Soulcalibur VI DLC Discussion Thread

Rusted Blade

[06] Combatant
I think we're getting a little to hung up on SC3AE here and making the situation out into something that doesnt apply today. Hwang and LiLong being in that game was acceptable because there wasnt anyone else to throw in. Now there is and no, the order of events or narrative wont justify that.

What significant things is LiLong even going to do if he does come back with a story? In his case the whole point is two nunchucks instead of one, or just for people who dont like Maxi. There is basically no other reason to have him.... and this is coming from someone who hates Maxi.
The fact that the cast will so closely resemble SCIII: AE's is not really evidence in itself; it's a consequence of the dev team's design priorities, not the -cause- of those priorities in itself. From the beginning, the devs cast a net that fell over the first four games (SE through SCIII) and characters originating in those games. Base game and DLC alike, everyone in SCVI comes from one of those games, and the plot devices retconned for the present game begin at the tail end of the events in Soul Edge and trail into the beginning of the events of Soul Calibur III. While there's nothing in the devs' way in broadening the scope of their story, aside from their own commitment to their previous decisions, they have given absolutely zero indication in-game or in interviews that they intend to do that. Every DLC reveal (and every character hinted at in the present "leak") suggest they are just trying to fill in the missing pieces. As for their place in the story, I'm quite confident that Project Soul can distill more than enough from their lore to carry a little narrative, even if they do get soul Chronicle stories, which is, from all indication, unlikely anyway.

Now I do hope that once they accomplish that with season two, they consider bringing in at least the SCIV/BD trio and an additional guest, but I'm pretty sure none of them are planned until after that, because all of the codenames fit the last six characters characters from that original span of games, and they increased the size of the second season pass to accommodate exactly the number of characters that would be needed to accomplish that task. It's just too much evidence converging on a common conclusion and with everything the devs have indicated to us, directly and indirectly, about their plans. The only thing arguing for Hilde and Algol and [never, never gonna happen] Viola is that some fans want them in. But I don't think that's enough and I think people are reaching towards their confirmation bias to come up with convoluted explanations for how they could be one of the Final Six, even if the evidence doesn't really hold up. Which is fine! No harm in people enjoying that hope. That kind of daydreaming is what sustains the lottery industry. "Yeah, of course it's not gonna happen....but what if it did!?" I just hope people aren't getting their hopes up so much that when inevitable disappointment hits, they won't buy the actual DLC characters they should have been expecting.

I don't think STAR is Viola, simply because the code-names appear to be based on the literal meanings of previous characters' names rather than their powers or symbolism. They could always bring Viola's fighting style back with a different character, but I can't see that happening either. (Side note, I think it would be cool if they gave Viola's style to an actual Romani character, but on the other hand, I would never trust Namco to not portray such a character in really bad ways.)

We better not get any console-exclusive characters. It's a horrible idea for many, many reasons.
Yup, I noticed that as well. Again, attempts to wedge Viola in here are just a consequence of people grasping at straws. What amuses me about this one (aside from the fact that Viola's apperance is 16-17 years early, in the game where they have been most concerned with establishing a firm chronology of events) is that the reference wouldn't even make sense for her. As you say, it's not related to her name, but even beyond that, her connection is to stars, not her role as a star. Her connection is to zodiac signs, and the constellations from which those signs are derived are made up, like all constellations, of numerous stars, not a single star. As for the tricloured stars, that is clearly a reference to the the Viola tricolour (also known as "heartease" and "three faces in a hood", interestingly enough)--for those unfamiliar, a common European wildflower used for traditional folk remedies and perfumes which plays a role in a lot of European folklore (including zome classical mythology tie-ins). The imagery of stars associated with Viola is always in the multiple, and has nothing to do with her name. Whereas Yun-seong's given name literally means "star" (singular), just as all the other names seem to be rather direct references. Occam's razor, folks.
 
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Hayate

[13] Hero
I can draw another parallel, if what @Sectus said before was also true, that these characters will be released in pairs, then it would make sense for Yell to be Li Long and Star to be Yun-seong, because:

Rock and Li Long (forgotten relics of the past whose styles were usurped)
Yun-seong and Setsuka (tertiary characters related to previous characters)
Aeon and Hwang (characters who are seen in-game and yet don't fight, conspicuously)

I know that Aeon has the one battle in Libra of Soul where it's actually him instead of a random Lizardman, but I really see that as a fluke, more than anything else. Aeon and Hwang feel like they were cut from the main roster of SoulCalibur VI meant to be included more than any other characters. Hwang could have easily been in, like Han-myeong, fighting with Mitsurugi's style, or even with Xianghua's style, but he wasn't seen in combat at all.
If you pay attention they didn't put any major character with CAS Style. Just because they wanted to see if they can make them latter in DLC. Even EdgeMaster can appear later because he is not seen with CAS model.

It would be very intersting to have them with a Story Arc, interracting with other SC6 chars.

For that Aeon & Hwang being DLC 8 & 9 is questionning because of that 4CHAN leaks + Vergeben explanation. Also if you look to their Season Pass model, which was 4 DLC character at each season, it really seems that DLC 8 & 9 are not in the third Season Pass, they seemed to be added after or replanned or something.
 

Rusted Blade

[06] Combatant
Yet nobody bat an eye when Bamco added Geralt, whose latest major title was roughly four years ago.
The difference is that the Witcher III has sold well over a gobsmacking 30 million units in those last four years, with those sales only just recently slowing to a trickle. By comparison, Skyrim has sold not quite 23 million units, and 20 million of those were before 2013. Also, if you are going to reckon the dates by first release as opposed to peak popularity (as AMHP did), then it is worth noting that Skyrim is actually eight years old. Anyway, let's face it: Geralt has a lot more personality than the Dovakhin! (sp?)

To what? Represent all the angry yelling that would follow his inclusion?
I've always imagined that Patty was a huge disappointment to Sophitia. Just a clumsy, obnoxious kid who, even at that age, couldn't figure out how to hold a sword properly. "No, for crying out loud, just hold it in fr--hold it like a sword! Like a person holds a sword! Oh Hermes, you're as hopeless as your father--we better apprentice you at the forge..." It was a mercy that she died before she had to see that it could actually get worse with Pyrrha.
 
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AMillionHP

[13] Hero
The difference is that the Witcher III has sold well over a gobsmacking 30 million units in those last four years, with those sales only just recently slowing to a trickle. By comparison, Skyrim has sold not quite 23 million units, and 20 million of those were before 2013. Also, if you are going to reckon the dates by first release as opposed to peak popularity (as AMHP did), then it is worth noting that Skyrim is actually eight years old. Anyway, let's face it: Geralt has a lot more personality than the Dovakhin! (sp?)
I was gonna reply but you took the words out of my mouth. Only thing i'll add is Geralt is an actual named character. Dovakhin is a title given to a custom character with no set weapon, style, appearance, personality or even gender. There is just the promotional images that only exist because a "suggested design" has to exist for marketing purposes.
 

Rusted Blade

[06] Combatant
I was gonna reply but you took the words out of my mouth. Only thing i'll add is Geralt is an actual named character. Dovakhin is a title given to a custom character with no set weapon, style, appearance, personality or even gender. There is just the promotional images that only exist because a "suggested design" has to exist for marketing purposes.
Yeah, but that said, that design is pretty darn iconic at this point--enough to justify it as a the representative model in a SC game (with various dragon shouts/elder scrolls moves worked into a basic Nordic warrior moveset). I think your initial insight is the most on the mark: the time for it, if ever, was six years ago. But you, know, I bet there are other popular Elder Scrolls characters, and didn't I see that ES:0 has a new major release coming out this year?
 

AMillionHP

[13] Hero
Yeah, but that said, that design is pretty darn iconic at this point--enough to justify it as a the representative model in a SC game (with various dragon shouts/elder scrolls moves worked into a basic Nordic warrior moveset). I think your initial insight is the most on the mark: the time for it, if ever, was six years ago. But you, know, I bet there are other popular Elder Scrolls characters, and didn't I see that ES:0 has a new major release coming out this year?
I imagine ESO always has something in the works as its an MMO but then that probably means there are never any single characters popular enough to justify as a guest.

Honestly i think the best shot would have been Mirrak. At least that is a character and not every guest needs to be a hero. We need villains too. He was on all the promotional images and had a cool voice.
 

RagingGhost

[09] Warrior
But really, what makes you all think Hilde is Yell? For the rest, I agree, it makes sense: Reptile is Aeon, Stone is Rock, Star is Algol (because Viola wouldn't be born, either normally or because something happened to Amy), Yellow could refer to Hwang and Snow could refer to Setsuka (unless Okubo pulls a Harada and reveals Jon Snow from Game of Thrones instead).

As for Yell, I flat-out see no connection between that codename and Hilde. Now, if it was wolf-related, I'd get it. Same thing if that codename was lance or royalty-themed. But Yell? Nope. No link. That's why I think it's more likely to be a newcomer or a guest character.
 

Klimat

[07] Duelist
As for Yell, I flat-out see no connection between that codename and Hilde. Now, if it was wolf-related, I'd get it. Same thing if that codename was lance or royalty-themed. But Yell? Nope. No link. That's why I think it's more likely to be a newcomer or a guest character.
I think the connection is that people feel like there absolutely must be Hilde somewhere among those codenames no matter what and Yell is the one codename that initially had no better explanations, so Hilde got shoved into Yell for that reason. Now that a much better connection has been drawn between Yell and Dampierre I think it might be wise to stop associating Yell with Hilde and instead somehow shove her into Star instead, because there is no way they would exclude Hilde for lesser characters like Rock, am I right?!?!
 

Fatal_Exodus

[14] Master
I honestly think the only obvious ones are Reptile and Stone. The rest seem way too arbitrary for anyone to narrowly pin down.

Time to tweet Okubo about them and hopefully get some implications and hints! /s