to the site more. For those that complain about the game and about characters or lack there of. The end GOAL of any game is to have fun. The goal of life is to have fun and build friendship and enjoy every moment you can.
I've made many friends on this site and playing the games. I have a good friend now that I met duirng SV4 and him and I have had drinks gone out partying.
So whatever happens to this game it will be in my xbox tonight or tomorrow night and probably the next night. And I will enjoy every moment of it.
I've made many friends on this site and playing the games. I have a good friend now that I met duirng SV4 and him and I have had drinks gone out partying.
So whatever happens to this game it will be in my xbox tonight or tomorrow night and probably the next night. And I will enjoy every moment of it.
optymuss
[12] Conqueror
Where are my shoes?
Kai_lombax
[13] Hero
Haha CAS may be a "flash in a pan" that is there to get more casual players but if it makes money, then what's the problem? It's like they say, if you don't want to use it, don't use it. No ones forcing you. Stick with the main characters if you don't want to touch it. It's that simple. I don't really see them getting rid of CAS, at least not yet anyway.
darkwings13
[14] Master
CAS is just a way to make good money. I don't use it (beside re-coloring and making a few Talims) but I've seen some pretty neat creations from other people and if it's making money for the series, there's nothing wrong with it. I support it even though I don't use it. It's a nice side addition and people can have some fun with it. Although I still wondered who made the sexy packs and the firefighter thing. Worse, I wondered what they could have used that time for instead of making that stuff. Who wants to be a firefighter? Or get married in SCV... weird bridal pack....
*Cheh, don't take my opinion seriously though. I spent money on Talim's cat costume dlc even though I know it's pretty ugly.
*Cheh, don't take my opinion seriously though. I spent money on Talim's cat costume dlc even though I know it's pretty ugly.
Kai_lombax
[13] Hero
Yeah, I agree on those packs. Instead of the sexy, firefighter, and bridal packs, they could have made more armor, authentic period outfits and possibly iconic clothing worn from the main characters in the previous games.
REPROBEAN_CHILD
[14] Master
That's all subjective. I've managed to make a lot of good modern outfits for my characters. I agree that the firefighter stuff feels very misplaced, but there's always room for modern stuff in Character Creation. It just depends on what it is. Besides, stuff like the bridal dress doesn't need to be treated as just "a bridal dress." Color it black and you have yourself a filled, short, Victorian dress.
franman
[13] Hero
Okay screw it I might as well troll and tell why...
Soul Calibur is supposedly mainly based on the original SC characters; infact the game is mainly build around original SC characters. As gimmicky as CAS are and benefitting to SC profits it rubs ppl the wrong way because it has a negative influence on the majority of newcomers who bought SC for that reason to forget/not care/misguide what SC is about. They tend to use CAS for the majority or infact all the time forgetting or not caring about the original SC crew that ever existed and this is mostly evident when you play online with random casual players.
So by this nature CAS is likely competing against the original SC crew in terms of popularity contest; while the loyal fanbase casual and competitive fans may use both in their spare time, the majority of the other folks are likely going to use CAS.
TsunamiBye
[14] Master
Short and sweet version example: Grew up with Yoshimitsu. Not CAS of Yoshimitsu.
Solo
[14] Master
I think in the next SC game they should only let you edit the SC cast but not make an actual CaS. Sort of like Virtua Fighter and Tekken. SC's creation system but with original cast only. That would be a good alternative in my opinion.
darkwings13
[14] Master
That would solve the hitbox issues :D
But we're going to get flooded with tears by alot of people. There are already complaints on why CAS can't be as unique as SCIII where they had different(broken) movesets from the orig SC cast. If ppl are forced to dress up the orig cast only, I'm sure not many would like it since they've been used to the old CAS system.
UnseenWombat
[14] Master
The only thing they need to fix with CaS is that when you make one of a particular character, that CaS gets ALL THE ORIGINAL CHARACTER'S HITBOX PROPERTIES imparted to them. None of this "choose a size" BS. Or let people choose a size but keep the hitbox the same. Yes, I realize that means that if you make an Ashlotte, then moves that look like they should whiff on her will actually hit. (Namco is okay with that in Tekken anyway, so why not SC?)
Franman, I think you're saying there are people who buy the game for CaS and like it better than the original cast. I don't see what's wrong with that. Not everyone is a die hard SC fan from 1997 like some of us. As long as they don't do something stupid, (like put in starwars characters, or freddy krueger, or link, or spawn, or pikachu, or chespirito), I'm okay with whatever helps them move games.
To say that CaS ruined SCV is nonsense IMO. What ruined SCV was the rush job that Namco forced PS to make. Including CaS obviously didn't make them scrimp on the important gameplay stuff, or the netcode, because we have probably the best game in the series in that respect. The only thing really lacking in this game were the single player modes and a ton of characters. If including CaS made them unable to add those things, then maybe it could be argued it ruined SCV, though excluding CaS would have made an entirely different set of fans angry. So really it was the impossible deadline they had to meet that was behind all of it, not any one game mode.
Franman, I think you're saying there are people who buy the game for CaS and like it better than the original cast. I don't see what's wrong with that. Not everyone is a die hard SC fan from 1997 like some of us. As long as they don't do something stupid, (like put in starwars characters, or freddy krueger, or link, or spawn, or pikachu, or chespirito), I'm okay with whatever helps them move games.
To say that CaS ruined SCV is nonsense IMO. What ruined SCV was the rush job that Namco forced PS to make. Including CaS obviously didn't make them scrimp on the important gameplay stuff, or the netcode, because we have probably the best game in the series in that respect. The only thing really lacking in this game were the single player modes and a ton of characters. If including CaS made them unable to add those things, then maybe it could be argued it ruined SCV, though excluding CaS would have made an entirely different set of fans angry. So really it was the impossible deadline they had to meet that was behind all of it, not any one game mode.
REPROBEAN_CHILD
[14] Master
Aside from the hitbox issues, i don't see a need for them to even consider removing CaS. All that amounts to is another feature being removed from the series, which isn't what needs to happen [anymore]. There's a different feeling between customizing an established character in a manner you want and being able to name a character, shape their appearance, and choose however you want to play them. Why abandon one for another, when the game already takes care of both and does it quite well? You guys complained that this game already offers less; do you want it to come to the point where there's only the characters and offline/online versus modes available?
Some people complain that "CaS is only cosmetic because it mimics the original's moveset," but it at least allows the user to become familiar with a playstyle to the point they start maining it. Whether or not you're playing as the 46-year-old, rugged-looking ronin who wants to finish his battle with "Arugoru" or use his style for an amateur samurai, you're still playing Mitsu. That's why I don't think it's necessary for them to add unique styles; you indirectly establishing yourself to a main character by using their style. CaS should be seen as a way of expanding/enhancing the player's experience, not being seen as something negative. Be mindful that literally no other fighting game has custom features that matches SoulCalibur's, so that's one of the reason why it's unique. Tekken comes close, but the fact you can't make your own character in Tekken makes it fall short just slightly imo.
That's actually the fault of the causal not to try to become familiar with the main cast. Why should they be catered to? Besides, who's to say that anyone has to play the game "the way it's expected to be played?" Aren't games supposed to be played for enjoyment? Players can still use CaS heavily, but still know everything about what goes on in the SC universe. I'd very much rather have 10 ignorant casuals buy the game, made piss-poor CaS, and eventually become good at the game than to see 10 new copies sitting on a shelve six months after release. It's up to them whether or not they decide to take the game seriously. And CaS doesn't "cut into SC's profits," because it's still SC's profits. CaS wouldn't exist without SC.
Some people complain that "CaS is only cosmetic because it mimics the original's moveset," but it at least allows the user to become familiar with a playstyle to the point they start maining it. Whether or not you're playing as the 46-year-old, rugged-looking ronin who wants to finish his battle with "Arugoru" or use his style for an amateur samurai, you're still playing Mitsu. That's why I don't think it's necessary for them to add unique styles; you indirectly establishing yourself to a main character by using their style. CaS should be seen as a way of expanding/enhancing the player's experience, not being seen as something negative. Be mindful that literally no other fighting game has custom features that matches SoulCalibur's, so that's one of the reason why it's unique. Tekken comes close, but the fact you can't make your own character in Tekken makes it fall short just slightly imo.
That's actually the fault of the causal not to try to become familiar with the main cast. Why should they be catered to? Besides, who's to say that anyone has to play the game "the way it's expected to be played?" Aren't games supposed to be played for enjoyment? Players can still use CaS heavily, but still know everything about what goes on in the SC universe. I'd very much rather have 10 ignorant casuals buy the game, made piss-poor CaS, and eventually become good at the game than to see 10 new copies sitting on a shelve six months after release. It's up to them whether or not they decide to take the game seriously. And CaS doesn't "cut into SC's profits," because it's still SC's profits. CaS wouldn't exist without SC.
franman
[13] Hero
But SC is suppose to educate newcomers what the game is about you don't see that kind of CAS in a Super Mario Bros, Gran Turismo, Ninja Gaiden, The Witcher, Metal Gear Solid 4 let alone the DLC pack etc. as they are emphasized on their own characters.
MK Armagedon does have CAS but you don't see that in the latest Mortal Kombat game.
You do see CAS having a game of their own that's why you have games that are soley based on that such as Monster Hunter, Skyrim, Forza Motorsport etc.
If anything I think CAS should have a game of their own or maybe a DLC expansion of some sort.
JDub
Mmm. Pie.
Damn. All this flaming over CAS. Don't people like to customize things? I've customized my motorbike, laptop, desktop, guitar, home, office etc... It's called ownership. If people get into the character more from being able to customize it, why not? The game is kill or be killed. Tense enough as it is really. But, having a personal connection to the character does heighten the sense of urgency and tension. It's fun! That's your character out there - not Namco's.
Now, back on topic. Yes, there is defection. Games have a half-life. There are die hards who never leave, enthusiasts and casuals who may peel off temporarily from time to time but always return. Then, like in any game - those who move on. No game has 100% retention. A lot of fighting games have come out recently. It's really too early to tell how many are actual defectors and how many are just "experimenting" with other games. So, instead of calling people defectors, we should just call them game whores. :)
Now, back on topic. Yes, there is defection. Games have a half-life. There are die hards who never leave, enthusiasts and casuals who may peel off temporarily from time to time but always return. Then, like in any game - those who move on. No game has 100% retention. A lot of fighting games have come out recently. It's really too early to tell how many are actual defectors and how many are just "experimenting" with other games. So, instead of calling people defectors, we should just call them game whores. :)
Azazel
[12] Conqueror
Why so much discussion about an extra mode? shouldn't we ask for more instead of less? :S what CaS has to do with the current state of the saga?
Solo
[14] Master
Lol @ the flames that came from my opinion.
JDub
Mmm. Pie.
Personally, I never paid much attention to the story. It's always been about fighting my character against yours. Plus...story mode is kind of an extra mode isn't it? The bare bones would just be Vs. computer or Vs. 2p (offline or online) in my opinion.
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