Soul Calibur 5 Guest/Bonus/CAS Character Discussion

I was thinking Ezio or Altair since they have swords.

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Gatsu said:
Ezio>Altair, specially for SC
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we already have a character with that type of weapon. you know, the wacky french guy on SCBD. Dampierre. so I doubt they'll give us someone with the same weapon. besides that was a science fiction game with nothing happening in the game happening in real life. If they were introduced as guest characters then that would mean everything about the soul calibur universe is just a simulated lie. I don't think that would go well with me.
 
0VincentRayne0 said:
we already have a character with that type of weapon. you know, the wacky french guy on SCBD. Dampierre. so I doubt they'll give us someone with the same weapon. besides that was a science fiction game with nothing happening in the game happening in real life. If they were introduced as guest characters then that would mean everything about the soul calibur universe is just a simulated lie. I don't think that would go well with me.
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The weapon may be similar, but Ezio and Dampierre would NOT have a Raphael/Amy scenario. Their fighting style are polar opposites of each other; Ezio's fighting style is centered on power/killing, while Dampierre uses "comedic" tricks more often than the blades. Also I don't quite know what you mean by the universe being a "simulated lie". The way you're wording it is almost like saying everything that happened in SC was a fact. It's not. Besides, SoulCalibur is a fantasy and Assassin's Creed historical aspect would actually fit into the universe, unlike the Star Wars characters.
 
I highly doubt it would be Ezio when the character was easily created in custom creation mode in SCIV. I think they will find a character that is so unique that it is impossible to duplicate. I'll be honest if a Final Fantasy character does get placed in it will probably be Serah from the the upcoming XIII-2. Considering that game is going to be the second in a trilogy and that her weapon can supposedly change into multiple different weapons this might be our charade of the game as well as a huge promotion to get soul calibur fans into XIII-2 and Final Fantasy fans into SC. I admit the likelihood is very slim though. The more I think about it though they might throw in Sora from Kingdom Hearts...I kinda hope they don't but he'd probably be the easiest to come up with a story for if they did partner with SE for a guest character.

I'm sure we will get announcements by the end of the year as to the guest characters. They announced they knew who the guest character would be back in June/July...the game the guest characters are from will probably be from game being released around the same time as Soul Calibur or a month or two before or after. It would maximize sales this way for both games. So let's begin looking for games coming out in Q1 or end of this year...those are likely what we will see the guest characters from. A number of games fit in with this scenario.
 
REPROBEAN_CHILD said:
The weapon may be similar, but Ezio and Dampierre would NOT have a Raphael/Amy scenario. Their fighting style are polar opposites of each other; Ezio's fighting style is centered on power/killing, while Dampierre uses "comedic" tricks more often than the blades. Also I don't quite know what you mean by the universe being a "simulated lie". The way you're wording it is almost like saying everything that happened in SC was a fact. It's not. Besides, SoulCalibur is a fantasy and Assassin's Creed historical aspect would actually fit into the universe, unlike the Star Wars characters.
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you misunderstood what I meant. I know that the SC universe is fiction. but to the people in soul calibur it is events that are actually happening and the story to SC is considered to be solid in terms of unwavering. the Star Wars characters came from their own legit universe and didn't clash with SCs. They exist in their world and crossed over to another. the characters in AC don't actually exist. they are people that are created through some virtual reality simulator. if they cross over into the SC world that means that everything SC is a part of that virtual reality simulator and therefore doesn't really exist and the story we've been following since Soul blade is all a part of AC simulated program and is not real.
 
The problem of Assassin's Creed is that the entire game is a virtual reality simulator of what happened in the past. Did a man named Ezio actually exist or was he solely created through a virtual simulator? If the game is to be believed the main character is merely reliving the experiences of Ezio in a virtual simulator...the character Ezio did indeed exist and the player is reliving his moments through virtual simulation. If Ezio did exist then they could easily add him into the Soul Calibur universe aside from one major problem...he is likely to be dead by the time Soul Calibur V takes place even if he was a real character in his games. Ezio can again be created from character creation mode so I doubt they will add a legitimate version of him...but then again which of us saw Vader/Yoda and the Apprentice coming? I know I didn't.
 
kyrt said:
I highly doubt it would be Ezio when the character was easily created in custom creation mode in SCIV. I think they will find a character that is so unique that it is impossible to duplicate. I'll be honest if a Final Fantasy character does get placed in it will probably be Serah from the the upcoming XIII-2. Considering that game is going to be the second in a trilogy and that her weapon can supposedly change into multiple different weapons this might be our charade of the game as well as a huge promotion to get soul calibur fans into XIII-2 and Final Fantasy fans into SC. I admit the likelihood is very slim though. The more I think about it though they might throw in Sora from Kingdom Hearts...I kinda hope they don't but he'd probably be the easiest to come up with a story for if they did partner with SE for a guest character.

I'm sure we will get announcements by the end of the year as to the guest characters. They announced they knew who the guest character would be back in June/July...the game the guest characters are from will probably be from game being released around the same time as Soul Calibur or a month or two before or after. It would maximize sales this way for both games. So let's begin looking for games coming out in Q1 or end of this year...those are likely what we will see the guest characters from. A number of games fit in with this scenario.
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I doubt they're going to factor CAS to determine who's the guest character. Kratos wasn't too difficult to recreate either, yet he was the guest on SoulCalibur: BD. I actually think it might be Ezio and for various reasons. One thing was that they suggested that the character was going to be "very popular". If you look at the sales for the Assassin's Creed series (AC, ACII, AC:B), each title sold over 6 million units across all platforms. Then add the fact that Revelations is coming this fall and ACIII might appear next year; adding Ezio in SCV could be used as a marketing strategy for Ubisoft like StarWars was for The Force Unleashed in SCIV.
Also, there are only about a few hundred years between the events of Assassin's Creed and SoulCalibur. And factor in that both games center around a crucial object(s) (SoulCalibur has SoulCalibur/Soul Edge and Assassin's Creed has The Apple of Eden). All that and that Ezio's overall design could actually fit into the atmosphere of the SC series might not make it a far-fetched idea to include him.
 
0VincentRayne0 said:
you misunderstood what I meant. I know that the SC universe is fiction. but to the people in soul calibur it is events that are actually happening and the story to SC is considered to be solid in terms of unwavering. the Star Wars characters came from their own legit universe and didn't clash with SCs. They exist in their world and crossed over to another. the characters in AC don't actually exist. they are people that are created through some virtual reality simulator. if they cross over into the SC world that means that everything SC is a part of that virtual reality simulator and therefore doesn't really exist and the story we've been following since Soul blade is all a part of AC simulated program and is not real.
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If you actually played Assassin's Creed, youd know that Altair and Ezio WEREN'T created by the simulation. The animus allowed users to look into the eyes of their ancestors and experience what they went through. It is a simulation, but it's more on using it to go back in time but not entirely; Altair and Ezio actually existed within the Assassin's Creed universe. That's why characters like Desmond, Lucy, etc. were also assassins.
 
I agree I could see him being in the game but I think Namco will find a company with less impact. To be honest it wouldn't be too far fetched to include a Sengoku Basara character. The question we have to ask ourselves is "Was Ezio as popular a character in Japan as he was in the West?" The design could work ) but then again I doubt Ubisoft will do that when the series is already well known. There is also the fact that ezio is not much of a quick fighter (which videos from V would show that this is going to be true of all the added characters), he's more of a sneak and climb and kill character. We have one assassin already in Natsu so I doubt they will include him. Been wrong before though.
 
kyrt said:
I agree I could see him being in the game but I think Namco will find a company with less impact. To be honest it wouldn't be too far fetched to include a Sengoku Basara character. The question we have to ask ourselves is "Was Ezio as popular a character in Japan as he was in the West?" The design could work ) but then again I doubt Ubisoft will do that when the series is already well known. There is also the fact that ezio is not much of a quick fighter (which videos from V would show that this is going to be true of all the added characters), he's more of a sneak and climb and kill character. We have one assassin already in Natsu so I doubt they will include him. Been wrong before though.
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A ninja operates and combats differently than an assassin like Ezio; he wasn't a ninja lol. Besides, Sigfriend and Hlide can both be considered knights; there is no problem with having them both. And also, they made clear that the character will be popular globally, not just in Japan. They wanted to make SCV accessible and by limiting the guest slot to a character popular in their country alone seems counterproductive. :P

As far as his combat speed, he wasn't THAT slow and they would change his overall speed anyway to match with SoulCalibur's. That's what they did for all guest characters.
 
I will concede that Assassin's Creed is a globallly popular character but you forget one thing; Namco seems to like giving each console a different guest character from the same series (in IV) or a console specific guest character (for II) and there are problems with Assassin's Creed for both of these.

Assassin's Creed essentially only has one main character and although they could do Ezio and Altair the characters are more or less the same (although one can't swim) and they would probably not be able to convince people to buy both characters. Game industries are all about making money and this would not get them money. There is only one main character in the series and since it is a multiplatform series they could not make extra money by having separate guest characters for each system. Marketing Strategy would deem this not as profitable. Ezio is also not a console specific guest character which both Sony and Microsoft tend to like. Unless they have two guest characters for each system with one being the same for all consoles (like Apprentice was) then Ezio has a slim chance of appearing...how would they choose which system to put him on when he is on 360 and PS3?

This leaves me to believe that the series they pick will either be console specific and a different character for each system or it will be the same game with two different characters (and playing styles). Assassin's Creed does not fit this mold or people will blame Namco of favoritism towards Microsoft or Sony if he is only available on one of the systems. doesn't mean they won't do it anyway though.
 
kyrt said:
I will concede that Assassin's Creed is a globallly popular character but you forget one thing; Namco seems to like giving each console a different guest character from the same series (in IV) or a console specific guest character (for II) and there are problems with Assassin's Creed for both of these.

Assassin's Creed essentially only has one main character and although they could do Ezio and Altair the characters are more or less the same (although one can't swim) and they would probably not be able to convince people to buy both characters. Game industries are all about making money and this would not get them money. There is only one main character in the series and since it is a multiplatform series they could not make extra money by having separate guest characters for each system. Marketing Strategy would deem this not as profitable. Ezio is also not a console specific guest character which both Sony and Microsoft tend to like. Unless they have two guest characters for each system with one being the same for all consoles (like Apprentice was) then Ezio has a slim chance of appearing...how would they choose which system to put him on when he is on 360 and PS3?

This leaves me to believe that the series they pick will either be console specific and a different character for each system or it will be the same game with two different characters (and playing styles). Assassin's Creed does not fit this mold or people will blame Namco of favoritism towards Microsoft or Sony if he is only available on one of the systems. doesn't mean they won't do it anyway though.
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They said that the guest would be the same on both platforms. No console specifics this time around
 
really? that definitely cuts out a number of potential characters.

looking at upcoming games here are a few that might actually make the cut; Darksiders, Final Fantasy, Assassin's Creed, Batman, ninja gaiden/dead or alive, blazblue extend, any fighting game, devil may cry, kingdom hearts. can't think of anything else. my bet is on final fantasy or creed now though. assuming they don't take games already released that is.
 
Nice amount of nonsense about Ezio as possible guest

In random order

ZOMG we yet have Dampierre iz not possible!
-Fact,as now we DON'T have Dampierre in SC5,and probably is not going to return,many (more important) characters will not return. On the contrary,have done Dampierre may help them eventually to do Ezio(recycle some things)

ZOMG Ezio is a "Virtual Reality" character
-False,you play as them into a "virtual reality" simulation,but in AC universe Desmond is a real character,and both Ezio and Altair are his ancestors,real peoples. Virtual Reality just make you see/do things they had really done in the past. In short,Ezio and Altair are perfectly canon in AC universe

ZOMG Ezio blah blah will not fit because blah blah!
-Fact1: being an european assassin during Renassaince,with no superpowers,and with a fight style about blades, Ezio will probably be the most fitting Guest that SC ever had
-Fact2: the dude whining about Ezio as hypotetic guest because blah blah will not fit,is the same that want a 2011 cheerleader with a chainshaw. Lol.

I don't even bother to reply at the wall-text of nonsense will probably follow this post,so peoples take this as teh only holy truth :D

ps: Bottom line,i think Ezio is our Guest? I don't know,i surely hope it.
It will be cool,fitting,it will not break the atmosphere(like SW trash did),will have a badass style and may even end up give us a sequel of the uber awesome Venice stage.
Are his chances high? High yes,is a popular and worldwide series and Namco-Ubilol are"friend"
Are the highest? No,i think something from FF or Asura (Capcom AND CyberConnect,both working with Namco,CC even working at SCV) have actually better hopes, i place Ezio after them
 
Fact 1: You need to bother reading all the posts because you comment. If you had you may have realized that my previous ideas of Ezio not being included were based around the idea of multiple guests and console specific characters. If both of those two things did happen then Ezio would be immediately disqualified do to marketing reasons. The fact that we will only have one guest for both systems means Ezio is now possible.

Fact 2: I for one never said that Ezio was a virtual reality character I said that Desmond lived his actual life through virtual simulation. The actual character did exist or how the hell would anything in the game series (including Desmond exist). I doubt they would call Ezio his ancestor and then say lol he is only virtual simulation...

Fact 3: Ezio would be much better than a chainsaw wielding cheerleader ever could be. No idea what that character is from either. Yeah I'm not sure who you are talking about but I for one tried to make reasonable guesses based on the knowledge that I knew at the time. I was unaware of SC only have a single guest and that it would be the same so most of my hypotheticalness do not account. Just ignore it. Ezio is 100 years or so before the events of Soul Calibur (if I remember dates correctly end of 15th century) so although he would essentially fit in the universe by the time SCV takes place he should be essentially dead. Facing the facts. Then again Darth Vader/Yoda/Apprentice came for a galaxy far far away so who cares about time...Namco doesn't.

Fact 4: Daishi specifically mentioned he would like to get a Final Fantasy character as a guest if possible and not too long after they said they had determined the guest character. This makes it highly possible that the guest was indeed a final fantasy character...this probably means a character related to XIII as they seem to be pushing that game the most and it is one of the only final fantasy games on the 360. Then again the fact final fantasy already has a fighting game called dissidia makes it unlikely that SE would want to promote a competitor.

Result: Ezio probably has the highest possibility of being the guest character although I am curious about thi Asura game...that or final fantasy seem like the most common alternatives. Would I mind Ezio? Depends how his play style is and whether or not it is an exact copy of any other character...I for one am sick of copies. If the post was not directed at me...whatever.

One does have to wonder though whether or not Namco will try to bump up one of their own series rather than going to a guest company. I don't think they will but then I never saw Star Wars or Spawn happening either.
 
UBER-FACT: i was not talking about your nonsense, the one i just demolished was other's dude nonsense :D
Your nonsense was nice too,but more than else lack of info,when you get info you self-fixed yourself ---> bravo,no need to demolish :D

Next time be sure the vagina people are attacking is yours one before get mad and wall-text :D
 
The fact that a Soul Edge hypothetically appeared in a different universe in a different franchise being wielded by a different villain (ahem, if you haven't guessed already, FFXIII-2) just crushed all the other games' chances of even getting a guest character into the game.
 
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