That's definitely not true...
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That's definitely not true...
TsunamiBye
[14] Master
Bragging, shit-talking, smart mouthing, superiority complex, etc.
Looks like offline and online players get along pretty well.*sigh* *shrugs*
Anyways, I wish GAMME was a lot more closer to my house.
I would so go and experience offline while having a lot of fun.
Isn't that what counts, guys?
Looks like offline and online players get along pretty well.*sigh* *shrugs*
Anyways, I wish GAMME was a lot more closer to my house.
I would so go and experience offline while having a lot of fun.
Isn't that what counts, guys?
MONEYMUFFINS
[13] Hero
Okay, now THIS is just bullshit. I can literally prove when people were saying only great things about SC4 Kilik, back before 8wayrun had even existed. And now you wanna talk about SC3. Well, whatchu gon tell me about SC in a time you did not experience?
RTD
SC4 International Champ
lol
what!!! KDZ, Something-Unique, Oofmatic, and Thugish_pond own Hilde and Algol for free. They got famous from beating them. Now they are called the "HILDE KILLERS".
I'm not sure if you want to achieve balance, get rid of all of the annoying characters, or stop nOObs from crying, but if you ban one character in the top tier list, you might as well just get rid of all of them.
For starters, look at Team top tier whores, oops, I'm mean Team USA(Amy, Voldo, Cass, Hilde and Kilik)
We've been winning tournaments with these characters since the game came out. If you look at previous tournament results, you'll notice that these characters have won a lot more tournaments than Hilde. That's because the other top tier characters are more well rounded with less weaknesses btw.
So if you ban Hilde/Algol, at least finish what you've started and ban Voldo, Cass, Kilik, and that annoying little bitch Amy.
And just to let you know man, from me personally, you are jeopardizing the success of your country because now instead of me playing and getting ready to represent Team USA, I'm spending time trying to justify playing the only character that has a cowboy hat - my true love. How do you expect me to stay motivated and focused when I have to worry about losing my ho after ALLLL this time?
ShenYuan: wow. it takes a Hilde player to fully appreciate that assessment. based off that post alone, I'd love to play you Hilde vs. Hilde.
Something-Unique
[10] Knight
In France Kilik has no presence. Meaning placement in tournaments. In fact I remember the French not thinking much of him until they came over here and played mine over the course of the time they were here.
In the U.S. Kilik had no presence except for Me and Wing-Zero overall. Even during Wing-Zero's time before he quit he was still on the same plain as Cassandra, Sophitia, etc. in SC4.
Kilik didn't begin rising up the ranks until I continued using him after Wing-Zero left. But even that was nothing. Kilik moved higher on people's opinions and the tier list after my debut at Nationals. I remember it like it was yesterday. I'm not bragging. Its the truth. Shit even Omega was super suprised when he saw my Kilik and I believe he has one out there in DR or had.
Ur an online player who hasn't been around offline so it kind of leaves u behind when it comes to info.
Original Tier Thread:
http://www.8wayrun.com/f21/1-03-tier-list-discussion-t996/ Read that entire thread besides the first post which was edited over time as a (For example Tiamat lists on the 1st post was edited to move Kilik up much later in the game). Then come back and tell me what the original overall consensus was about SC4 Kilik.
Tier Thread Part 2:
This is when Kilik starting rising in the ranks. Again u have to read through the thread as the first couple is revisions to lists over time. There were very few people who even saw Kilik that high until much later in the game. so read and then come back and tell me what the original overall consensus was about SC4 Kilik
I didn't need to experience SC3. The reason; I was informed by my SC peers from this game who used to be in SC3 that he was playable lower upper middish like Tiamat mentioned/top mid. In fact I forgot what session it was but I played SC3 with Dreamkiller and Ramon and realized all his shit that people complain about was the exact same and in some respects worse like I mentioned in my previous post. No one mentioned him ever though in regards to tournaments. Xianghua, Sophitia, Ivy, Astaroth, Cassandra, Setsuka, Mitsurugi for example are some of the characters who phased him out in SC3 and maybe more that I can't remember at the moment. No one mentioned Kilik and no one cared about Kilik.
Kilik didn't change besides Asura countering mids in SC4 (All the properties like tech jumps and damage are the exact same). 1B was buffed. Everything else was for the most part nerfed. His SC4 aB is crap to his SC3 aA from what I understand and saw for myself. His FOTD had good ring out range and did more damage. His 66B was better because it was more consistent with the AT animation and I think it did more damage.
Most of the top in SC3 got nerfed he remained roughly the same. He is next in line for bitching when he starts winning. Shit even ur idiot of a friend DINO thought he was trash and probably still does. I remember his statement correctly. Something like this "Kilik is weak because he is to telegraphed or something to that extent" lol.
RTD: They don't care its futile and ur expendable. Thats the jist of the disrespect I get from them.
MONEYMUFFINS
[13] Hero
Something-Unique:
First thing's first. You stated that Kilik "was considered garbage." You did not say anything about original overall consensus. That being said, it doesn't matter, because the "original" opinions actually begin here:
http://caliburforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33757&page=34
September 2008. Around this time, we start talking about when the game was first patched. This is the very beginning of the SC4 Kilik we know today. Sift through these pages and you'll find several posters saying just how good they think Kilik is on the tier list. Some of them are: Angrel, Jag, Sword, Jinmaster, Dreamkiller. Obviously, there wasn't a "consensus" on Kilik being great. There were disagreements. However, going by what you said, "considered garbage", that is clearly the opposite happening.
First thing's first. You stated that Kilik "was considered garbage." You did not say anything about original overall consensus. That being said, it doesn't matter, because the "original" opinions actually begin here:
http://caliburforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33757&page=34
September 2008. Around this time, we start talking about when the game was first patched. This is the very beginning of the SC4 Kilik we know today. Sift through these pages and you'll find several posters saying just how good they think Kilik is on the tier list. Some of them are: Angrel, Jag, Sword, Jinmaster, Dreamkiller. Obviously, there wasn't a "consensus" on Kilik being great. There were disagreements. However, going by what you said, "considered garbage", that is clearly the opposite happening.
IdleMind
BANNED FOREVER
I just want to say that I am pissed off about the way this whole game has turned out.
On the community level, things were so badly handled.
Just a few examples:
1) No one is clearly in charge here. Jaxel owns the website and does a great deal for the community, but I don't think anyone really thinks he's WCMaxi handing down edicts. We have no central authority of any kind.
2) Nationals was mishandled badly in the planning, took 6+ months to do all the qualifiers? Thus putting NAT's in competition with EVO? Great job. Let's not even talk about what happened at NAT's itself.
3) Algol ban frenzy took our will to do anything away because we jumped the gun on him, and I think we all know that. By the time Hilde came up, we already were bleeding players from that poor decision and suddenly went from being decisive and cocksure to pansies who feared another backlash.
4) During all this strife, SF4 comes out and punches our community right in the chest. Kicked us while we were down (we put ourselves in that position!).
This game, imo, had alot more potential that was wasted. Our community image is bad, the game image is bad to outsiders. We bled players early and never recovered them. What a fucking waste in my eyes =\
TL:DR- I'm pissed off at how this all turned out, like so many others.
-Idle
On the community level, things were so badly handled.
Just a few examples:
1) No one is clearly in charge here. Jaxel owns the website and does a great deal for the community, but I don't think anyone really thinks he's WCMaxi handing down edicts. We have no central authority of any kind.
2) Nationals was mishandled badly in the planning, took 6+ months to do all the qualifiers? Thus putting NAT's in competition with EVO? Great job. Let's not even talk about what happened at NAT's itself.
3) Algol ban frenzy took our will to do anything away because we jumped the gun on him, and I think we all know that. By the time Hilde came up, we already were bleeding players from that poor decision and suddenly went from being decisive and cocksure to pansies who feared another backlash.
4) During all this strife, SF4 comes out and punches our community right in the chest. Kicked us while we were down (we put ourselves in that position!).
This game, imo, had alot more potential that was wasted. Our community image is bad, the game image is bad to outsiders. We bled players early and never recovered them. What a fucking waste in my eyes =\
TL:DR- I'm pissed off at how this all turned out, like so many others.
-Idle
Something-Unique
[10] Knight
Poor choice of a word on my part but if u notice in the post that u quoted at the end I stated trash mid in SC3 and mid in this game. Give or take poor choice of word on my part "garbage" he was still considered Mid-Lower Upper Mid.
Tiers do however fall in line with original overall consensus. That should be self-explanatory.
Regardless that thread is nice and didn't know it existed but it still falls in line with my statement. Other than a few the "consensus" was that he wasn't great for a long time. Plus he never changed from his SC3 counterpart.
That just fuels the fact that again people complain about who is next in line and when he/she begins winning.
MONEYMUFFINS
[13] Hero
IdleMind: I'm happy the way it turned out. My almighty Hwang was removed, but it forced me slowly to power up a new main. I have lots of fellow competitors in TO because I kept at it along with them. And I learned so much from this new engine that is SC4. It seems everything fell into place. Hilde/Algol are banned now just like VC got banned in SC3. Sexy! I wish Hilde and Algol better luck next time since their character design is important to learn from. It's just too bad Namco didn't make the rest of the cast compete properly, haha.
S-U: I can't change your mind, I just wanted to inform you. You should know that I personally think Kilik was DEFINITELY top tier in SC3. Luckily, I had the great fortune of playing an excellent Kilik in my local area. Him and I used to compete with each other endlessly. I am very sad to see that you two will never play, as he quit Soul a long time ago.
S-U: I can't change your mind, I just wanted to inform you. You should know that I personally think Kilik was DEFINITELY top tier in SC3. Luckily, I had the great fortune of playing an excellent Kilik in my local area. Him and I used to compete with each other endlessly. I am very sad to see that you two will never play, as he quit Soul a long time ago.
Ooofmatic
World Warrior
SC3 Kilik was top tier. I'd rather fight SC4 Kilik over SC3 Kilik anyday. aA (or how I called it, "gay-slide-gay") was too good. That shit did so much damage and even though it was a high it consistently hit out tech crouch moves because of it's goofy hit properties. God I hated Kilik because of that move. >_>
And yes, Nizer was beast.
And yes, Nizer was beast.
Something-Unique
[10] Knight
Fair enough. Point made. I just wish there wasn't so many crybaby's in this game.
Here goes 4 recent results since the Hilde ban on the East Coast RTD, Ceirnian to show u just how unjustified the bans have been thus far.
http://www.8wayrun.com/f5/tournament-battlegrounds-of-new-england-results-t6959/ 8 People [Most Recent]
http://www.8wayrun.com/f5/phoenix-revival-monthly-results-t6940/ 8 People [2nd Most Recent]
http://www.8wayrun.com/f5/january-grand-master-monthly-results-t6834/ 11 People [3rd Most Recent]
http://www.8wayrun.com/f5/tiny-house-results-t6889/ 16 People [4th Most Recent]
No change and in fact there is less people (Cold Hard Truth :)). The same heads that used to show are still there. Minor analysis is the recent snowstorm played a small role in less at the "pheonix revival monthly".
Side Note: There is no cash that i'm missing out on thus far (tailored towards Malice and IdleMind based on comments from earlier in the thread).
I heard it was beast. Right now his highs are ass. I want that move back.
IdleMind
BANNED FOREVER
Hey if you consider an 8 man tournament where 1st place got paid 120$ a waste of your time, then you is a rich man. Oh man! that happened yesterday! (PS: Yesterdays tournament was also the day before Valentines day. That unfortunately affects turnout too)
-Idle
Something-Unique
[10] Knight
Don't forget the amount of cash it takes to get out there and back :). also 100.00 Guaranteed and the best the competitors can get over that is 20.00. Beyond laughable. Consider me a rich man then lol. Bigger than that though is the turnout. Lmao. Hilde ban it is. cause she gets less when she is banned.
IdleMind
BANNED FOREVER
So you didn't get paid, is all I'm really hearing here. Have fun with your moral superiority.
Consequently 8 is better than the last NorCal tournament in 3 months which was... 0
8 is better than the last tournament in ATL in 3 months... which was 0.
You see where I'm going with this?
-Idle
Consequently 8 is better than the last NorCal tournament in 3 months which was... 0
8 is better than the last tournament in ATL in 3 months... which was 0.
You see where I'm going with this?
-Idle
Tiamat
[11] Champion
SU: I do remember SHADOWFOX did very well using kilik in SC3 tournies for a while, he placed top 3 in a good number I believe (won a couple maybe?). He even beat KrayzieCD once in tourney.
Something-Unique
[10] Knight
Idle: Hilde ban unjustified. Tournaments being run now = no money. Your attempting to make what is bad sound good. Thats what I see.
Also 8 vs. 20+ in its own region = negative not positive. I see no change in those regions u speak of. Compare numbers to the numbers in the same region makes more sense.
Hence our region used to be 20+. Our region now after Hilde ban 8 and less. Don't be a business man that makes whatever he can sound good when its not.
MY JOB PAYS ME AND WELL :). YOUR FUTURE TOURNAMENTS WITH MAJOR PAYOUTS WILL PAY ME EXTRA!
Tiamat: Nice! I heard he was beast back in the day.
Also 8 vs. 20+ in its own region = negative not positive. I see no change in those regions u speak of. Compare numbers to the numbers in the same region makes more sense.
Hence our region used to be 20+. Our region now after Hilde ban 8 and less. Don't be a business man that makes whatever he can sound good when its not.
MY JOB PAYS ME AND WELL :). YOUR FUTURE TOURNAMENTS WITH MAJOR PAYOUTS WILL PAY ME EXTRA!
Tiamat: Nice! I heard he was beast back in the day.
Jian
Like Gin and Tonic
Omar, you're trolling at this point.
The two most recent tournaments you quoted had two outside real life considerations that need to be taken in account.
1. Ramon's tournament was snowed in, we had DE, NJ and Philly willing to show up but when your area has a foot of snow on the road, I'd be hard pressed to ask you drive in that condition, considering it was still SNOWING at the day and time of the tournament.
2. I knew my tournament would have a low turnout due to Valentine's Day, it's a Holiday weekend most people would've gone out with their girlfriends or chilled with their boys or girls for Singles Awareness Day, if I didn't have a tournament to run, I probably would've gone out and partied too.
Omar this is what you sound like.
"You host a tournament on Christmas eve when it's snowing but you made the rule that changes the timer 60 seconds to 99 seconds . You got a low turnout, obviously the fact you changed the round timer from 60 seconds to 99 seconds is the reason you got a low turn out."
The two most recent tournaments you quoted had two outside real life considerations that need to be taken in account.
1. Ramon's tournament was snowed in, we had DE, NJ and Philly willing to show up but when your area has a foot of snow on the road, I'd be hard pressed to ask you drive in that condition, considering it was still SNOWING at the day and time of the tournament.
2. I knew my tournament would have a low turnout due to Valentine's Day, it's a Holiday weekend most people would've gone out with their girlfriends or chilled with their boys or girls for Singles Awareness Day, if I didn't have a tournament to run, I probably would've gone out and partied too.
Omar this is what you sound like.
"You host a tournament on Christmas eve when it's snowing but you made the rule that changes the timer 60 seconds to 99 seconds . You got a low turnout, obviously the fact you changed the round timer from 60 seconds to 99 seconds is the reason you got a low turn out."
Malice
Super Moderator
Something-Unique: I don't know why you don't just go play SF4 since you are about that chedda and $120 ain't worth your time. Do that and stop trolling. Or just play the damn lottery since you aren't doing anything to try and keep this community together.
I just wish Namco gave us a game that we can play competitively and not cry about it. That way, we don't have to ban anything and people won't have to bitch. Unfortunately, that's not the case.
I don't why I keep posting, but if we didn't do something to this game, there would be 0 tournaments for it. Let me make this more clear for you, ZERO. In case you missed it, no where else in the USA runs tourneys for SC4 regularly except on the east coast.
But shit, the east had 4 tournaments in consecutive weeks for this game, with another coming up on the 27th. That's great compared to everywhere else having none. I'll make this more simple, 4 > 0.
Plus there probably would be more of a turnout if we just had one tournament everyone shows up for instead of so many consecutive ones plus two snowstorms that kept alot of NJ/PA from coming and bringing people from NY since you guys don't have any cars, plus Valentine's Day is this weekend which will effect the turnout as well.
And the thing is you can't make it out to tourneys for SC4 on your own anyway. Unless I am mistaken, you need a community to help you get to one like the community who is actually running and coming out to play SC4 and the one that is helping you get to France, so I don't know why you are so against what is helping to keep what's left of this community playing this game competitively since so many have already quit.
I wish things were different, but there is a reason why people play Hilde on a PlayStation pad and not on a stick and that shit is gay. And if that shit was still in the game, I would have quit a long time ago like everyone else, but I am still here because I love this game and want to stay a part of this community.
I wish this ban was handled better, but the ban is not unjustified. Live with it and move on.
So that's all I got to say. I am going to go back to having fun with this game. You guys keep on trolling.
I just wish Namco gave us a game that we can play competitively and not cry about it. That way, we don't have to ban anything and people won't have to bitch. Unfortunately, that's not the case.
I don't why I keep posting, but if we didn't do something to this game, there would be 0 tournaments for it. Let me make this more clear for you, ZERO. In case you missed it, no where else in the USA runs tourneys for SC4 regularly except on the east coast.
But shit, the east had 4 tournaments in consecutive weeks for this game, with another coming up on the 27th. That's great compared to everywhere else having none. I'll make this more simple, 4 > 0.
Plus there probably would be more of a turnout if we just had one tournament everyone shows up for instead of so many consecutive ones plus two snowstorms that kept alot of NJ/PA from coming and bringing people from NY since you guys don't have any cars, plus Valentine's Day is this weekend which will effect the turnout as well.
And the thing is you can't make it out to tourneys for SC4 on your own anyway. Unless I am mistaken, you need a community to help you get to one like the community who is actually running and coming out to play SC4 and the one that is helping you get to France, so I don't know why you are so against what is helping to keep what's left of this community playing this game competitively since so many have already quit.
I wish things were different, but there is a reason why people play Hilde on a PlayStation pad and not on a stick and that shit is gay. And if that shit was still in the game, I would have quit a long time ago like everyone else, but I am still here because I love this game and want to stay a part of this community.
I wish this ban was handled better, but the ban is not unjustified. Live with it and move on.
So that's all I got to say. I am going to go back to having fun with this game. You guys keep on trolling.
MONEYMUFFINS
[13] Hero
Wonderful post, Malice. Welcome back! Haha
Okay, it's time this thread come to a close and we focus on something productive. That is, improving our mentality and thought process about the game. Hell yeah! I watched an interview about Karma. I think this may just teach one how to be more "present" in games with Calibur so you can WIN/LEARN/SUCCEED better, whatever you want. This reminds me of the game theory I posted in tactics forum. http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/shairfield3.htm
Okay, it's time this thread come to a close and we focus on something productive. That is, improving our mentality and thought process about the game. Hell yeah! I watched an interview about Karma. I think this may just teach one how to be more "present" in games with Calibur so you can WIN/LEARN/SUCCEED better, whatever you want. This reminds me of the game theory I posted in tactics forum. http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/shairfield3.htm
DrDogg
[09] Warrior
Good thing this will all be fixed when Namco announces Soul Calibur V at E3.
Given the fact that they posted poor fiscal results and Tekken was one of the very few bright points, I think it's safe to say Namco will support their fighters. That said, hopefully that means we'll get proper balancing patches for more than just the first few months (if necessary).
Given the fact that they posted poor fiscal results and Tekken was one of the very few bright points, I think it's safe to say Namco will support their fighters. That said, hopefully that means we'll get proper balancing patches for more than just the first few months (if necessary).
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