Yoshimitsu Combo & Tech Trap Discussion

HajimeOwari said:
From play testing tonight, I get the impression that 6B BE has more range than iMCF since he gets a little forward movement. It's a short range emergency button that can lead to ~90-100 dmg easy. I wouldn't call it useless.

mkl: First, thanks for your input. Second, we use the abberviation DGF for Dragonfly stance on these boards. Third, as this is a combo discussion thread and this forum is tournament-centric, please focus on guaranteed combos only. I'm not knocking you, but good players might eat that string of moves the first time, but they'll punish you hard every time after that.
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Yeah, sorry man. I didn't really see a thread for what I wanted to contribute and thought this might be the only one close enough. After RedDjinn's video I think a lot of combos I use regularly are covered. As far as the punishment; naturally. It's not something to abuse but to use once maybe twice and substitute key moves in and out to keep them guessing for other mix ups.

I've seen Dragonfly used both as DGF and MDF and just figured it was a preference thing.
 
JustKill said:
Dr.Dogg, just fyi... BE MCF covers a bit more range than normal !MCF and if it hits normal(non CH) your at more adv than you are after doing normal !MCF(blocked), not sure how much but def leaves Yoshi with faster recovery it seems, since !MCF was 0/+0 in SC4 on block, and the BE one seeming faster on recovery in comparison to the normal !MCF on block, maybe BE version is at +1/+2-ish on block for Yoshi ?
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It has more range, but recovers slower and executes slower.

iMFC = i10, -3 (block), +6 (hit)
6B BE = i13, -4 (block), +6 (hit)
 
^^^...woah, really?...damn, to the eye it seems like it recovers faster, like if you just do quick step( white flash step), seems quicker to get to from there rather than from normal !MCF...interesting, thanks for response.
 
i13 is still pretty fast. Not that it matters. I'm pretty sure the key point is that it has more range.
 
Aright guys, sigh....for the love of Yoshi, i hope you can understand this...


there are 8 slots in each mover for ever time a spaced. This took 4 hrs + to type. Enjoy!!! If someone can take this and make it neater, by all means do so.

note: (-) by its self represents either nothing or data is N/A Ex: Iron Fist possession, no data available for tekken moves, please post frame data when discovered.

Input Level Damage Impact Block Hit Guard Burst Properties

Standing/ A


AA H,H 10,14 12 -8,-6 2,6 - NC


a:B+K H 26 13 -7 -6 - STN CH| Clean Hit: C


6A H 18 15 -6 4 - -
6(A) H,TH 18,30 15 - 13 - AT|NCC
6(A)6 H,TH 18,-30 15 - 13 - AT|NCC
3A,B M,M 12,18 17 -14,-16 -2,STN - -
2A SP-L 12 13 -7 8 - -
2a:B SP-L 10 10 -3 6 - TC|STN CH| -FC
1AAAAA MMMMM 12,10,10,10,18 17 -14,-14,-14,-14,- -4,-4,-4,-4,-4 NCC
1AAAAA(just) MMMMM 12,10,10,10,18 17 -14,-14,-14,-14,- -4,-4,-4,-4,- NCC|BA
4AAAAA HHHHH 12,10,10,10,18 15 -9,-9,-9,-9,-9 2,2,2,2,- NCC
4AAAAA(just) HHHHH 12,10,10,10,18 15 -9,-9,-9,-9,-9 2,2,2,2,- NCC|BA
214A L 24 28 -17 KND 15 TC


Standing/B
















BB M,M 16,16 14 -8,-6 2,4 - NC
bA M 12 15 -10 4 - -
bA(CH) M,TH 14,56 15 -10 KND - AT
6B M 14 13 -6 8 - -
3B M 24 17 -14 LNC 12 TC|R-O
2B M 18 15 -8 2 15 -
1B M 22 28 -16 -6 15 -
1(B) M 82 93 STN STN - UB, Damage: 42 for semi charged B
4B M 36 24 -2 STN 10 Opp~FC(Block)
236B M 60 60 KND KND - TJ|UB
Standing/K
K H 14 13 -8 2 - -
6KK H,M 48,42 15 -20,-16 KND,KND 6 R-O| Clean hit: C
3K M 16 14 -6 4 - -
2K L 12 15 -14 -2 - TC|~FC
1K M 30 36 -8 LNC 8 TC| Clean Hit: C
4K,B M,M 22,30 20 -12,-8 KND,KND 9 R-O|NC
4K,(B) M,M 22,82 20 -12,STN KND,STN 13 R-O|UB, Damage:42 for semi charged B
Standing/ A+B
A+B H 30 40 15 STN 8 BA
(A+B) SS - - - - - -
During (A+B)K M,M 18,18 28 2 STN 10 TJ| Opp~FC(Block)
2A+B,B MM 18,14 23 -6 12 10 NC
2(A+B) M,SS 18 23 1 13 - ~FLEA
8A+B M 80 113 STN STN - TJ|UB
8A+B2_G M 40 54 STN STN - TJ|UB
8A+B4 M 40 92 STN STN - TJ|UB
8A+b,B+K SS - - - - - -
Standing/ B+K
6B+K,BBB M,H,H,M 16 15 -18,-16,-14,-8 -8,-4,-4,KND - NCC|R-O| Clean hit: C
3B+K M 32 22 -4 STN 10 LNC CH
2B+K SS - - - - - TC
1B+K M 24 23 -6 12 10 STN CH
4B+K,BBBBBB SS - - - - TS
9B+K,K M,M 26,30 31 -14,-14 STN,STN 6 TJ|NC
9B+K(K) M,SS 26 31 -31 STN 9 TJ|~DGF
Standing/A+K
A+K M 10 8 - STN - auto-GI: H,M (Horizontal, Body)
2A+K M 90 30 STN STN - UB
2A+K,AAAA M,M,M,M,M 90,20,15,10,5 30 STN STN - UB
2A+K,A+K M,M 90,160 30 STN STN - UB
Full Crouch Attacks
FC,A SP-L 12 12 -7 8 - TC|~FC
FC,2a:B SP-L 10 9 -3 6 - TC|STN CH|~FC
FC,B M 18 14 -8 2 - -
FC, K L 16 14 -14 -2 - ~FC
FC,3k L 22 19 -22 KND - TC|~FC
FC,1KKKKK L,L,L,L,L 20,4,6,4,10 17 -22,-22,-22,-22,-22 -9,-12,-12,-12,-12 - NCC
FC,1KKKKK(just) L,L,L,L,L 20,4,6,4,10 17 -22,-22,-22,-22,-22 -9,-12,-12,-12,-12 - NCC|BA
FC,B+L SS - - - - - -
While Standing Attacks
WS, A M 16 16 -6 6 - -
WS. B M 22 15 -8 2 15 -
WS,K M 18 16 -6 6 15 TC|CH STN
Jumping Attacks
WJ, A M,M,M,SS 20,20,20 31 -6 STN - TC|TJ|~SDF
WJ, B M 22-28 24 -6 4 15 TJ
WJ, K M 22-26 20 -12 KND - TJ
8-Way Run/ A
66_33_99A M 26 17 -12 8 12 R-O|TC|CH STN
22_88A L 26 36 -14 6 - -
44_11_77A M 38 24 -6 KND 13 R-O
8-Way Run/ B
66_33_99B M 28 17 -12 8 12 R-O|TC|CH STN
33_99B,B+K,A+B,K M,M,H,M 26,30,10,18 17 -12,-17,-26,-18 8,-4,18,LNC 5 R-O|TC|TJ|LNC CH
33_99B,B+K,(A+B) M,M,H,M 26,30,10,80 17 -12,-17,-26,STN 8,-4,-18,STN 5 RO|TC|TJ|UB|LNC CH
33_99B,B+K,(A+B)4_2_G M,M,H,M 26,30,0,40 17 -12,-17,-26,STN 8,-4,-18,STN 5 RO|TC|TJ|UB|LNC CH
33_99B,B+K,(A+B)B+K M,M,H,SS 26,30,10 17 -12,-17,- 8,-4,-18,- 5 RO|TC|TJ|LNC CH
33_99B,(B+K),A+B,K M,M,H,M 26,30,10,18 17 -12,-17,-26,-18 8,-4,18,LNC 7 RO|TC|TJ|LNC CH
33_99B,(B+K) ,(A+B) M,M,H,M 26,30,10,80 17 -12,-17,-26,STN 8,-4,18,STN 7 RO|TC|TJ|UB|LNC CH
33_99B,(B+K),(A+B)4_2_G M,M,H,M 26,30,10,40 17 -12,-17,-26,STN 8,-4,-18,- 7 RO|TC|TJ|UB|LNC CH
33_99B,(B+K),(A+B),(B+K) M,M,H,SS 26,30,10 17 -12,-17,- 8,-4,-18 7 RO|TC|TJ|~DGF|LNC CH
22_88B M 28 33 -14 LNC 9 R-O|TC
11_77B M 24 32 -16 2 11 TC|KND CH
44B M 130 80 KND KND - UB
44b,A M,M,M,M,M,M 20x7 24 -14,-16,-16,-16,-25,-5 KNDx7 8 NC
44b,B H 22 18 -9 -3 12 CH STN| Clean Hit: C
8-Way Run/ K
66_33_99K M 24 17 -10 KND 13 TJ|R-O
22_88K H 30 38 0 STN 11 -
44_11_77K,B MM 24,30 20 -12,-8 KND,KND 8 NC|R-O|11_77K Damage: 20
44_11_77K,(B) MM 24,82 20 KND KND 12 R-O|UB| Damage: 42 w/semi charge B|11_77K damage :20
8_Way Run/ Simultaneous
66_33_99_22A+B M 42 30 -7 STN 9 Clean Hit: C
66_33_99_22A+B ,2 L 20 42 -20 -2 13 -

66_33_99_22A+Bb,(B+K) SS - - - - - - ~FLEA
66_33_99_22A+B ,2,B+K SS - - - - - ~Indian Stance
66_33_99B+K,A+B,K M,H,M 30,10,18 23 -17,-26,-18 -4,-18,LNC 8 TJ|TC
66_33_99B+K,(A+B) M,H,M 30,10,80 23 -17,-26,STN -4,-18,STN 8 TJ|UB
66_33_99B+K,(A+B)4_2_G M,H,M 30,10,40 23 -17,-26,STN -4,-18,STN 8 TJ|UB
66_33_99B+K,(A+B)B+K M,H,SS 30,10 23 -17,- -4,-18,- 8 TJ|~DGF
66_33_99(B+K),A+B,K M,H,M 30,10,18 23 -17,-26,-18 -4,-18,LNC 10 TJ|TC
66_33_99(B+K),(A+B) M,H,M 30,10,80 23 -17,-26,-18 -4,-18,STN 10 TJ|UB
66_33_99(B+K),(A+B)4_2_G M,H,M 30,10,40 23 -17,-26,STN -4,-18,STN 10 TJ|UB
66_33_99(B+K),(A+B),B+K M,H,SS 30,10 23 -17,- -4,-18,- 10 TJ~DGF
44_11_77_22_88 B+K M 40 39 -8 KND 7 TC|11_77B+K: Damage: 38
44_11_77_22_88 B+k,B+K SS - - - - - ~FLEA
44_11_77_22_88B+K,2,B+K SS - - - - - ~Indian Stance
66A+K - - - - - - ~BT
66(A+K) 110 44 STN STN - - UB
66(A+K),A,A,A,A 110,20,15,10,5 44 STN STN - UB
66A+K,A+K 110,160 44 STN STN - UB
Running Attacks
WR, K L 26 21 -22 KND - TJ|R-O
Throws
A+G H,TH 50 17 - - - -
B+G H,TH 55 17 - - - -
Left side throw H,TH 60 17 - - - -
Right side throw H,TH 60 17 - - - -
Back throw H,TH 70 17 - - - -
B+G,6 H,TH 30 17 - - - - Damage only when escaped
B+G,4 H,TH 30 17 - - - - Damage only when not escaped
214,A+G H,TH 65 17 - - - - R-O
During stances G,A+G H,TH 60 17 - - - -
During stances G,B+G H,TH 60 17 - - - -
Back Turn Attacks
BT,A H 12 14 -6 6 - -
BT,2,A SPL 14 15 -6 8 - TC|~FC
BT,8,A M,M,M,SS 20 32 -9 KND 15 R-O|TC|TJ|~SDF
BT,B M 18 16 -6 4 15 -
BT,2,B M 20 17 -8 2 13 FC
BT,K H 16 15 -8 2 - -
BT, A+B H 30 40 15 STN - BA
BT, (A+B) SS - - - - - -
BT, (During (A+B)),K M,M 18,18 28 2 STN 10 TJ|TC|LNC CH
BT, 2, A+K M 90 30 STN STN - UB
BT, 2,A+K,AAAA M,M,M,M,M 90,20,15,10,5 STN STN - UB
BT,2, A+K,A+K M,M 90,160 30 STN STN - UB
FLEA: B+K Attacks
FLEA SS - - - - - TJ
BT, FLEA, SS - - - - - TJ
FLEA, A L 28 36 -16 2 13 TC
FLEA, B M 20 17 -10 6 15 TJ|TC|LNC CH
FLEA, (B) M 30 27 0 LNC 10 TJ|TC
FLEA, K M,SS 30 22 -8 LNC 13 TJ|~DGF
FLEA,(K) L 18 23 -22 -14 - TJ
FLEA, A+B M,SS 20 38 12 STN 8 TJ
FLEA,(A+B) M,SS 40 57 10 STN 6 STJ
FLEA, 6_4,A+B M,SS 20 42 12 STN 8 TJ
FLEA,6_4,(A+B) M,SS 40 74 10 STN 6 STJ
FLEA, 2, A+B SS - - - - - TC
FLEA, B+K SPM,SS 10 2 2 STN - GI
FLEA,2,B+K SS - - - - - ~Indian Stance
FLEA,8B+K SS - - - - - ~DGF
FLEA,6_4 SS - - - - - -
FLEA, 66 L,L,L 10,10,10 9 -27 -15 - TC|NC
FLEA,2_8 SS - - - - - -
Indian Stance: 2,B+K Attacks
IND SS - - - - - TC
BT,IND SS - - - - - TC
Face upward, on the ground IND SS - - - - - TC
IND,A L 28 41 -16 2 11 TC
IND, B M 40 55 8 STN 6 TJ|BA| Clean Hit: C
IND,K M 30 45 -8 LNC 7 TC
IND,A+B SS - - - - - auto-GI: H,M,L (Vertical, body, Stab)
IND,A+B(Impact successful)K - - - - - - UB| Clean Hit: A
IND,A+B(Impact successful)K(just) - - - - - - UB
IND,6_4 SS - - - - - STC|~IND
IND,6_4,K L 24 18 -35 -26 - STC| Clean Hit :C
IND,2,A+B - - - - - - -
IND,B+K SS - - - - - ~FLEA
IND,(2B+K) SS - - - - - -
IND,8,B+K SS - - - - - ~DGF
IND,A+K M 80 62 STN STN - TC|UB
IND,A+K,A+K M,M 80,80 62 STN STN - TC|UB
IND,A+K,A,A+K M,M,M 80,80,80 62 STN STN - TC|UB
IND,A+K,A+B M 80 62 STN STN - TC|UB
Manji Dragonfly: 8B+K Attacks
DGF SS - - - - - TJ
BT,DGF SS - - - - - TJ
DGF,A H,SS 18 18 8 STN - TJ|~DGF|BA
DGF,B M 24 30 -5 STN 9 TJ
DGF,K L 18 22 -24 KND - TJ
Enemy mid air during DGF,A+B H,TH 10,60 21 -16 -6 13 TJ|~DGF
6_4_2_8A+B SS - - - - - TJ
DGF,B+K SS - - - - - ~FLEA
DGF,2,B+K SS - - - - - ~IND
DGF,8,B+K SS - - - - - ~SDGF
Super Dragon Fly:DGF,8,B+K Attacks
SDGF,A M 30 30 -8 KND - STJ
SDGF,B M 42 21 STN STN - STJ|UB
SDGF,K,K SPM,L 30 69 -29 STN - STJ
SDGF,K,K(Just) SPM,L 30 62 -32 STN 6 STJ| auto-GI: H,M,L (All)
SDGF6_4_2_8A+B SS - - - - - STJ
SDGF,2B+K SPM,L,M,SS 40,30 56 - STN 4 STJ|TC|BA
SDGF,8,B+K SS - - - - - TJ|~DGF
SDGF A+K M 120 30 STN STN - STJ|UB
Iron-Fist Possession
4A+K - - - - - - Clean Hit: C
Brave Edge
3A,b,A+B+K M,M,M 12,8,18 17 -14,-14 -2 LNC 9 NCC
6,b,A+B+K SPL 10 13 -4 6 - STN CH
66_33_99a,A+B+K M,M 26,10 21 -6 10 8 NC| Clean Hit: A
Critical Edge
236,236,A+B+K L,L-TH 10,10,3x17,22 16 -20 KND 7 -
 
Wow, the B on 4KB is only -8 on block instead of -14 like in SCIV. Still isn't great, but that's a buff. Thanks so much for that Vicious. I will definitely be scouring over that for the next few days.
 
Thanks a ton Vicious!

EDIT: If you can send me the Word file, I can convert it to HTML and upload it to my site. []
 
Hey yo, I think i found some yoshi iMCF BE combo that makes his 66a+abk BE even better.
Need others to test and experiment as well.

iMCF, 66a+ABK, 9B+KK - does 100+ damage. I think they can tech the second K of 9B+K but if they do, its an tech trap and they take an additional 10 damage.

Ok, just saw you can tech the second K to the right, but anywhere else it hits.

Hmm, this appears to be character specific. Works on nightmare, and natsu... still need to test others
 
mkl said:
Wow, the B on 4KB is only -8 on block instead of -14 like in SCIV. Still isn't great, but that's a buff. Thanks so much for that Vicious. I will definitely be scouring over that for the next few days.
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I think that's a pretty good buff! It's a staple mid range attack IMO and now it's totally safe!

Thanks for the data Vicious!
 
Something I haven't been seeing people do in match videos, which surprises me...

One of the listed combos in Training Mode is 214A,DNK,3B. I've never failed to land the full combo, even in serious matches, so I'm sure the last hit is guaranteed, but I haven't seen the full string (that is, with the final 3B) used often in match vids (e.g. in the MarkMan vs. FilthieRich matches). Is there a reason you wouldn't want to go for the guaranteed damage? Just to keep them closer for oki setups? []
 
Yoshi seems to have tons of tech traps, tough most of the time I will use 3B delayed to get the launcher and good damage.
Too lazy to write them up, lol, but basically, UB traps, CE traps, etc, the same.. We need this to deal damage, Yoshi's BE is a joke, better save those bars for CE and GI.
 
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