TasteTheRainbow
Thinks He's Good
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I'm going to try to answer everyone's questions in one post, so I'm sorry that it's a long read.
I do use Kilik, but he's not my best by any means. I assume your talking about B+K 6B 41236B, right? I'm curious as to why you think that move is brain dead, when 95% of moves in the entire game are easier to pull off than that one. The first attack in that 3 string comes off a tad slow anyway. I do admit I have seen Kilik users abusing that move, but that's not me. I don't abuse any move really, I always try to give my opponent headaches by being unpredictable, which means I have to use almost all of the moves fairly regularly.
So many people are under the "sift through garbage moves and only use the best" mentality on how to play a character. Well guess what, I use the "garbage" moves too, if only for their "SURPRISE" value.
For example Sieg's 3(B). That move is probably his most generally useful move, simply because of the speed, range, and juggling that it presents. Many people have even made the claim that if it weren't for that one move, he would be bottom tier. There might be an element of truth in that last statement. I must admit, I use 3(B) often, but I don't abuse the crap out of it like some people do. Any move, if done too much, your opponent will find a way around it, or counter it, or GI it.
For all I know, using a limited move list for some (or even most) characters is a good idea. But for the characters I use, It just doesn't work.
I really don't know how many ways I can explain this, but I'll try again. Against SOPHIE, it really doesn't matter if you already know exactly what moves she will use against you, because she is fast enough that reacting to her moves is not always feasible. Also, it means nothing to be able to predict your opponent when there's nothing you can do about it anyway. There are too many situations where she gets easy, free damage. Any character that can get away with AA, BB over and over again is IMO a cheese ball character.
Now compare that to Sieg or NM. If they decide to limit the moves to just 5-7 best moves, the opponent will not only predict it, but be able to react to it due to the fact that Sieg and NM are slow.
And besides, just because a certain move is not "the best" doesn't mean it can't be useful.
I guess it really all depends on your definition of "thinking". If Nm has 10 moves for 10 different situations, and SOPHIE's one stupidly powerful move covers 10 situations, then it's pretty safe to say that SOPHIE requires little thought in execution. If I offend any SOPHIE users out there, well that's life, deal with it.
I have given you damned good reasons why I think SOPHIE is brainless cheap ass bitch that anyone can pick up in 15 minutes. Me and an offline friend of mine actually put this to the test. We both got to be pretty damned good with her VERY quickly and with hardly any mental sweat broken. In 15 minutes, his SOPHIE was getting like 40% win ratio to my CASS, which I've used for about 6 months now. Sure I still beat him, but he should NOT have given me that much trouble that quickly, and especially with only 4-5 moves that he used. And you know what he said about it? "Sophitia is by far the easiest and stupidest character in the game". We both stopped using her because it really was no fun at all using her, and not because we thought she was OP (by all means no), but because her style was the most boring to play and watch.
Now if you disagree with me, fine. All I'm trying to do is give an honest, logical answer the best way I can.
I have engaged in pointless back and forth arguments in the past on 8wayrun. I got a little wise on that one. So if you want to critique my argument, fine. But please don't start this childish name-calling by calling me a scrub. I asked Engared once who he thinks is a beginner character, and one of his answers were the sisters. So obviously a very respected and well known SC player shares my opinion.
And for the sake of being fair, AMY is just as mindless.
I'm poor, and my PS3 is busted. Wait 3 more weeks and I promise you, I WILL call you out Vincent.
The only question is, are you willing to put up with a lot of lag because I'm pretty sure we live on opposite sides of the country. I live in (gasp) North Carolina (I hate the south). Too many stupid rednecks who literally cannot read.
If you hate me, fine, but let's keep this civil. No reason for name-calling other than to boost your own ego.
What's that? You're gay with your cousin and you like to play doctor with him? That sounds personal. Keep it to yourself, homo.I did mention that I was poor right? And I also mentioned that I live in North Carolina, so how do you expect me to afford an expensive plane ticket? I can barely pay rent for god's sake.
How old are you, kid? because based off of your childish insults and rants, I'm guessing your about 12 or 13 years old.
It's obvious that you hate gays as well. Bigoted and arrogant. Sounds like your a real class A citizen. Even if you could beat me in this game, I will NEVER RESPECT YOU, because your an arrogant son of a bitch.
And for the record, I am not gay. I just can't stand bigoted ass holes like you. I have a cousin who's gay, and guess what? He's a successful doctor. NOW YOU HAVE MADE THIS PERSONAL!
If I ever do meet you in person, I'm gonna have to try to resist punching you in the face repeatedly. Nothing would satisfy me better than to put you in the hospital with 2 broken hands as to render you incapable of playing SC forever.
You sound so brave now, I would like to see you talk like this in person. Go ahead and try, see how I'll react.
You say I'm a fraud? I say your a coward.
I did mention that I was poor right? And I also mentioned that I live in North Carolina, so how do you expect me to afford an expensive plane ticket? I can barely pay rent for god's sake.
How old are you, kid? because based off of your childish insults and rants, I'm guessing your about 12 or 13 years old.
It's obvious that you hate gays as well. Bigoted and arrogant. Sounds like your a real class A citizen. Even if you could beat me in this game, I will NEVER RESPECT YOU, because your an arrogant son of a bitch.
And for the record, I am not gay. I just can't stand bigoted ass holes like you. I have a cousin who's gay, and guess what? He's a successful doctor. NOW YOU HAVE MADE THIS PERSONAL!
If I ever do meet you in person, I'm gonna have to try to resist punching you in the face repeatedly. Nothing would satisfy me better than to put you in the hospital with 2 broken hands as to render you incapable of playing SC forever.
You sound so brave now, I would like to see you talk like this in person. Go ahead and try, see how I'll react.
You say I'm a fraud? I say your a coward.
You don't have to apologize.I'm going to try to answer everyone's questions in one post, so I'm sorry that it's a long read.
So you're saying you nail i15 TAS B every time?I do use Kilik, but he's not my best by any means. I assume your talking about B+K 6B 41236B, right? I'm curious as to why you think that move is brain dead, when 95% of moves in the entire game are easier to pull off than that one.
You do know it tech jumps, tech crouches, and GIs all mids that aren't kicks right?The first attack in that 3 string comes off a tad slow anyway.
So you used Sophie's 8A+K series?So many people are under the "sift through garbage moves and only use the best" mentality on how to play a character. Well guess what, I use the "garbage" moves too, if only for their "SURPRISE" value.
Don't flail around in TAS B tip range. Just turtle up, or step-G to her right. If you're going to be free you can't complain. If you lose to a mindless Sophie it's your own fault for not having strong enough basics.I really don't know how many ways I can explain this, but I'll try again. Against SOPHIE, it really doesn't matter if you already know exactly what moves she will use against you, because she is fast enough that reacting to her moves is not always feasible.
What are you talking about? AA and BB as punishment?Also, it means nothing to be able to predict your opponent when there's nothing you can do about it anyway. There are too many situations where she gets easy, free damage. Any character that can get away with AA, BB over and over again is IMO a cheese ball character.
So what 10 situations are these?I guess it really all depends on your definition of "thinking". If Nm has 10 moves for 10 different situations, and SOPHIE's one stupidly powerful move covers 10 situations, then it's pretty safe to say that SOPHIE requires little thought in execution.
Until someone plays you (even online), we don't know how solid your are. Sorry, this can't help your argument yet.In 15 minutes, his SOPHIE was getting like 40% win ratio to my CASS, which I've used for about 6 months now.
She IS a good beginning character, but I thought we were talking about high level here.I asked Engared once who he thinks is a beginner character, and one of his answers were the sisters. So obviously a very respected and well known SC player shares my opinion.
Well, when you're done with your irl problems we'll be glad to play you in some amazing high level lag matches. :)snip
As if an online match means anything. I admit that I have virtually no experience with online. As soon as I tried it (with 5 bars mind you), I new right away that it was crap.Well, when you're done with your irl problems we'll be glad to play you in some amazing high level lag matches. :)
Yeah it does take some getting used to, but it will at least determine how good your basics are, like throw breaking, stepping, and safety/respect for frames.As if an online match means anything. I admit that I have virtually no experience with online. As soon as I tried it (with 5 bars mind you), I new right away that it was crap.
Can't say anything about SC3. Haven't played that too much. Also, I own an Xbox, but PSN I've heard is a much better place, so stick with that.But if you insist, I will play you later on down the road, as soon as I get another PS3. Maybe you can check out my youtube vids instead and rate my level of play.