SC Community needs to move on....

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Dr.Dogg: Well at the time G.A.M.M.E was on my mind because it offers alot to SC in a number of different ways such as G.A.M.M.E being a potential home to SC Nationals. That would make it a large scale focus on SC just like Cannes. Devastation is still good as a major for SC though.

DEVASTATION would be fine with hosting the SC4 Nats as well. In fact, we already communicate with Namco on a regular basis and would probably be able to get an early build of SC5 depending on when it comes out (we had early builds of T6 and KoF12 last year). Not sure what else GAMME is offering, but DEV will continue to support the SC community so long as the community comes out to the event(s).

The scene is bigger than it was in SC3, and that game wasn't "dead".

We can still pull people at real, planned out majors.

Dont give up on Evo, or anything for that matter.
BlazBlue (before getting dropped by Evo) was picked as a main game BECAUSE they had a huge 180-man side tournament.

Giving up on Evo is like Football players giving up on the superbowl, or Tennis players giving up on Grand Slams.
You can't quit the fight!

I disagree. Last year BB was too new to get into EVO (as far as when the console version hit). EVO generally gives new, mainstream games a chance each year. This year was BB: CT due to it's late release last year. I don't think the side tournament had much to do with it's inclusion.
 
The Toronto scene is Alive and well. Jus because we haven't had a tournament in Two Months does not mean we still don't play the game. People forget we have lives, and basically I'M the only one capable of planning and organizing Tourneys (outside Russ/Oof); but what ends up happening is if one person can't run it, no one will.

At the same time, check out our sub-forum on 8wayrun. I think we've had 2 new players for each week of of this year. Dead Game?! I think not...

The fact that other US cities have "moved" on in terms of what games they play, doesn't really mean much. There is an abundance of great games to play (fg and no-fg) and just because people don't play a game does not mean its dead. We're just not as alive as the other communities.

With that said, clearly we have some Major Tourneys which will have major interesting results. Cannes, Gamme, DEV, and possible Evo side-tourney.

If what everyone is asking is for some sort of organized Nationals, then what are we waiting for, I would love to use Orlando as our place of NATS.

3v3 NATS tourney?! NATS singles x2?!?! I'm sure France would be hella interested in attending a $2000 tourney, that is, unless, they are saving for Evo.

With me!? Okay, then I will organize.

REPS - IDLEMIND/DINO/KDZ since these guys know whats up.
Subs - Jaxel? Cha Cha? DFG?
 
for anyone who doesn't know, the real reason BB got dropped from Evo is because everyone is playing the new one on their laptops
 
Also just want to add the scheduling of majors tournaments shouldn't be so shitty, like last year EVO and Nats were way to close to each other.
 
Has anyone talked to ShinBlanka about getting SC at Final Round?

I've run the soul calibur tournament at Final Round 4 or 5 years straight until this year since we're not in the lineup. And Final Round unlike EVO has never wavered in its support for soul calibur since SC2. And do you know the reason why sc4 got dropped? yes because the community has never supported soul calibur at FR.

And I can say that because we've never gotten more than 50-55 people at a Final Round tourny. And what's worse as big as Final Round is every year it gets shitted on by a lot of soul players nationwide. I promised Larry this past year would be different sc4 was still fresh and hot plus the potential for online players and shit. And to top it off that wack ass seasons beatings tourny had over 80 players turnout. So why shouldn't FR with its history of support and strong player base. But online players dont go to tournies and some of the same people posting in this thread tell me they can't go cuz they're saving for wack ass EVO which is 3 MONTHS after FR. Well we only had 42 enter I think and then we have shitheads in the results thread talking shit about the turnout wasn't bigger than a monthly. WELL NO SHIT! If I was shinblanka I would've dropped it too.

EVO will continue to fuck da community wit no grease and u monkey EVO groupies like it. And in the meantime neglecting to support the tournies that actually make an effort for us just kills the community on top of the bickering(ban or don't ban) overall unpopularity and disdain held by a lot of people for the best fighting game there is.
 
I've run the soul calibur tournament at Final Round 4 or 5 years straight until this year since we're not in the lineup. And Final Round unlike EVO has never wavered in its support for soul calibur since SC2. And do you know the reason why sc4 got dropped? yes because the community has never supported soul calibur at FR.

And I can say that because we've never gotten more than 50-55 people at a Final Round tourny. And what's worse as big as Final Round is every year it gets shitted on by a lot of soul players nationwide. I promised Larry this past year would be different sc4 was still fresh and hot plus the potential for online players and shit. And to top it off that wack ass seasons beatings tourny had over 80 players turnout. So why shouldn't FR with its history of support and strong player base. But online players dont go to tournies and some of the same people posting in this thread tell me they can't go cuz they're saving for wack ass EVO which is 3 MONTHS after FR. Well we only had 42 enter I think and then we have shitheads in the results thread talking shit about the turnout wasn't bigger than a monthly. WELL NO SHIT! If I was shinblanka I would've dropped it too.

EVO will continue to fuck da community wit no grease and u monkey EVO groupies like it. And in the meantime neglecting to support the tournies that actually make an effort for us just kills the community on top of the bickering(ban or don't ban) overall unpopularity and disdain held by a lot of people for the best fighting game there is.
Okay, hold on a minute. There are a lot of options when it comes to tournaments. There are so many major ones per year as well. And considering we have always had less players than Street Fighter and Tekken, you can't actually expect the majority of players to show up to every major available. Then you get upset because they didn't go to your major? That doesn't make sense. The traffic right now is focused on France. After that who knows. We all have to agree upon ourselves where to go each time. Getting angry that certain events don't get attention while others do is just unproductive.
 
Okay... see now I'm torn... On the one hand, I want to go to EVO; just because I've never went and it will sure be an experience. On the other hand, I'm seeing that we really need to give support to the major Soulcalibur events going around the country. With TWO major Soulcalibur tournaments happening during EVO time, I'm thinking of cancelling my trip to EVO and instead going to GAMME in Florida.

GAMME is a REAL Soulcalibur tournament, run by Idlemind... So I'm thinking, if we really want to show EVO off; lets have a big MAJOR tournament elsewhere, so at least they can think "Oh fuck, we should have had SC4, we would have had more people coming to EVO, since they are so much more diverse than us!". So yeah, I'm thinking I'm gonna cancel my room at EVO and instead book a flight to Florida... anyone wanna house me and my crew?
 
damnit dreams crushed of a vegas tournament...So wanted that to be my landmarker for improvement. Maybe I'll have th ability to go out of state for Devastation....fuck...I'm still gonna look for SC players at evo.
 
GAMME is a REAL Soulcalibur tournament, run by Idlemind... So I'm thinking, if we really want to show EVO off; lets have a big MAJOR tournament elsewhere, so at least they can think "Oh fuck, we should have had SC4, we would have had more people coming to EVO, since they are so much more diverse than us!". So yeah, I'm thinking I'm gonna cancel my room at EVO and instead book a flight to Florida... anyone wanna house me and my crew?

With GAMME's prize pots I can understand the hype for it, but your post implies that DEV is not a "REAL Soulcalibur tournament". If this is indeed what you're implying could you please explain what makes DEV any less of a "REAL Soulcalibur tournament" when compared to GAMME?

I would really like to see a big turnout at DEV this year, especially with SC4 not being at EVO now. So if you feel something is not right about DEV please let me know and that will be addressed (although I can't think of anything so I'm at a loss here...).


I definitely understand. I had similar feelings about DEVASTATION last year when I was trying to get prize money on SC4 (we had $10k in prize money but none of it ended up going to SC4). The community was all about EVO and seemed to ignore a lot of the other majors. But that's what happens when EVO gets involved after such a long hiatus.

I think FR suffered last year due to the Regional qualifiers. In my opinion they were done poorly and over-saturated the tournament scene, which had an impact on Nats, DEV, FR and many other majors. It may be too late to fix the problem and get SC4 in FR this year, but I don't think it's something that would happen again if SC5 was included in a future FR. FR is big and people will support it.

damnit dreams crushed of a vegas tournament...So wanted that to be my landmarker for improvement. Maybe I'll have th ability to go out of state for Devastation....fuck...I'm still gonna look for SC players at evo.

Vegas is only 4 hours from Phoenix. Not sure what the scene is like now, but I know several Vegas SF, Smash and Tekken players were at DEVASTATION last year. You could probably roll down with someone.
 
I've run the soul calibur tournament at Final Round 4 or 5 years straight until this year since we're not in the lineup. And Final Round unlike EVO has never wavered in its support for soul calibur since SC2. And do you know the reason why sc4 got dropped? yes because the community has never supported soul calibur at FR.

And I can say that because we've never gotten more than 50-55 people at a Final Round tourny. And what's worse as big as Final Round is every year it gets shitted on by a lot of soul players nationwide. I promised Larry this past year would be different sc4 was still fresh and hot plus the potential for online players and shit. And to top it off that wack ass seasons beatings tourny had over 80 players turnout. So why shouldn't FR with its history of support and strong player base. But online players dont go to tournies and some of the same people posting in this thread tell me they can't go cuz they're saving for wack ass EVO which is 3 MONTHS after FR. Well we only had 42 enter I think and then we have shitheads in the results thread talking shit about the turnout wasn't bigger than a monthly. WELL NO SHIT! If I was shinblanka I would've dropped it too.

EVO will continue to fuck da community wit no grease and u monkey EVO groupies like it. And in the meantime neglecting to support the tournies that actually make an effort for us just kills the community on top of the bickering(ban or don't ban) overall unpopularity and disdain held by a lot of people for the best fighting game there is.


wow, hold on my post wasn't to intend to attack FR. I haven't been to one. I only mentioned that i didn't add it to my list was because of the SIMPLE fact that it was dropped from the line-up. That is all. Also, Dr. Dogg is right, the attendance may have been inpacted due to the Regionals that have taken place and the rules that were set against them. You can't control that, technically. However if you made it as a Regional, then you are equally to blame because you all KNEW the rules that needed to happen.

EITHER WAY IT GOES, NO ONE IS ATTACKING FINAL ROUND. So stop getting all defensive about it.

tbh, i think this communities problem is that who thinks what should/shouldn't be banned in the game. As i have explained before, i wasn't in charge of everything. So i can't make up my reasons why things should/shouldn't be banned. I'm not going into details on what should've happened. But at this point in the game we need to continue on and revive the dead scenes. And THAT is going to take total community effort. Like it or not, they don't look at us as a community, so now we need to take that note and make us stronger than ever before.
 
I was going to create a new thread, so I will just say what I need to say here.

Something-Unique: I'm not trying to be difficult, but you are by trying to do what you want instead of listening to what I'm trying to suggest to you. If you want people to come to GAMME, post in the thread for it. We both want the same thing, and now it's starting to get some hype behind it, so start posting there and keep the hype going.

Before we start suggesting to people on where to go, we all need to get people to first start playing this game offline and have fun doing so. SC4 is alot of fun. You guys need to be playing it OFFLINE. It's also up to everyone in each region to keep things going because we can't expect mad people to show up for majors when there isn't much going on in their region unless they are really good at this game.

It's also time for everyone to get on board and use the ruleset the east coast is currently using for Soul Calibur. I know everyone has their opinion on Hilde and Algol, but they do not make this game fun to play on a tournament level, and I am sure as hell not flying somewhere to fight against them when I will certainly lose.

I have been waiting patiently for Namco to do something to this game, but they have clearly showed that their support isn't going to go beyond a few patches or give a damn about this game otherwise. I know it sucks for those who started off with them, but we need to think about the big picture if we want to keep this game alive since who knows when a new one will be out. As for comparing Hilde to Sagat, Sagat is beatable, plus there's mad scrubs who are willing to enter in tournaments for SF4 and not so much for SC4.

And I have also seen the difference for my own eyes when we implemented the rules at Jaxel's then went back to allowing everyone for the last tourney at Jaxel's that no one really showed up to and for NEC which no one really showed up to or had any hype for. As long as we don't have a single ruleset, it's going to continue to hurt us.

I always felt that SC4 wasn't going to be at EVO because the east coast is the only region that still holds tournaments and anywhere else that has SC4 barely has a turnout. But I still wanted to see it return to the lineup because I was looking to go this year. But if they wanted us there at EVO, they would have just added the game to the lineup and not put it up in a vote where we would certainly lose.

I'm not going to tell people what they should do, but I'm not going to EVO. That lineup is whack as shit. Plus it's counterproductive for us as a community to have people come all the way out there for a side tournament when there's two majors that want us there that they could and should go to. Let me repeat, they want us there. So if you can, you should try to make it out to one or those or maybe both if you are able to do so.

Now that SC4 is officially not at EVO, I am going back to what I suggested to do back in August of last year which is to hold the national tournament or whatever you want to call it at GAMME since the pot is at $2000. I don't know why people weren't for it back then, so maybe you will be for it now. Plus I want to see people from other countries to come out, and it would be better to have them come to Orlando instead of Vegas for a side tourney.

I wish I could make it out also to Devastation, but that's dependent on my budget and being able to take time off. Once I know what my budget is, I will have a better idea. But I hope to see you guys at wherever I can make it because SC4 is awesome without Hilde and Algol and more fun to play than these other fighting games. So let's start putting these ideas into motion.
 
As a suggestion for SC5, majors are a good place to hold regionals. Basically majors tend to have guaranteed cash so it raises the incentive for people to show up. So two tournaments are ran, the major tournament and a side regional tournament. That way majors get better support.
 
I'm just going to say this....

If button binding is still allowed, i'm going to start binding paired commands on my stick :D

if a rule is out, it HAS to be universal. Period

Better start dealing with my ass playing Hilde on a stick :D

EDIT: i'm not trying to be a smartass (ok...yea i was...)

But to be serious. People have their opinions on why Hilde/Algol should be banned. I wanna ask this simple question. Does it hurt to try this ruleset nationwide? You all act as if you're wanting to do something for this community, but when an idea (despite weather you like it or not) that could very well be BENEFICIAL for this community. to those of you that reject the idea of banning Hilde/Algol immediately jump back on that bandwagon of "you don't know how to deal with it, just learn to fight against it blah blah blah."

However, when it comes to banning the button binds (and this is coming from a pad player) i bet not many people would have problems playing against hilde. So...not to get too much off of topic. As a community, we're ALL going to have to do things we don't wanna do. Personally i'd say this as a way to at least get things going.

Binding buttons should NOT be allowed, however Characters like Algol/Hilde WILL be allowed.
(the reason why i word it like that is because there has to be 2 sides to every rule)

And i mean what i say, that if a rule should be in place, it HAS to be across the board. Because if you allow the binds, expect a stick player (yea..that's me too) like me to start macroing buttons for that bitch (and yes, i'm beginning to do so :D)
 
Sup Hy and CNP thank u for responding to the main reason behind this thread.

Malice: I created this thread for the reason stated. Let the people who want to respond, respond. This thread does not infringe upon wrong placement. Its also in the most active part of SC4 related info.

The main reason i'm even responding once again is thanking the above mentioned and... Leave that East Coast Tri-State bullshit bans where it is. When I go out to GAMME and or DEV, etc. I want to play the best Ceirnian, RTD, and whatever other Hilde's and Algols. I don't go to the current East Coast tournaments for that very reason. Last but not least NEC10's attendance had absolutely nothing to do with Hilde/Algol. Be objective with ur info and provide proof otherwise throw those accusations out the window.

Finally if it wasn't for this thread the GAMME thread would still be empty. Something to think about.
 
I'm just going to say this....
Binding buttons should NOT be allowed, however Characters like Algol/Hilde WILL be allowed.
(the reason why i word it like that is because there has to be 2 sides to every rule)

And i mean what i say, that if a rule should be in place, it HAS to be across the board. Because if you allow the binds, expect a stick player (yea..that's me too) like me to start macroing buttons for that bitch (and yes, i'm beginning to do so :D)

This. I agree with this.

I will say HOWEVER, when we discussed this on the EC, it was about numbers. We lose LESS people banning Hilde/Algol than banning button binds. Personally, I think without binds the really, really stupid shit you see about Hilde goes away, but its not on that "this character is banned" level that most people see. Also, it has a side effect of alienating pad players who have been playing with binds since the start of the game.

It's a tough situation.

-Idle
 
I'm already having difficulty switching to the ps3 controller, losing button binds would be the straw that broke the camel's back (sorry for the cliche).
 
Yo Shadow I understand completely. I never understood why no one showed up to FR strong for it. On the other hand I planned on flying out there for FR again. Is there a possiblity that there could be a side tourney. (Not the place to ask but might as well.)
 
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