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Added my two cents. Thanks for the heads-up, Omega.
Added my two cents. Thanks for the heads-up, Omega.
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babalook
[10] Knight
We need support
i posted and sent a think to the thread asking to post to everyone with a sc4 youtube profile and anyone whose commented on my videos :)
i posted and sent a think to the thread asking to post to everyone with a sc4 youtube profile and anyone whose commented on my videos :)
Malice
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What should I say instead? Let's quit SC4 and play Tekken 6 while we wait for NB to do something?
I'm not in New England, I'm in Philly. There wasn't a scene for SC4 when I started playing competitively and it took alot of time, hard work, money, dedication, support, and a place to play to get it going and to continue to sustain it. I'm fortunate that I was able to link up with people who also loved this game and were dedicated to it. Playing this game offline is not easy, but it can be done. The east coast isn't doing anything that any other region can't do themselves.
I was going to write some walls of text, so I will just get to the point. This game is not plagued with problems to the point where people need to retire from it, so it's a shame to see people quit. Even if something was done to this game, how long would it keep people around before they got bored and moved onto something else? Eventually it's going to happen. It's a cycle.
Besides Hilde, what is in this game really that needs to be changed? Nothing major. This game has plenty of life if people are willing to stick with it, but it really needs to be played offline. And something like a revival thread should have been done long ago if this community really felt the need to do so before people started hopping onto the Tekken bandwagon.
All I am saying is in addition to posting on NB's forum, stick with the game and don't just wait around for NB to do something. It's not easy, but it can be done.
SBA
TFNA
I already dont see any reason to not release a 2.0 patch or game. Tekken 6 is out. Tekken is a big enough game so that if u want to play tekken, ull buy it, no matter waht games r already out or coming. I f u dont have it buy now, chances r ur not getting it, or ur getting it for christmas or something. And thats the only thing i think would stand in the way of an sc update. Sales for tekken 6. just my 39 cents
CrazyYoshimitsu
[10] Knight
As much as I love the game. Does anyone think this will work? Honestly, I feel Namco doesn't give a crap about this game at all. Which sucks ultra ivy apples (old skool CY:), if ya ask me. But hey, if this revival works like the SSBM revival troueny where a unknown player from Sweden( did i spell that right?) takes on one of the best US smashers. Then we might have a chance to SC:BD and SC5 in 2010 or 2012.
Xiahou-Dun
[08] Mercenary
Define "Not giving a crap about this game" I would wager they most certainly give a crap about it. I would also expect them not to respond to this request. Do you imply that they won't do this because they won't give a crap?
Signia
[13] Hero
That was the tournament Genesis, not Revival of Melee. Or did Genesis start a revival in your area? Melee never died in California so I never considered major Melee tournaments to be "revivals."
On topic: Considering how much money they made from SCIV, they'll probably release another game eventually. A patch will never come, it's too late anyway.
Unknown Legend
[09] Warrior
Whether or not people think this will have an impact is irrelevant. The fact is that doing something is better than doing nothing. Maybe we don't get a patch but perhaps 8wayrun members can help with the balance of the next installment. Personally I think a patched BD as a download would work and is possible. Namco would make money out of it, also it would keep moderate interest in the game until the next installment comes out.
Bottom line if you love the series you should support this. It doesn't take a large amount of time and it very well might have a great impact. The small amount of time it takes you to post is worth the risk of you ending up wasting your time and this all meaning nothing. Small risk big reward, it's common sense people.
Bottom line if you love the series you should support this. It doesn't take a large amount of time and it very well might have a great impact. The small amount of time it takes you to post is worth the risk of you ending up wasting your time and this all meaning nothing. Small risk big reward, it's common sense people.
Thanks Dman thats what we need, people like you, this man is 100 percent right, just take 5 minutes of your time and make a post. Keep them coming.
KingAce
HERMITISM
Well us veterans are all to familiar with this situation, however looking at Namco for help won't get us anywhere.
Our community isn't dead it's just broken, and WE need to fix it. Specifically the North American community. Our problem is lack of organization. The game might have some issues, but those issues shoulda or can be easily addressed...however it might be too late for that.
So we just need to pick where we're and move forward. And what we're looking for is how we can get current players or those on vacation interested and hyped up again. To me I think we need to put some more emphasis on majors. There's got to be a point or goal for someone to get good and travel for offline tournaments. There is no actual reward for doing so now, once the newness of the game dies down, we as a community have to structure ourselves in a way that will keep players interested.
To me SC4 is still very new as a competitive game. The only way we can get Namco's attention realistically is with a large community, but we missed that opportunity once we started straining our focus away from new players and started listening to the elites. Now we just have to revive ourselves, it doesn't hurt to try and reach out to Namco, but our best bet has always been a better and stronger community.
Because with that major tournaments give our game recognition, and at these very majors, Namco might make it's presence. So if Namco can see people like SC just as much as Tekken we win.
For those that didn't understand the importance of those controversial discussions and arguments way back when. It all came down to the community selling this game to new players. Our game is very easy to learn, regardless of how many other fighters there on the market, players should still be able to play SC on the side; not out right quit.
Core problem is lack of leadership and with that lack of unity, which eventually leads to collapse. It's the same thing that will happen eventually if a new game where to come out. Learn from history and adapt.
Our community isn't dead it's just broken, and WE need to fix it. Specifically the North American community. Our problem is lack of organization. The game might have some issues, but those issues shoulda or can be easily addressed...however it might be too late for that.
So we just need to pick where we're and move forward. And what we're looking for is how we can get current players or those on vacation interested and hyped up again. To me I think we need to put some more emphasis on majors. There's got to be a point or goal for someone to get good and travel for offline tournaments. There is no actual reward for doing so now, once the newness of the game dies down, we as a community have to structure ourselves in a way that will keep players interested.
To me SC4 is still very new as a competitive game. The only way we can get Namco's attention realistically is with a large community, but we missed that opportunity once we started straining our focus away from new players and started listening to the elites. Now we just have to revive ourselves, it doesn't hurt to try and reach out to Namco, but our best bet has always been a better and stronger community.
Because with that major tournaments give our game recognition, and at these very majors, Namco might make it's presence. So if Namco can see people like SC just as much as Tekken we win.
For those that didn't understand the importance of those controversial discussions and arguments way back when. It all came down to the community selling this game to new players. Our game is very easy to learn, regardless of how many other fighters there on the market, players should still be able to play SC on the side; not out right quit.
Core problem is lack of leadership and with that lack of unity, which eventually leads to collapse. It's the same thing that will happen eventually if a new game where to come out. Learn from history and adapt.
Unknown Legend
[09] Warrior
KingAce, I'm not disagreeing at all the game would probably have a larger community with begter organization, but the fact is the main reason a lot of people walked away is because of balance issues. Yes these issues could have been addressed with rules but in the end it is more pleasing to everyone if the game is designed without these issues. So if we organize better, great, but it would still be a huge help to have a more balanced game.
The goal of this thread is to have real communication between 8wayrun and namcobandai. Doesn't mean we'll neccessarily get a balanced sciv or BD, but perhaps a nearly perfect and balanced next installment. That is a truly worthwhile cause.
The goal of this thread is to have real communication between 8wayrun and namcobandai. Doesn't mean we'll neccessarily get a balanced sciv or BD, but perhaps a nearly perfect and balanced next installment. That is a truly worthwhile cause.
I agree with the organization part, so what we all have to do is all get together and make a post in namco bandai web page so they see that we are getting organized and united.
geejay008
[09] Warrior
Hey, ...posting on the thread to show support for the game we all love.
I also put a M2AF (who plays SC4) on my xbox account for them to do the same...
...hopefully the 'chain reaction' will increase the posting a little more. ^_^
...as the saying goes, better do something (...even a little something) ...than nothing at all. =/
I also put a M2AF (who plays SC4) on my xbox account for them to do the same...
...hopefully the 'chain reaction' will increase the posting a little more. ^_^
...as the saying goes, better do something (...even a little something) ...than nothing at all. =/
KingAce
HERMITISM
Balancing a fighting game isn't easy right off the bat. If there is an arcade release then a port to console, that might help balance the game like in Sc2 or tekken 6. However, we know that isn't likely, no competitive game is balanced anyway, unless it is constantly patched.
The easy part is actually just posting in the thread which I have done, the actual work that we need to put in however, nobody wants to get their hands dirty. I am not as optimistic as you guys are.
Unknown Legend
[09] Warrior
I might be wrong but I'm relatively sure tournament players never end up being game testers. Personaly I think this is why fighting games don't start off balanced. Tournament players are the ones who find glitches and combos. So if you could have a small group of experienced tournament players who know how to look for game breaking properties and evaluate character balance, test the game, you would end up with a much more balanced product. Yes the game wouldn't be perfect but it most likely woulld have relatively good balance.
Then I would suggest taking it one step further and Namco could do atleast release one patch within four months of the games release. That way the entire community could work on the game and find anything that needs a fix. From that point we would be on our own and not expect anymore tweaking on Namco's part.
I realize I'm being really optimistic but something like this would produce great results. At the very least if we could have the patch in 4 months and the assurance that Namcobandai would listen to what 8wayrun has to say about the game, then I believe we could have a pretty well balanced game. An arcade release would also work just as long as they listen to people who really get the game when it comes to what should be changed.
Then I would suggest taking it one step further and Namco could do atleast release one patch within four months of the games release. That way the entire community could work on the game and find anything that needs a fix. From that point we would be on our own and not expect anymore tweaking on Namco's part.
I realize I'm being really optimistic but something like this would produce great results. At the very least if we could have the patch in 4 months and the assurance that Namcobandai would listen to what 8wayrun has to say about the game, then I believe we could have a pretty well balanced game. An arcade release would also work just as long as they listen to people who really get the game when it comes to what should be changed.
Alex.J
[14] Master
You are very wrong about this actually. Namco has had many tourney players work for them like Ricky Ortiz and Mike D who game tested SC4. Both these players are known for their skills in other games but are both very competent calibur players. Also a lot of the game testers for SC4 have been to Norcal tournaments. People like Duenas who is a game tester for Namco have been involved with Norcals scene since SC3. The people who tested sc4 did find Hilde's doom combo.
Although I don't think a lot of people understand the process of testing and programming. Balance is good but fixing things that destroy and freeze the game are much more important. Testers have deadlines, certain aspects of the game to look at for long periods of time like the menu, as well as other things. They also don't have free reign on changing things, they report glitches and other problems with the game but that's basically as far as their power go. Their reports go to other people and its decided on how important each problem is. Things that stop the game and freeze it take top priority. Anyways, I don't think this community could do too good at balancing the next calibur game. Just take a look at the tier list, if we can't even agree on tiers how could we essentially balance anything?
Unknown Legend
[09] Warrior
Well to be honest I don't know the process of game testing but I assumed balance was looked. I'm curious why would they leave the doom combo in if they found it? Was it too late to change?
Well anyway Capcom for example seems to be atleast taking into consideration things said by expert players of SF4 in making SSF4. I know a game is never 100% balanced but if at the very least there aren't huge gaps in ability between characters.
Well anyway Capcom for example seems to be atleast taking into consideration things said by expert players of SF4 in making SSF4. I know a game is never 100% balanced but if at the very least there aren't huge gaps in ability between characters.
FleshMasher
[13] Hero
Six pages and still no answer from NB... well let's see how far it gets.
I fear the whole attention goes to the new product Tekken.
Sad.
I fear the whole attention goes to the new product Tekken.
Sad.
pineapplejuice
[09] Warrior
I don't think it's realistic to expect anything to be amended for sc4, and if I was namco-bandai I wouln't set up a team to fix a game that's been out for two year's.
But I do think it's a good idea to voice your opinion's in a place where they might be heard. Hopefully if enough noise is made , the same problem's won't happen in sc5.
But I do think it's a good idea to voice your opinion's in a place where they might be heard. Hopefully if enough noise is made , the same problem's won't happen in sc5.
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