SCV- New CHARACTER ideas

REPROBEAN_CHILD said:
No one knows the extent of Viola and ZWEI's powers or were they came from. In fact, they might directly be related to Astral Chaos, which was brought by Soul Edge in story mode. Ever notice that when EIN or Viola's orb appears, they come through a bubble/portal that looks like the sphere in Astral Chaos?
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Too bad PS probably won't tell it.
 
I actually like the idea of a spell user. I mean if Zas and Ivy can have wacky magical abilities i dont see why "Magic doesnt belong" should be an issue. Give them a "real" weapon to fight along with like a staff and let them do their thing. In my opinion the inclusion of ZWEI and Viola only helped the series to branch out and include more people and unique styles. Besides this series is pretty involved in the fantasy aspects.

Fantasy lands, magic powers, made up kingdoms, dragons, soul powers, etc. We dont have to full on embrace these fantasy elements however and turn into Lord of the Rings or The Elder Scrolls or Dragon Age, but dont let the desire to abstain from these things limit creativity or ideas.

DevilsDisguise said:
The only powers that people have are just from the swords
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Zas learned his spells from his tribe and Ivy has been practicing Alchemy since the beginning of the series. There is even some kind of eyeball monster in her Laboratory. Pretty sure Astaroth's cult is using non soul sword related magic as well.
 
Solo said:
If you want magic go play a 2D fighter where everyone can shoot fireballs. :D
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Exactly. SoulCalibur is a sword fighting game first and foremost, "A tale of souls and swords eternally retold."

I'd rather have a gunman than a magician.
 
OutCast said:
Magic is a apart of the series, deal with it rather than hating a character a lot of people actually like.
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Magic is a part of the series, but it is not 1st priority. Mainly if influenced by Soul Edge and Soulcalibur (Siegfried, Taki, Kilik, Nightmare, Pyrrha, Nightmare) is where many gain their "magical abilities". Everything else is just an exaggerated effect. Characters like Natsu and Xiba contain demon qualities in their genes, so that is understandable. However, whatever is going on with Z.W.E.I. and Viola I would like to know about eventually, because I highly doubt that they just came out of nowhere with no purpose at all but to just highlight how "magical" they are.
 
DevilsDisguise said:
This is supernatural:
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And that should've been a skin for Nightmare with the armour removed.
 
taffertier said:
Why not share?

And we already have a guy with a gun in the game.
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I don't think guys with guns equal magic. The easy way out, sure, but at least it isn't overused.

REPROBEAN_CHILD said:
But it's still fantasy (if Nightterror, Abyss, and the flying dragons in Nightmare's stage were any indication), regardless if it's concentrated on SoulCalibur and Soul Edge or not. In fact, hasn't the series been referenced as a "historical fantasy?" As far as I'm concerned, everything supernatural/fantasy still relates to the swords. No one knows the extent of Viola and ZWEI's powers or were they came from. In fact, they might directly be related to Astral Chaos, which was brought by Soul Edge in story mode. Ever notice that when EIN or Viola's orb appears, they come through a bubble/portal that looks like the sphere in Astral Chaos?

As far as SoulCalibur "Not supposed to be set in a magical land" it's still not, but it's not up to you to determine which direction it goes. Besides, the changes we've seen in SCV aren't even that severe compared to the likes of DmC.
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The setting itself is supposed to be realistic, but the swords, and Astral Chaos are what cause these "fantasy" events to occur.
 
jtdam09 said:
I don't think guys with guns equal magic. The easy way out, sure, but at least it isn't overused.
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It was meant to be towards the guy who said they'd rather have a gunman than a magician.

And there is more than just soul edge magic. As i've said, Ivy is using Alchemy as well as other occult magicks and so is Zasalamel. Not to mention Talim and Sophitia who have deities on their side. Had they been in SCV i think they'd have CEs and BE's showing this off more like their critical finishes in 4 did.
 
taffertier said:
It was meant to be towards the guy who said they'd rather have a gunman than a magician.

And there is more than just soul edge magic. As i've said, Ivy is using Alchemy as well as other occult magicks and so is Zasalamel. Not to mention Talim and Sophitia who have deities on their side. Had they been in SCV i think they'd have CEs and BE's showing this off more like their critical finishes in 4 did.
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CE, Critical Finishers, and BE attacks are only an exaggerated effect, at least for characters like Xianghua.

Ivy's abilities come from her evil sword, and her study of alchemy was used to perfect it. Apparently, Sophitia's weapon has some type of spirit orc inside of the weapon, but Sophitia doesn't show any "magical abilities" in her moveset. As far as her and Hephaestus, it may or may not be her hallucinating, but I might as well give you that one. Another thing to note is Sophitia having a Soul Edge shard in her body after SE.

Zasalamel's is through learning, as well as Taki, so I'll give you that one too. However, Taki also had a Soul Edge shard in her weapon. Just noting that.

Talim's abilities are having visions from dreams, but having deities is like Julia from Tekken having deities. The winds are Talim's navigational guide, and in most cases being a guide for her to sense anything harmful. It's more like she has a better grasp of how the wind blows and what they mean, more than any other human would. It sounds "magical", but in reality in isn't that magical. It's no different from a witchdoctor. Her critical finish was only an exaggerated effect.

I can understand it if
 
jtdam09 said:
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Still these exaggerated effects prove that some of these characters have supernatural / magical elements in their backgrounds. They arent prominent aspects of their character but they exist, and i dont see why some characters like Viola and ZWEI, cant have it be a prominent part of their moveset. Even these characters are entirely "magical" ZWEI still fights with his sword and Viola has her claws. There's a balance of weapon and non weapon based abilities between them, even though they lean a little more towards the non weapon area.
 
DevilsDisguise said:
Please, people don't care about ZWEI. Most say he sucks, others over look him. Also, as I argue Supernatural abilities and straight up magic aren't the same.
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Make Ein a little less robotic and a little more Spirit-like and he might fit in. And I don't see the difference between a woman who can levitate objects and a sword that makes dead people come to life and gives them incredible strength and a deformed arm.
 
taffertier said:
Still these exaggerated effects prove that some of these characters have supernatural / magical elements in their backgrounds. They arent prominent aspects of their character but they exist, and i dont see why some characters like Viola and ZWEI, cant have it be a prominent part of their moveset. Even these characters are entirely "magical" ZWEI still fights with his sword and Viola has her claws. There's a balance of weapon and non weapon based abilities between them, even though they lean a little more towards the non weapon area.
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CE, BE, and CF are only a marketing strategy. They are here and gone at an instant.

Viola's weapon is the orb. The claw is only an accessory.

I'm not saying ZWEI and Viola should have their abilities. I'm saying there should be a legitimate reason for them having it, preferably through their background, rather than them being "magical" for the hell of it. If there is, then I would disregard Viola and ZWEI even having them, though I prefer EIN wearing more fur. The logic of "being magic for no reason" could potentially draw in new characters who have no weapons at all, but throw magic dust here or there. Those type of characters I don't like for this series to have. I would much rather see new characters with new weapons, and if they have ninja abilities, and Soul Edge/Soul Calibur shards in their bodies, then I would be fine with it.

But I would hope they don't abuse the Soul Edge/Soul Calibur shard reasoning like they have been doing for SCV.

OutCast said:
Make Ein a little less robotic and a little more Spirit-like and he might fit in. And I don't see the difference between a woman who can levitate objects and a sword that makes dead people come to life and gives them incredible strength and a deformed arm.
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Resort to my former post on Ivy's situation.

I believe Astral Chaos is what influenced Soul Edge to gain its abilities, but evidently the wiki says differently. Soul Calibur was created from it.
 
jtdam09 said:
CE, Critical Finishers, and BE attacks are only an exaggerated effect.
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What other characters with CE, Critical Finishers, and BE are also exaggerated or just effects from Soul Edge? I want to know more. I'm pretty sure characters like Mitsurugi and Setsuka's Critical Finishers aren't exaggerated but Kilik, Maxi, and especially Cassandra and Raphael's could be exaggerated. What do you think about those?
 
ShaolinTiger86 said:
What other characters with CE, Critical Finishers, and BE are also exaggerated or just effects from Soul Edge? I want to know more. I'm pretty sure characters like Mitsurugi and Setsuka's Critical Finishers aren't exaggerated but Kilik, Maxi, and especially Cassandra and Raphael's could be exaggerated. What do you think about those?
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Cassandra's is obviously exaggerated, and probably used from anime and comedic influences. Raphael.....I say exaggerated, but if he wants to practice vampirism go right head.

I consider them to be extra, somewhat exaggerated kinks to attract players to the series.
 
taffertier said:
It was meant to be towards the guy who said they'd rather have a gunman than a magician.
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We already have people using magic too. You (or someone on your side) wanted a full on magician.

As for Zwei now that I think of it I might like him if he had a real wolf.
 
jtdam09 said:
I'm saying there should be a legitimate reason for them having it, preferably through their background, rather than them being "magical" for the hell of it.
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And "Soul Edge did it" Is a legitimate reason? Soul Edge is responsible for all kinds of stuff that isnt realistically possible but we just roll with it. As far as we know there is no scientific explanation or reasoning behind what the swords do. It's no different from magic except that it has a very vague reason for what is happening. This all still disregarding the fact that Ivy has a soul in her sword that she created via alchemy to obey her commands, it wasnt one of the swords that did this. And now that we're in the 16th century there is even more technological advancements, pathing the way for more guns and projectiles. Soul Calibur is a series that blends a lot of unique themes and styles and i would hate for i to go to waste because people insist that it's a "Swords Only" club.
 
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