SCV Tier List

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LollipopInMyHair said:
Why is everyone placing Hilde so high? What makes her so good?
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Good damage, decent speed, a few good ringout tools, good range, some nice fast attacks, can trick people with charge attacks, good damaging combos, best Critical Edge in the game which can almost always hit an opponent, good guard break moves, brave edge grab combos into critical edge, she can juggle with 3BE, quite a few fast knockdown moves, the list goes on and on.

And for those people saying how Raph is low tier, stop basing Raph on how you have a hard time winning with him. Raph is at most, mid/low mid tier, not low tier.

I'm actually quite surprised Raph and Hilde are the least played characters in the game. Guess all the Nightmare, Mitsu, Pyrrha, and Natsu players didn't help >_<
 
Xeph said:
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I disagree for several reasons, which I will list below:

1. The hitbox on bullrush, while still enormous is smaller, making it much easier to step and in making it a KND on CH, Asta losses his main reason for one to stand. What can he force a throw mixup with outside the edge now? It was hard enough to force a stand in SCIV, lol.

2. He is just to slow at point blank: all he really has is 4B, 6AA and 6K, if one gets in he's very weak to rushdown and even if Asta guesses right you need a CH to make it pay dividends. As for stepkill with Astaroth, all his close range step kill is unsafe and very risky.

3. Damage in this game compared to Astaroth's risk/reward. His problem (imo) is that while he has good damage, he works on high risk 50/50s due to his throw/mid mixup being a real 50/50 between step and crouch in this game. Guess wrong once and you will take 80-100 damage, in some matchups. We all know that if Asta launches you by the wall with meter, then you won't be getting up, but in landing that sort of combo, Asta almost always risks death in the process.

Just my thoughts on the character, but it is still early days, haha.
 
EminentRising said:
i am certain that leixia is the best character in the game, better than natsu for sure.
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Alpha Patroklos says hello.

My two cents for this thread right now:
Seeing a lot of people putting ZWEI low. But seeing as I have no interest in playing him, I'm just going to wait for one legit ZWEI to come out of the woodworks and BODY everyone. That character is being slept on so hard when he's so fucking good, it sickens me.
 
He's not good and no Z.W.E.I will body everyone*, if any charcter wins on being slept on right now, its Viola.


* All of his tools can be dealt with, as Hayate showed me. Learn this matchup inside out and it is curtains for Z.W.E.I, in fact throughout the entire tournament, Hayate was the only Z.W.E.I that could beat me in FT5 casuals, which isn't down to my level as a player - that character has some serious limitations.
 
No it can't. What your saying is you can only win through character ignorance on the opponents part if that were true.
Its certainly not the case regarding Alpha, or Mitsurugi for example.
 
Synraii said:
He's not good and no Z.W.E.I will body everyone*, if any charcter wins on being slept on right now, its Viola.


* All of his tools can be dealt with, as Hayate showed me. Learn this matchup inside out and it is curtains for Z.W.E.I, in fact throughout the entire tournament, Hayate was the only Z.W.E.I that could beat me in FT5 casuals, which isn't down to my level as a player - that character has some serious limitations.
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I agree, Z.W.E.I. seriously has the worst limitations out of any character in the game. I have only lost to two Z.W.E.I. players, and that was because I was not taking them seriously at all. One of them I was literally just using Raphael's A,B attack the majority of the game. I was trying to see if I can beat him by using the same attack over and over again (yea he was pretty bad too) and make a funny video, hell I almost completely beat him 3 times in a row doing that, but unfortunately I lost in the end. As for the other Z.W.E.I. I was trying the same thing with a different attack. My brother's comment to the last one was "Hahaha, I haven't even seen Z.W.E.I.'s winposes." That is true, I forgot Z.W.E.I. even had winposes, since that had been the 4rd time I have ever seen it (2 counting story mode).

By far the main reason why Z.W.E.I. is just incredibly difficult to win with is because his speed is so damn slow. Everything he does is incredibly slow, hell even most characters unblockables are faster than his basic A,A and B,B, attacks. If he misses, a B,B attack, Nightmare actually has a good chance of landing his full Critical Edge on the guy.

The only thing Z.W.E.I. has going for him is that Ein has somewhat of a wide attack range, and that isn't even that much of an advantage as it can be sidestepped. The only way I can see him winning is if a player knows how to trick people and use the massive delay of his attacks to their advantage, but chances of that happening are near impossible and extremely easy to counter.
 
MrTheGamer said:
I know man but from what I have seen even after all of his shortcomings he has a lot of upgrades in SCV that make up for that. I think that Raphael is at least middle tier and that's just my opinion. He has way better spacing and poking options then Mitsu and Hilde in my opinion. If an official tier list was ever made I'm willing to bet you that he will be in the middle maybe a little lower. I see Raphael doing well in tournaments with his new arsenal of tools but I have yet to see any good Raph players in SCV. I don't own the game yet but I have watched videos.
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As someone already told you in a game where ducking randomly (pro feature -.-) nets you hald bar punishers a character that cannot keep up with this thing and suffers coruching a lot with any chance to punish opponent for wrong predictions, cannot be that competitive.

Also his prep game sucks bad....next time you play a raph mirror try to react prep with FC 3B even on CH.

He also suffers new mechanics charging opponent critical bar a lot everything he does, and having his damage compltely halved when opponent has yellow health bar.

add to the mix stepG and the problem with QS and 22B adding frames to the move.....
Raph will win until he will be underestimate, thus nobody will check the matchup and eat SE as it will be clear SE really don t exists as viable option it will be clearly a low tier.




Also saying that raph pokes better than scV mitsu is wrong he had a great matchup in scIV now raph cannot keep up with mitsu spacing, poking and damage.
 
Synraii said:
No it can't. What your saying is you can only win through character ignorance on the opponents part if that were true.
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No, not really. I'm saying that ZWEI has the potential to be S tier, and it's going to take someone hella legit with ZWEI to show his potential. There's a lot that ZWEI players have to get down, especially their EIN game, before that character stops being underrated.
 
The only tier list that matters:

Manly Tier
  • Siegfried
  • Cervantes
  • Edge Master
  • Algol
Backstep Tier
  • Astaroth
  • Anyone VS Patroklos
DSL Tier
  • Hilde
WhΩre Tier
  • Pyrrha Ω
  • Leixia
Why Are You So Free To SBH Tier
  • Pyrrha
  • Natsu
Poor Kowtow Tier
  • Raphael
Superb Fighter Tier
  • α Patroklos
  • Patroklos
Tear Tier
  • Z.W.E.I.
  • Aeon
  • Talim
"Maxi Needs a Nerf" Tier
  • Not Maxi
  • Derrick Jin
 
Cosmic_Castaway said:
I'm saying that ZWEI has the potential to be S tier, and it's going to take someone hella legit with ZWEI to show his potential.
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No he doesn't - to be S you need high reward/low risk in a mixup character like Zwei. He's too high risk to ever be considered S. All of his tools have flaws, what you're suggesting is player skill, not character strength. That said, I read the MVC thread enough to know you know more about every fighting game ever than anybody and arguing with you I don't doubt will be akin to shouting at a wall so I will stop now.
 
Synraii said:
No he doesn't - to be S you need high reward/low risk in a mixup character like Zwei. He's too high risk to ever be considered S. All of his tools have flaws, what you're suggesting is player skill, not character strength. That said, I read the MVC thread enough to know you know more about every fighting game ever than anybody and arguing with you I don't doubt will be akin to shouting at a wall so I will stop now.
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I don't consider this arguing. We both have our reasons, and I'm not trying to take your opinion away from you. I just think ZWEI's massively underrated. As you said, it's still early days. Also, EIN allows ZWEI to make himself safe. Just sayin'.

Btw, I don't recall ever "arguing" with anybody in the MvC3 thread other than MysticBoudha, along with someone who was convinced the Quicksilver Glitch should be tournament legal. O.o
 
Cosmic_Castaway said:
Btw, I don't recall ever "arguing" with anybody in the MvC3 thread other than MysticBoudha, along with someone who was convinced the Quicksilver Glitch should be tournament legal. O.o
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Actually, I was taking the piss out of your percieved mannerisms on that thread:

It is never a case of 'I think this, this and this' in that thread, it is 'this, this and this are 100% true and unquestionable', or so they appear, heh. =P

Cosmic_Castaway said:
Also, EIN allows ZWEI to make himself safe. Just sayin'
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Give me a couple of examples
 
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