Nightmare Web Theater.

to Tiamat:
thx alot for the heads up ^^ i'll try my best.

to eltoshan:
thx, yeah he doesn't punish, thats why i took the liberty of pressuring him. i'll try to record more matches with my local community, my play style is a little different in those matches.
and thx for the combo advices i should update my NM's combos to better choices.
 
My suggestion is...

the Sieg needs to know better anti NM

this seems to be the big problem with most NM vids i see nowadays including the ones released by the Taiwanese.

-LAU
 
LAU: The influx of SC2 players + new players, neither of which played SC3 much if at all, has lead to a situation in which once again, people don't know how to fight nightmare.
 
sure this sieg don't give me a hard time, but he's a bitch to fight while i'm playing with sieg. you see that's the problem, with the reputation that ppl gives nightmare of being low tier and the existance of better options and such nonsense (regardless of what tier ppl thinks hes in i'm not a big fan of these lists), less ppl are intrested in playing him thinking he's just a weak copy of siegfried. leading to less ppl knowing how to counter him.
anyway this is my 1st vids that i recorded, ill record better matches later against ppl who at least have a basic knowledge of NM.
 
Tiamat: yeah you're right I think it's because in HK all the sc4 players are also sc3

Hellbottom: it's kinda amusing to me that you're telling me this because I think anybody who knows me better I'm probably one of the biggest nm fan and one of the more well known players who is anti tier thread. So I never disagreed with you in the first place. I guess on this forum I'm still a nobody

-LAU
 
My latest match
I recorded it a few day ago

Cupui ( Night ) VS FrozenFang ( Yoshi )


It's been 1 month I didn't play NM
so maybe I missed some combo
( forgot the timing sigh...)

any comment suggestion? :)
 
LAU said:
Tiamat: yeah you're right I think it's because in HK all the sc4 players are also sc3

Hellbottom: it's kinda amusing to me that you're telling me this because I think anybody who knows me better I'm probably one of the biggest nm fan and one of the more well known players who is anti tier thread. So I never disagreed with you in the first place. I guess on this forum I'm still a nobody

-LAU
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sorry if i offended you, but i'm a nobody myself in this forum or any forum for that matter, i'm new to the whole SC internet community, i don't know if you noticed from my matches or not but i played nightmare/sieg without any guidance at all that's why some of my moves were misplaced and alot of my combos are lacking.
thanks for your help in advance ^^
 
cupui your videos are cool thx for posting it. excuse me for saying but are you the strongest in your local community, coz from your videos (i've seen it all old and new ones) no one seems to be in your league.
 
once people start climbing up the ladder in tournaments with NM people will start developing anti NM stuff.... which will take a while since no one really uses him lol, then again he's not much difference from his SC3 counterpart.
 
hellbottom said:
cupui your videos are cool thx for posting it. excuse me for saying but are you the strongest in your local community, coz from your videos (i've seen it all old and new ones) no one seems to be in your league.
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the strongest?
there's no tournament in indonesia

so I can't say I'm the strongest LOL

You can't judge only from video hahaha
that's only casual match

and for the record maybe I pick the most flashy
and the most enjoyable to watch :)

glad u like it
but maybe it's suicide if I play like that on tournament LOL

oh yeah the yoshi player still don't punish some of my blunder
NSS K and FC 3B he should have punished it LOL
but unfortunately looks like he don't know that it's punishable =P

@hteng

yeah...when they know how to punish NM
all NM variation became useless LOL
They will stop me before I dance using GS and NSS LOL
 
hellbottom

No you didn't offend me at all. Don't worry. I'm glad you like nm. Hope to see more of you vids soon. As for mine I think you can easily find them on YouTube I believe the hk community has released more vids than anyone else so far.

-LAU
 
hteng

I think you already commented on everything I really wanted to comment. As for nm variation being useless once they know anti nm that is not entirely true. In the later game you use less canned stance transitions and you tend to move in and out of stance more, even if they know nm well there's still some mixups they have to acknowledge. A lot of nm game is simple risk vs reward. They may be able to punish you on certain transitions and on certain stuff on block. The solution is simply don't make them block as much. Use more throws do more lows. Do transitions where the punishment only give them weak punishers. You can see this in action in around two weeks when this weeks vid gets uploaded. I'm playing against a really good Cassandra player but I still manage to win. The guy knows anti nm probably even better than I know it

-LAU
 
I already tried my best to do a mix up
and some mind game on em
but after I saw this video
Looks like I can improve my mix up more
gotta research it....

about NM
once they learn to duck on NM 's NSS K ; GS KK ; GS A
jump over or GI 1A

well You'll get a headache
NM will really have a hard time dealing with other character

so many player in indo already throw away NM as their main
because of this. :(

Maybe I'll be the one....some day
I hope not.....
 
cupui:

the stuff you listed are stuff that people have been doing to me for over a year and half ago.. in sc3...

maybe it's new to you, and give you headache but that type of stuff is early anti-NM stuff to me.. it's basic anti-NM, nearly everybody in HK can do the stuff above pretty consistently....

if they duck your NSS K... it's obvious you don't do the mid options enough....

GS KK should be used sparingly in the first place...

ducking GS A also means that you don't think outside of the box... stuff like GS -> FC/WS mixup... kinda makes people stop ducking your GS A....

if you wanna be a good NM player you MUST teach your opponents anti-NM... the stuff you listed... is very basic.

here's some of the more advance anti-NM... the stuff i deal with.

stepping during NSS stance transitions... this will make NM whiff certain attacks and basically shut down everything

stepping to NM's left side.... this cause nearly everything NM does to whiff including 3K

attacking NM post 3K hit since it's 0 frames advantage.

attacking NM after certain knockdowns because NM have extermely little to no frame advantage after certain common combos... like WS NSS b:A

step guard strategies

anti-tech trap strategy and anti-anti tech trap strategies...

baiting NM to do certain stance moves in order to gain block punish.
doing different HARD HITTING/launching TC moves to beat stance options... meaning... not just doing stuff like 2A to beat GS...

then to top it off.. everything you mentioned plus block punishers... are included...

to me.... if my opponent can't do the stuff above and the basic anti-NM stuff you mentioned... they are most certainly going to lose to me.... and i can guarantee that.

the real game to me is when my opponent knows anti-NM so well you are no longer winning because of NM gimmicky stuff nor are you winning because you found something to abuse. You're basically winning because you made the right calculated risk and made the right guesses.... and that's all there is to it.

if you need to rely on your opponent lack of NM knowledge to win..... most likely you'll find NM isn't the character for you.... NM needs to work harder than most characters and have to be played smarter than most. ... for example.. if you have NEVER played against your opponent before there's certain ways to test their NM knowledge without putting yourself at too much risks... you gotta learn to do those.. after you find out what they know and what they don't abuse the stuff they don't know... if they know everythign you know.. chances are you'll be doing a lot of throw attempts in your game...

-LAU
 
LAU

the advanced anti NM is sounds new to me
THX for informing and writing a long reply

when you saw my video

Frozenfang is the only player who know how to fight NM
at least....even I don't think he know the anti NM like you mentioned

but Unfortunately...looks like my community still not ready for it yet
for this anti NM strategies

they still lack of a basic stuff strategy like:

duck on high attack
side stepping ( they almost never do side stepping...imagine playing SC with 2D fighting's style )
break throw
mind game
mix up

well you can say indo player still need a long journey to be an advanced player
Even I tell them about anti NM
I don't think they'll able to understand and do that in match

even I...
I should read your post 5 times maybe to understand
the strategy you write and imagine it sigh....

I think the best way to make them learn anti night is
to find it themself by experience
but yes...It'll take a looong time :(
 
LAU said:
stepping during NSS stance transitions... this will make NM whiff certain attacks and basically shut down everything
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this is the only one I don't agree with. I could understand doing it sometimes to dodge NSS K or NSS A+B (though that hits step to one side iirc), but it hardly shuts down everything since you've still got NSS A and GS A. even if they have time to step and guard NSS A you still are not in a horrible situation. even NSS B has tracking to right side


Cupui:
here is example of how you can avoid punishment from some stuff
WS (don't attack) = every 2A in the game will miss (as far as I know)

you also gotta look at character specific stuff

vs kilik WS blocked NSS K beats all attacks that do not TC. All his TC attacks are slow to hit and lose to NSS A+B.

If he starts just blocking to punish either on guard (not that he can punish hard anyway) that means you can do WS (blocked) GS throw/WS B mixup. OR you could even just do NSS B since no one expects it lol
 
I always thought NSS bA tracked well, not to mention the speed of the move makes it hard to step guard. Though TBH I really never thought about not attacking after WS to let 2As whiff, Gonna have to start doing that.
 
Tiamat

It's true that nss b tracks to that side however if I can only resort to that at close range I lose frames on hit and compared to nm other options it is the least threat. Nss[a] doesn't really work because of step guard. Nowadays I beat this by either going into gs or just doing nss a without going back to nss

-LAU
 
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I edited your post Cupui, I'll look at your matches later.
 
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