Raphael General Discussion / Q&A

[Delloso]

Is any Raph player going to Final Round on march?

 

[Gamegenie222]

I have no money cause I have no job otherwise I would go with FG players in my area.

 

[WuHT]

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We have matchup threads, but no master compendium for punishment data.

Btw, we'd prefer you use (B) to denote holding B to enter prep stance. I type 3(B)~prepBB rather than 3B~BB half out of habit and also to make it easier for newer players to understand

 

[Icarii]

Sure, I'll use that notation in the future.

Also, I'll go ahead and start a punishment thread tomorrow. I started doing Phyrra's data, but I also feel it's important to consider how I'll organize it and also add some additional notes as needed.

 

[WuHT]

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It'll be easier to arrange by Raphael's punishment speed. Start listing the moves punishable by i12, then i13, then i14.. and continue downwards as the opponent's moves get more unsafe

 

[Icarii]

The Punishment guide has been updated with the "sloppy" version of the Mitsurugi data(yet still a more up to date version than I posted in this thread.) Be sure to take a look and ask questions as I format it and move on to the next character. You can expect it to include the same kind of button mapping visuals that the first part of the guide uses.

 

[Kojiro_Kirijo]

Would someone be kind enough to remind me of the buttons that are to be mashed during the 66A+G throw in order to regain life ?

 

[Real_Bojack]

Would someone be kind enough to remind me of the buttons that are to be mashed during the 66A+G throw in order to regain life ?

Who cares really? Mash EVERYTHING. Hell, if you're sitting next to your opp mash their buttons too. More fun that way.

 

[Kojiro_Kirijo]

M'kay thanks. I just wanted to make sure it was about mashing'em all.

 

[Slade]

Apparently Project Soul didn't do a very good job patching out full-crouch poke guard bursts. You can break with Raphael's 2B by doing 2G → RCC 2B. Don't ask why it works, it just does.

Edit: Apparently it doesn't have to do with the RCC, because I've gotten FC B to break also. The way it seems to work is that [2]B will NOT break guard, but 2B will. Hold on, I'm still testing exactly what inputs get this to work. If I can find a pattern, hopefully I can pin down what causes this.

Spoiler

These inputs DO NOT break guard (stars indicate nothing and are placeholders because this forum truncates empty spaces):


and


and


and


and


and

EDIT: I just got this one to work. It appears the speed of the input matters as well. That means this can't be fully explored without P-Stick magic and whatnot.



These inputs DO break guard:
(can give either FC B or 2B, seems to be the most consistent for causing the
guard burst)
and


and


and

So far, I think it boils down to the:


input at the core of whatever causes this, and the rest were just "junk" inputs that don't interfere.

EDIT: Possible breakthrough. From a crouch state, this input for FC B will NEVER burst guard:


but this one will:



And for standing 2B burst, it seems to be caused by entering a crouch state, immediately leaving, and doing 2B, meaning a fast input of:



I can't confirm any further without programmable stick magic that I don't have access to. If someone has Noodalls on call, this is more his area of expertise.