Siegfried Q&A / General Discussion
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Solo
[14] Master
The start up frames are amount of frames if you subtract the impact frame data by 1 (minus the hit frame). At least I think that's correct, someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Sacharja
[12] Conqueror
JagA and agA are +2 on block, not -6.
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Heaton
A Soul in the Purgatory
Though that bit of misinformation would explain why so many people still insist on doing slow ass moves after blocking it.
ChaosK
[13] Hero
If that assumption is correct, than let us change all of siegs frame data to -18 on block :D
Btw Y U no answer my question in the MU thread?
Solo
[14] Master
^I wish my friends did slow moves after a blocked agA. Nope he just whores out A:6... I really hate that move.
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Heaton
A Soul in the Purgatory
I didn't see it pop-up in my alerts. I just answered it for you. =)
Bastet
[12] Conqueror
Sorry... I edited it now ^^
Solo
[14] Master
Why does the 3rd hit of A+B whiff so much after 22k(A), SCH K BE?
PyroZamfir
[09] Warrior
Because agA is a much better option and you shouldn't be using A+B.
Solo
[14] Master
^Lol, I was just asking.
Mandy
Yes, a guy.
The main benefit is that you can do A+B when they have less life after a launchers, or if they're nowhere near a wall. The execution window for agA after launchers is pretty strict and it can be difficult to hit the input correctly and have it actually connect, in which case you're throwing away potential damage anyway.
Solo
[14] Master
I would say that but not every character is Astaroth (only character I've seen consistently get hit all three times from various combos). It puts you at a disadvantage also because of the stance.
Mandy
Yes, a guy.
I may be mistaken, but I think if you do it with agA (not a clean hit) you get 71 damage, if you do it with A+B you get 69 with the first 2 hits. If you do A+B, A and they ukemi into the 3rd hit you get 76 I believe. I'll have to test this. But 2 damage lost for consistency's sake isn't a terrible loss. In some situations you're picking between giving away 20 or some odd damage from the agA or 2-10 damage from using A+B.
Only reason I even consider A+B is because watching a bunch of tourney streams I noticed OmegaDR uses A+B instead of agA on a number of occasions against Keev, probably because he was using SCH K BE as a punisher instead of on wakeup which can make the input difficult. On that same note I've seen PyroZamfir throw away a match or two against Partisan because he went for agA and it either didn't come out at all, came out late, or came out as a grab (I think this was due to controller issues, but you still get the point, he just gave away free damage, still love you Pyro <3).
PyroZamfir
[09] Warrior
Bunn PS3 controllers, that is all.
Bastet
[12] Conqueror
Why don't you guys just do ... ~ SCH K BE ~ iaga?
It gives 77 damage, 80 + if it is clean hit.
I know that some people don't get it sometimes but I guess that's something that can be fixed with training.
It gives 77 damage, 80 + if it is clean hit.
I know that some people don't get it sometimes but I guess that's something that can be fixed with training.
ChaosK
[13] Hero
Don't forget to delay the input of SCH K BE because it gives a lot of extra damage. 83 without clean hit and around 90 i believe with clean hit.
Afaik from the 3 Hits of A+B only two hit regularly. Sometimes only one or even none for crap damage and sometimes all 3 hit, for very high damage. If those 3 hits would hit consistently than it would be a very good option but considering only 2 hits hit, you better go with iaga.
Afaik from the 3 Hits of A+B only two hit regularly. Sometimes only one or even none for crap damage and sometimes all 3 hit, for very high damage. If those 3 hits would hit consistently than it would be a very good option but considering only 2 hits hit, you better go with iaga.
Bastet
[12] Conqueror
Hmm I tried delaying only the SCH K BE input but got the same results (32 dmg). Perhaps I'm doing it wrong, I dunno. Help...
But I noticed that the height the opponent is being hit by iaga changes the values. I got the highest which gave 76-77 damage and my low reached till 79 ( or 81, I don't remember, actually my thumb hurts from the iagas to test again).
And random clean hits are annoying...
But I noticed that the height the opponent is being hit by iaga changes the values. I got the highest which gave 76-77 damage and my low reached till 79 ( or 81, I don't remember, actually my thumb hurts from the iagas to test again).
And random clean hits are annoying...
ChaosK
[13] Hero
You have to time the SCH K BE shortly before they hit the ground. It will look a little bit different. If your thumb hurts you can also train the SCH K BE timing with any other combo like 3(B)~(delayed) SCH K BE~3(B). Normal version deals 69 dmg, delayed will give you 74.
Keep in mind that SCH K BE has a chance for clean hit too, when you compare the two versions.
Keep in mind that SCH K BE has a chance for clean hit too, when you compare the two versions.
Mandy
Yes, a guy.
I'll give this a try. Generally I go for the SCH K BE right after 3(B), maybe that's why my agA comes out and whiffs high.
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