rashreflection
[09] Warrior
Gief should be higher, he's pretty dominant against non-shotos.
Shotos aren't even the problem for him. It's that he only outright beats a few of the top and upper mid characters...Sim, Rufus, Gouken, Bison, and that's about it. Gief vs. Sagat and Seth are two of the most lopsided matchups in the whole game. And from what I hear, the Japanese now think Boxer beats him and Viper goes even.
Really, I wouldn't trust a lot of the matchup charts out there in general. Viper is widely considered top-tier now, but you wouldn't know from looking at eventhubs. The console chart is especially problematic because:
1. Japan doesn't play console seriously. This is also why gootecks and his fans are full of shit when they say Seth and Gouken are banned there...they don't run console tournaments in the first place, so it's not like this issue would ever come up.
2. It's taken from a wiki.
Anyway, Sim is sort of the opposite in this regard. He doesn't look as good in a matchup chart, but he beats Sagat and Seth and has no extremely bad matches. And one of the matches he does lose is to a character almost nobody plays...Fuerte. You have a better chance of winning a tournament with Sim alone than with Gief alone, basically.
And speaking of Fuerte, I have him in mid here because he beats Sim and Seth and also has no major counter characters.
In short, all matchups are not equal, and that's what I'm trying to reflect here. Beating Sagat 5.5/4.5 is more important in a tournament than beating Abel 8/2.