Nationals: What Went Right/Wrong

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i dont know how jaxel is making it worst... i want answers too! i put 40 bucks into the nats pot! and yet... nothing.
 
Ramon said:
i dont know how jaxel is making it worst... i want answers too! i put 40 bucks into the nats pot! and yet... nothing.
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If you didn't get top 4, the money wasn't going to you anyway. So whether it was donated to a church, used for cocaine, or mismanaged at nats, does it really matter?
 
um yeah...i want the people that deserve it to get it...wtf is so to understand? a big FUCK EVERYONE ELSE is something that can make this community go forward huh?
 
Ramon said:
um yeah...i want the people that deserve it to get it...wtf is so to understand? a big FUCK EVERYONE ELSE is something that can make this community go forward huh?
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Is it my, or your responsibility to play detective and go find it? I think the top 4 at nats are smart individuals, and if they feel they were cheated out of money, I give them enough credit to assume they would have done something about it (or plan to very soon). Calling NVGA/DFG out over and over is getting us where exactly? The point has been made, NVGA/DFG made errors at Nats and it's safe to assume they won't be hosting it next year. Is that not enough?
 
Nori said:
If you didn't get top 4, the money wasn't going to you anyway. So whether it was donated to a church, used for cocaine, or mismanaged at nats, does it really matter?
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Come on man, you know this statement is bullshit. I agree that we need to move past this, but I also want to make sure that the money everyone "donated" went to the gamers who played the best at that tournement. When one enters a tournement, they aren't gambling....sure they want to win, but they are contributing to the pot for the best player/s.
 
Jesus said:
Come on man, you know this statement is bullshit. I agree that we need to move past this, but I also want to make sure that the money everyone "donated" went to the gamers who played the best at that tournement. When one enters a tournement, they aren't gambling....sure they want to win, but they are contributing to the pot for the best player/s.
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Again, there are more productive ways to go about it. I'm sure we can agree that this exact thread is NOT the answer to get the money (assuming there is missing money) the top 4 deserve right? Of course I'd rather see my money go to the top players, and the way Jaxel added up the money, there is a possibility it hasn't. Now ask yourself, is THIS thread and THIS way going about it going to get results? No. Maybe a more productive way is to talk to the top 4 in PMs, and get them to try and track it down?
 
Nori said:
Again, there are more productive ways to go about it. I'm sure we can agree that this exact thread is NOT the answer to get the money (assuming there is missing money) the top 4 deserve right? Of course I'd rather see my money go to the top players, and the way Jaxel added up the money, there is a possibility it hasn't. Now ask yourself, is THIS thread and THIS way going about it going to get results? No. Maybe a more productive way is to talk to the top 4 in PMs, and get them to try and track it down?
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I agree with you, I was just stating that your comment was off. I would like to think that we can instill enough faith in the NVGA as a whole to rectify the situation, or atleast look into what roles were played/misplayed, and then give us a "transparent" answer. I'm actually quite pleased that other leaders of the NVGA have stepped up and admitted that this might not have been ran to the best of their abilities. Sure, the answers that have been givin are PR answers, but guess what, they have to operate like a business to succeed. Atleast they have stepped in and commented unlike other organizations in the past that are no longer around.
 
seriously at this point everyone should just shut the fuck up and drop it already.

Nori i LOVE your sig lol

everyone should just watch and relax and smile.

oh and dont forget to come to GAMEUNICON!!!

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g0ofus said:
seriously at this point everyone should just shut the fuck up and drop it already.

Nori i LOVE your sig lol

everyone should just watch and relax and smile.

oh and dont forget to come to GAMEUNICON!!!

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I have been saying for a while this thread should be closed. Everything that has to be said has been said. Also, yes, it's all about the Ultimate Warrior
 
Dezzz said:
Dude who are you? Lmao do you even play soulcal :sad clown face:
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Sigh... Does me playing anything matter? I sat here, read all the posts up to the point of when i posted. Now what does it matter to anyone on if I play any game? Nothing I stated in my post has anything to do with the game, just the fact that all I have read up till now is one side, trying to find out answers by putting pressure on the member of NVGA who helped run the event. On the other side, we have that person, along with other members of the NVGA defending him and answering the smaller questions, that are easy to answer, and as for the hard questions, being avoided by the basic, "we will look into this matter" response.

Now Dezzz, i dont know you. You dont know me. So, tell me again why does this matter? I just gave my own opinion on what i have read. If you are apart of the NVGA, then if anything, you should be trying to help find the answers so this can be brought to a close. My post gave a way. To me, I would think that with an organization such as this, they should have a record of all the expensives that happened in this event. Where is the harm in proving that everything was done right by showing that to the community? All DFG really needs to do is Scan all the recepts for the event and place them in public view. It saves the NVGA from the possible loss of face about the event and best part, you have proven that DFG did not do anything wrong which would make 80%-90% of all the posts wrong...

To me its easy. But from what I am seeing now, with the response you provided, I think that unless you have some standing in the community by playing, your voice or opinion does not matter. And that was all from your one post in reguards to me.
 
I wasn't there or a part of anything but missing money at a tourney REGARDLESS if you're not top 4 or not is fucked up because it's their money. As a community people should stand up for it. Now they obviously don't feel like going through what Jaxel is going through right now, "the run-around" cause it hasn't been answered ONCE where that money went. If it was 100 bux everyone would probably turn their head or just forget about it but 2k is a lot to just vanish.

The fact of the matter is they want NVGA to say "Yea we fucked up and lost the money" or something along those lines. Just come clean and man up about what happens to 2k money. Ain't shit to discuss because if money comes up missing allllll of a sudden no one knows shit which is bullshit and unfair to the players who put so much time and effort into becoming good at this game.

Can you honestly sit there and say, yea Thuggish was supposed to get x amount of money but since shady shit happened he only got 1k. And we're not gonna ask questions but we won't new people to come to the community. If shit isn't settled then no one will take you serious and that's the bottom line.
 
NinjaCW said:
Now they obviously don't feel like going through what Jaxel is going through right now, "the run-around" cause it hasn't been answered ONCE where that money went.
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This is simply incorrect NinjaCW. There have been some responses about the issue of the prize money from both DFG and others if you go back and read the thread. The answers are still more general than we are satisfied with however so that's why we have said we will look into it further. That is not "the run around".

If you are the same NinjaCW from DoaCentral then you should know a little bit about my history with events and competitions. Although I did not run this tournament I did support it and along with my role in the NVGA this means that I am looking into it.

If you read my posts I have stated that NVGA has not made a single penny on the SC National tournament. This I know for a fact. We all spent money for this event and other than the organizational issues being raise here we enjoyed participating in it and feel it was worth the time and money. In fact as I've stated we, NVGA, invested money aka LOST money, investing it into the pot toward the $2000 that was awarded.

Please go back and read the post from DFG/CCC who ran the tournament. He did respond about the money.
Others also posted some parts of the looong email threads that took place in the planning of this event. Both DFG/CCC and Jaxel/8WayRun were in communication.

DFG has stated that money was lost on plane tickets (player cancellations) due to problems there and also that not all of the money from the regionals were received. This can also be seen from the email posts. I feel very sure that he did not "pocket" the money because we know that the event cost more money than it took in, even with the Soul Cal pot. I know for a fact that NVGA did not "pocket" money because as I said we were asked to contribute more money during the process and did.

If you were at the event or look at pictures from the event (I will post some) then it should be obvious that a lot of money was spent to make the event venue fun for the players and for all. Besides the plane tickets and regional cash shortages my guess would be that overall expenses simply exceeded planning. That's why we are looking into it and yes we all have jobs as well as our own organizations so this does take "time". It's not a "run around".

Now in my view the real outstanding issue is what was promised for the tournament vs. what was delivered. It's really that simple. The answer though is not so simple since most the planning took place in phone calls and over many email threads.

Finally, there may be some that wish we would simply stop responding and let this thread and matter die since it may be only a few people complaining. We don't work that way. I don't work that way. When we agree on a final response from the NVGA as well as a future solution then we will be finished with the matter and make sure there are no such questions in the future.
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Damnet you didnt post the pictures of me with the maids!!!! The Blonde was way hotter in person fyi.
 
Nori said:
Again, there are more productive ways to go about it. I'm sure we can agree that this exact thread is NOT the answer to get the money (assuming there is missing money) the top 4 deserve right? Of course I'd rather see my money go to the top players, and the way Jaxel added up the money, there is a possibility it hasn't. Now ask yourself, is THIS thread and THIS way going about it going to get results? No. Maybe a more productive way is to talk to the top 4 in PMs, and get them to try and track it down?
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There is no "missing" money. Professional lighting, DJ etc. etc. Whether you like where it went or not money for this event went into the event. The intention was to be enjoyed by the players. The only question is what was promised for the pot vs what was paid.
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Egg said:
Damnet you didnt post those pictures of me with the maids!!!! The Blonde was way hotter in person fyi.
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Ah, so where are your pics, surely you took some. :-)
 
Dahlsim said:
There is no "missing" money. Professional lighting, DJ etc. etc. Whether you like where it went or not money for this event went into the event. The intention was to be enjoyed by the players. The only question is what was promised for the pot vs what was paid.
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It seems that the agreements beforehand were to put the money towards the pot. If half of it was put towards lighting and DJ's, then that money was misused if that's what happened.
 
Dahlsim said:
There is no "missing" money. Professional lighting, DJ etc. etc. Whether you like where it went or not money for this event went into the event. The intention was to be enjoyed by the players. The only question is what was promised for the pot vs what was paid.
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Sir,
I am sorry but anyone here can place on a forum that I spent this much of money on this for this event.. I can say right now, that I spent $500 just to make the national pot bigger. Does this mean its true? Of course not, Why? Because there is no paper trail leading to my statement.

The point I am trying to get to you and the rest of NVGA to see is that if all this was used for the items that have been stated, why can't DFG place these records for the public to see? Why is it that the members of your organization are saying that it is used for the reasons you have stated when you will not proved the proof behind your actions? Right now, more and more people are reading this and more and more people will be talking about this. What does this mean to the community? It means that the next time NVGA says they plan to help them out with an event, the trust that was there before will not be there again.
As an organization, you know that this is hurtful for you the most. Even if CCC is separate from the NVGA, because they are associated with you means that you as a whole will be looked at as a non-trust worthy organization.

Why go through all this? Why not just have DFG post the items in question. The receipts for the DJ, and lighting, and whatever and let the public here read, and do the math themselves and prove that DFG did not do anything wrong?

All these posts about how the event ran is not giving the answer of the money sir. It is just showing that either, the NVGA has no idea where the money went or that they do know and refuse to show the public the paper trail for this event.

Now last thing i will say is that the PDF that Jaxel has of the National rules, Who created this and if this is how thing were suppose to be ran, why were some regionals not following this?
 
The_Dragon said:
Yes, and just to momentarily address the comment Greg made about only "certain players" having issues with his tournaments; Which section of players is that, the ones with experience? Greg do you remember when I first came here and I made threads demanding other people come to your tournament, and how I didn't understand why people would boycott your tournaments?

Then I got the back story of why and how they weren't showing up, and I still said they should let it go, you would learn from those mistakes and do a better job with tournaments in the future. Man, do I look back on that as a erroneous assumption. I then got to experience for myself the joys of an entire Third Strike tournament being reset during grand finals since a routine top three placer had not been entered in the bracket.

You showing up three hours late for your own tournament 3 hours late with the equipment needed for the tournament making everyone wait around in a small game store wondering if the tournament was even going to happen. Charging venue fees to people who showed up after work to play some casuals with friends for a couple hours, or peoples casual friends who just came to see what the tournament scene was like.

People having to play others they play on a daily or weekly basis in the first round of your tournaments due to absolute zero bracket organization, and questionable prices and payouts for your tournaments in general. And the best part of it all, the part that amazes me, is you still, after endless criticism, after people flat out saying that you rip people off and that they would boycott your tournaments, you still haven't changed.

You won't ever admit when you make a mistake, you won't ever own up to it, so you never change and you never fix anything because to you, you did everything right. How can you learn from a mistake when you won't admit it as a mistake in the first place? It's the only logical explanation I have for the fact that all of these problems still occur at your tournaments after years of them being present.

Greg, do you understand what people say after a good tournament? Maybe if you would pay attention or show up to tournaments not run by you, you would get it. Check the comments after Final Round, Midwest Challenge, Evolution, or Seasons Beatings for some real positive feedback like "can't wait for next year" "already saving my money" etc. People express their appreciation for an event the most by talking about how they want to do it again, and have you seen anyone in this thread, or elsewhere, do so?

And some of those above tournaments have had problems over the years, which people complained about. Guess what those tournament organizers did? Honestly and sincerely apologized for the mishaps, explained in clear terms what went wrong and what they were going to do to fix it in the future. You had such a great chance with this tournament to rebuild all the bridges you've shattered over the years, but instead you lit flames on the remnants to incinerate what good faith people had left in you, and justified every person who insisted we should never go to your tournaments in the first place.


You talk about people who are critical of you as if they're villains and play that same tired line of how you're the CO community, you're not going anywhere, and taking issue with you only hurts it all. Give me a break, do you not see people saying they're not coming back to Denver? How are you in any way good for this community? We'd be better off if you just stopped running tournaments altogether since you won't ever listen to anyone aside from yourself. Help the community? All you do is create strife, factions, and bad reputation.


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By the way, Chinga, perhaps I am an inexperienced tournament organizer, but as such, I would adhere to what I view as the fundamentals of running a good tournament based on what I've seen over the years, such as showing up on time, organizing brackets efficiently, and considering the players needs as top priorities. You know, like you did when I watched you run tournaments? Too bad Greg doesn't do that.

I understand you're trying to defend a friend here, but Greg brought this on himself.
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Sorry to quote such a huge block, but this deserved repeating. Dragon basically summed up the disaster that is DFG as a tourney organizer perfectly. As a person, he's great. As a leader in the gaming community, not so much. We've given Greg a ridiculous amount of opportunities to pull his shit together and it just never happens for exactly the reasons that Dragon mentioned. As far as missing money, that's all par for the course at a Colorado Cutthroat event. Usually it goes to "gas money" or other random expenditures. I'm really sorry that many of you had your first Colorado tourney experience be one run by DFG. If you want to see the future of fighting games in Colorado, go check out ExtraFreshLeague.com.

And just to preempt some of the inevitable bullshit that'll be said if certain people bother to pay any attention to this post, no this is not in any way about the EFL trying to tear down Colorado Cutthroat. We're not some competing for-profit organization aggressively attempting a takeover or some crap like that. All we're trying to do is offer a real alternative for fighting game tournaments in Colorado, and doing a damn good job of it at that. Take it for what you will.
 
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