What kind of characters would you like to see in future SC games?

[franman]

I dunno about spears since spears are mainly for poking.

I've seen Hilde holding a spear but only doing horizontals with her short sword.

 

[Sett]

Now everyone is talking about gay characters ffs.

Cerv's style is wielding two giant butter knifes and jumping around like a faggot. Not really a dual sword style.

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[Macaulyn]

Yeah but the Aztec civilization disappeared like 80 years before the events of SCV. The Mayan one, however, managed to "survivre" until 1697 (but just a small village). While the Aztecs are better design-wise, the Mayans are better timeline-wise. But well, it's a game, no need to be that accurate: like the Wolfkrone Kingdom, they could create an Aztec city that wasn't destroyed...

Yeah, but the thing is that Wolfkrone isn't really related to any other kingdom, while the Aztec, well, are the Aztec, they're historical. Though you could say one of them survived, that would be no problem.

Indeed, but Elysium is good as it is IMHO. And I'd rather see Elysium as she is than another possessed character. In the end, Nightmare in SCIII and SCIV is just Inferno going under the name of NM, so Elysium could keep her name :)

If they went as far as to give Elysium a name that refers to heaven to oppose Inferno's hell, then surely they'd give "her" another name to make "her" equal if "she" happens to possess someone.

Please no, no gay characters! They'll be either too flamboyant, or simply be gay as a fanservice, like the handsome tenebrous guy fighting for his dead boyfriend, etc. The story of the Soul series is too weak to add such depth to a character.

What exactly is the problem with that? Also, the story of the Soul series is not weak, it was bad in SCV, but it already has a fair ammount of depth. Also, you should know, pretty much all greek characters (except Pyrrha), Mitsurugi (and possibly others) may be bisexual. Ancient greeks didn't see difference between gay and straight, the only reason you had a wife was to have her bear your "official" children, but sex for pleasure had no gender restriction. And some samurai from the Sengoku period in Japan (which is when Soul Calibur happens) had some types of contracts with young men (shudo) to have them as apprentices/protegees and, in most cases, sex buddies.

I dunno about spears since spears are mainly for poking.

I've seen Hilde holding a spear but only doing horizontals with her short sword.

We're not really that good in the spearmen department. The only ones we had were Seong Mi-na (though I'm not sure if hers is considered a spear), Girardot, Hilde and Xiba (kinda). Seong Mi-na and Girardot are currently out (the latter likely forever), Hilde doesn't really wield the spear alone and she is quite limited on how she uses it and Xiba only has spears within his alternate weapons and don't wield them like actual spears. So yeah, a normal spearman wielding only that would be good.

 

[ZER0]

Remember when Macaulyn was actually relevant to the community XD me neither lol

 

[Marginal]

I don't know, Toki look like he would be cool, but they'd have to redesign him unless they want him to be a boss, he is too big. But the series does need a non-human characters that doesn't suck, since all we have is Aeon. About Geki and Maki, they're boring, and Maki would probably be using Kilik's moveset, they don't seem to have any role besides being random ninjas-made-demons, Toki at least has a more solid backstory.

 

[Macaulyn]

Night Terror isn't much bigger than Nightmare, his wings make him look a lot bigger than he is. Toki towers above everyone else.

 

[JohnMcKee]

Yeah, but the thing is that Wolfkrone isn't really related to any other kingdom, while the Aztec, well, are the Aztec, they're historical. Though you could say one of them survived, that would be no problem.

True that, but having one surviving for 80 years? I dunno, the door would be open for sooo many absurdities this way.

If they went as far as to give Elysium a name that refers to heaven to oppose Inferno's hell, then surely they'd give "her" another name to make "her" equal if "she" happens to possess someone.

They could, but that would be useless: it was Inferno in Soul Edge/Blade because it was its "pure" self. Then SE possessed Siegfried, creating Nightmare, and Nightmare kept that name even after it was dissociated from Siegfried. So why couldn't SC possess someone and still proclaim she is Elysium? But to be honest, I'd rather see Elysium keep a shapeshifting form rather than also possessing people like NM does.

What exactly is the problem with that? Also, the story of the Soul series is not weak, it was bad in SCV, but it already has a fair ammount of depth. Also, you should know, pretty much all greek characters (except Pyrrha), Mitsurugi (and possibly others) may be bisexual. Ancient greeks didn't see difference between gay and straight, the only reason you had a wife was to have her bear your "official" children, but sex for pleasure had no gender restriction. And some samurai from the Sengoku period in Japan (which is when Soul Calibur happens) had some types of contracts with young men (shudo) to have them as apprentices/protegees and, in most cases, sex buddies.

The Soul series is too weak story-wise to start adding such details. We have basic outlines, but just throwing the "gay" factor wouldn't be relevent at all. A flamboyant or tenebrous gay character would be so cliché it would appear stupid.
Well the only reason they had same sex partner was to perform better during battles, as the bond between the two would create a will to protect the other, thus leading fighters to be more fierce. ^^ And you're completely right about that, but it also invalidates your idea to have gay characters: the idea of "gay" didn't exist back then. Creating a gay character in the Soul series would require stereotypes. If they do, chances are we end up with a flamboyant character. If they don't, it would be completely irrelevent. It made sense to state that Dumbledore is gay, but in the Soul series? We'll end up with a generic story "Mr.X wanna find Soul Edge to avenge his boyfriend Mr.Y", meh... :/

 

[Macaulyn]

There are multiple things that could have a character being gay that don't really require a boyfriend involved, look at Kung Jin from Mortal Kombat, he isn't flamboyant or tenebrous, yet his sexuality has influence in his story.

 

[JohnMcKee]

Actually, it hasn't any impact... He doesn't want to join the Shaolin because he fears that being gay will have him rejected, but in the end they accept him because they don't care about his sexuality. To me it appears as a "random gay factor to be politically correct" move.

 

[Macaulyn]

But it is what caused him to be a thief (which led to the commotion he caused later in Outworld, including him gaining favor from Kotal Kahn) as well as what kept him from entering the Shaolin for so long, which is something that constructed his character well. You can't say it hasn't any impact, its probably on what probably is the most useful thing he did in the Story.

 

[JohnMcKee]

Well to me it is rather a random fact rather than an important point. The character is gay, which led him to do such and such but... He could have been Anglican and it would have had the same impact, see what I mean?

 

[Foot]

back to what you said earlier I´d actually rly love the idea of having a necrid like style again. Sounds like a great concept for edgemaster tbh. Instead of a pure mimic he could have a mixture of all styles simply summoning every weapon he likes cause bad ass.

 

[Macaulyn]

Well to me it is rather a random fact rather than an important point. The character is gay, which led him to do such and such but... He could have been Anglican and it would have had the same impact, see what I mean?

By that logic, every fact can be rewritten. That is why Kung Jin's sexuality is not a random fact, it led to important events and can't be thrown away without changing the story, as such, it has an impact on its own.

back to what you said earlier I´d actually rly love the idea of having a necrid like style again. Sounds like a great concept for edgemaster tbh. Instead of a pure mimic he could have a mixture of all styles simply summoning every weapon he likes cause bad ass.

I suggested that earlier:

What about Ares, the greek god of war? As far as I know, he wants to take Soul Edge and gave Aeon new powers. Also, one of Algol's victory quotes in SCV is "Very soon now, all gods shall bow to me!" (or something like that), it seems to imply that Algol wants to defeat the gods and take their places, and Ares would be a perfect choice to add, since he wants Soul Edge and he wouldn't let a mortal try to take his place.

Considering he is a god, I'd expect something a little over the top for him, like Algol, after all, he would very likely be a boss if he entered. I had two ideas:

1 - Spear and Magic - Ares is commonly depicted using Spear and Shield, but I think that would be a little generic for him in SC, since he must feel godlike in comparison to the mortal characters. As such, he could use the spear for normal attacks, and having some magic among his special moves, maybe summoning arrows from offscreen, using fire and summoning chains for his grabs.

2 - Remake of Necrid's kit - Being the god of war, it would make sense if he had all weapons at the same time. Summoning weapons from thin air makes sense for a god, but the moveset would be different than Necrid's, since the latter's was based on SCII weapons. Ares could also have his own different special moves with a little bit of magic here too, so it doesn't end being just copying stuff.

 

[JohnMcKee]

Yup, let's forget about gay suggestions :D

Necrid is definitely a mimic, either having his own sword and mixing various styles, or summoning weapons. But being a random button... Please Bamco, don't waste a slot for that -_-

 

[Foot]

I dont even mind one mimic. I actually think playing edgemaster improves your gameplay. But we dont need 3 of em

 

[Macaulyn]

Its actually a cool challenge to have one character mimicking others randomly, like Charade, Olcadan and Edgemaster did, as it tests how well you do with random movesets (its not a random button, since these characters swap movesets every round, while the random button selects a single character/moveset for the whole playthrough). The problem is when we have 3 of these in a single game, its totally stupid and unncessary.

 

[jtdam09]

I dont even mind one mimic. I actually think playing edgemaster improves your gameplay. But we dont need 3 of em

This, basically.

My bet is on Edgemaster returning again.

My hope is on him being similar to Dural, or Seth. Seth mimics moves, but to a higher degree by enhancing them. Not to mention he simply borrows moves into one unique move set.

However, unarmed fighting styles are easier to put into one than armed fighting styles if the mimic isn't pulling weapons out of thin air.

 

[JohnMcKee]

What I find most stupid in these mimics is they can also use powers: Edgemaster can fly and spit fire (Aeon), make objects appear and disappear (Viola), release energy (Nightmare), control a sword with his mind (Ivy), summon crystals (Siegfried/aPat), summon a wolf (ZWEI), summon Arahabaki (Natsu), teleport (Cervantes/Natsu/Yoshimitsu), and be a vampire (Raphael)... If he can use these powers, why not use all of them at once to be the best?

This kind of mimicry is pretty stupid imho... Necrid-lik mimic > human random button.

 

[franman]

^I usually thought of Soul Calibur as more of a traditional weapons fighting game with some fantasy elements, but as of late, the series is incorporating more fantasy elements into it.

Just say'n.

 

[Macaulyn]

Its kinda necessary, specially when there is always magic involved. I mean, think about it, in the storyline's events, we have greek gods, a man turned into a lizard, two swords that can steal and possess souls, ghosts, alchemists... we can't go on with all that without adding more fantasy to the game.