Nightmare's Movelist Changes and Move Speculation Thread

Engared said:
I might be getting ahold of the Xiba demo on the 21st to the 23rd so if you guys want me to test anything with Nightmare, please tell me.
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Oh I've got a specific request. Can you test if we can still do B+K from crouching and how good the backstep is?
 
Schneider-X said:
Oh I've got a specific request. Can you test if we can still do B+K from crouching and how good the backstep is?
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I've seen Siegfried do 1K > 4B+K into SSH, which is exactly what we used to do with 1K > B+K NSS, so I think it's safe to assume that's still in the game.
 
so.. how do you manage to get the demo early? was there a demo announced? can we get it as well?

that said, can you find out if the old 11K is still around? i know keev said he couldn't find it but this might be a new build.
 
microgamer said:
I've seen Siegfried do 1K > 4B+K into SSH, which is exactly what we used to do with 1K > B+K NSS, so I think it's safe to assume that's still in the game.
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Yea, but we won't know if he recovers to standing or not first. This is something that is very difficult to tell based on videos alone.

Also test if you can duck the second hit of 4KK on NH.
 
micro & schneider - The problem with the Sieg 4B+K comparison is that 4B+K is a command that works from crouch, while B+K is a command that only works from crouch if there is a FC B+K command. That said, FC B+K is probably still around (no good reason why I think that though).

hteng - 11K is probably gone if no one has confirmed it yet. we'll just have to make do without it somehow.
 
hteng said:
so.. how do you manage to get the demo early? was there a demo announced? can we get it as well?

that said, can you find out if the old 11K is still around? i know keev said he couldn't find it but this might be a new build.
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I arranged a test with the Namco rep in Singapore. A couple of us will be testing the game for them to provide feedback.
 
hteng said:
so.. how do you manage to get the demo early? was there a demo announced? can we get it as well?

that said, can you find out if the old 11K is still around? i know keev said he couldn't find it but this might be a new build.
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You can do the same if you quickly contact the HK rep. Try to e-mail them or something.
 
Engared said:
You can do the same if you quickly contact the HK rep. Try to e-mail them or something.
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haha it's cool but i won't have time for testing anyway, good luck with it though, we should compile a list of things to test out.

edit: post some of the test videos too if you are allowed to
 
If you have time can you check out his wall game? That's what really pushed me towards playing Nightmare in 4. His wall combo's were so brutal in 4.
 
hteng said:
haha it's cool but i won't have time for testing anyway, good luck with it though, we should compile a list of things to test out.

edit: post some of the test videos too if you are allowed to
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Those can only come out in January. Its like a secret build :D
 
From Keev (Via Malek, Thanks Malek!):

Translated from French:

"The Build which i did play at NEC is the same that i did play in france to Paris game week.

When i did replay nightmare, i could see a good throw's range, 3B is garanted after GSK BE, 3AA is more safe because the push back is good.

I did think 4K, BE was NHC but finaly i'm not sure. If it's true, this will a very good mid because he does RO and WC. This CE was imblocable if he hits close but no. Just guard break and no break soul gauge. However there is an interesting combo with CH GSB : GSB, GSB, GS K, BE = half life

Nightmare is always unsafe (WSK, 11A new mid anti step, WSA, 3B, 2K, GSA etc.). The TC frame of GS changed because is more difficult to evade under AA with 33B GS or WSB GS. Morever GS A in hit push a lot so no throw without dash forward. I fear because Night will be strongly displayed in punishment by CE (editor's note: while in stance transition).

If he finds his former blow of zonning as 11K, 11B, 22AB or if they improve his stance B+K with some good mids as Seig's stance. Night will really competitf. I wait to be able to play the new version with Aeon and co to see if yes or no he will have new moves. I hope !!!

Ps : I'm just discover that NSS A in NC give priority. Finaly i think maybe Nightmare will be strong. Wait and see :)"

Thanks Keev! Looking forward to more :)

Edit: Can anyone find a video or Nightmare transitioning WS B into GS? I have seen it in SC5, can't remember where though.
 
It's true that gs transitions are still super unsafe. Prepare to eat a lot of random CEs if you gs too often.

It would be nice if you could do some actual testing. I was hoping I would be able to at nec, but all the machines were for playing and it was either best of 3 and done or 1 match and done, so there wasn't much chance to sit around and test anything. The only thing I was very sure to test was 4k BE nc.
 
meh, GS TC frame changed/reduced kinda sucks.

Edit: Can anyone find a video or Nightmare transitioning WS B into GS? I have seen it in SC5, can't remember where though.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=OAoshLrtbh4#t=1525s

seems GS doesn't go low enough, or maybe NM is just big.

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lol that horn should pierce Leixia's head.
 
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