Yoshimitsu Web Theater.

nice use of 33B,B+K in combos and also 33A+B~iMCF ^^
Don't be afraid to step more, step to 6K, 33B or 214A are excellent tools against linear characters like raphael. Against Voldo, iMCF is godlike, forces Voldo to take his distances and yoshi can turtle against him (33B zoning, whiff punish with 4K, fear of FC 3K…)
 
Damn, got raped… Setsuka's 2363B is just too strong… Two videos coming soon!
What do you think the match-up is? 7-3 for Setsuka IMO. 2363B, 4A owns yoshimitsu

Docvizzo :sc3set1: vs Furzy :sc2yos2: 5:2
Docvizzo :sc3set1: vs Furzy :sc2yos2: 5:2
Docvizzo :sc3set1: vs Furzy :sc2yos2: 5:2
Docvizzo :sc3set1: vs Furzy :sc2yos2: 5:2
Docvizzo :sc3set1: vs Furzy :sc2yos2: 5:2
Docvizzo :sc3set1: vs Furzy :sc2yos2: 5:2
Docvizzo :sc3set1: vs Furzy :sc2yos2: 5:4 (Video coming soon)
Docvizzo :sc3set1: vs Furzy :sc2yos2: 5:1 (Video coming soon)
 
I've never had alot of trouble with sets... I seem to set up iMCF more on her than other people because of her "fake" frame traps, but yea damn looks like you got raped ;) lol Doc's sets must be gettin serious, that or your yoshi is hitting a plateau... That list I made for iMCF set-ups is pretty good against sets, lots of AA, BB, 6A, A, B, K, 2A, iMCF, 44bA:G, 9B, anytime sets goes into a move that makes her FC just block... be ready to break throws as thats where alot of her damage comes from and dont whiff ;) haha would like to see the vids.

Crimson I watched your vids, You look a little different playing offline, I guess you were shaken up or like you said had no exp. against raph, and Enks voldo just schooled you lol better get some exp against them both before that tourney because you know you will be playing them... and be confident I've seen you play so I know your good but offline and online being good are kinda two seperate worlds...
 
RedDjinn said:
I've never had alot of trouble with sets... I seem to set up iMCF more on her than other people because of her "fake" frame traps, but yea damn looks like you got raped ;) lol Doc's sets must be gettin serious, that or your yoshi is hitting a plateau...
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haha of COURSE my setsuka is serious business :) In the 5:4 i played really really bad at the end, you should check the 5:1 to get a better view of the matchup. It is HEAVILY in Setsukas favour, 7:3 imo. Furzy steps extremely good, his throwbreaking is also good. But overall Setsuka has just an extreme advantage. A few months ago i could give Furzy tips also, but i know i really dont know what to say, he is playing good but still gets raped 5:2 or 5:1 all the time. The 5:4 indeed was a big exception :)
 
Like doc said. After a while, the match-up speaks for itself. Gimmicks and iMCF "traps" raaarely work, Setsuka will just keep her distance with 2363B and 4A. iMCF only works on wake-up. Only thing yoshi can do is turtle with 4K and 33B. An occasional SDGF is always good since she can't hit him in the air. Throws are pretty risky since she has so many good TCs. FC 1K series is always good for cheap damage and "missed punishment" bait, also the CH hurts a lot.

I don't think I made big mistakes (or did I doc?), match-up is definitely 7-3, same difficulty as Ivy for me. :p
 
Maybe you could try to play a bit more in asshole-mode. 1KKK, throw, 33B, 4K, throws. Just those moves, very very carefully. I dont know how it will turn out. Setsuka can adapt easily, lol i really dont know what to do different. Maybe you'll get some tips when the vids are on...
 
iMCF on wakes lol why would you iMCF on wake? Who wakes up and trys to hit yoshi?

Anyways I've played good setsukas, an i9 move will work you just have to throw it in there more. You play doc alot, he probably just knows your style too well... Ivy is a way harder match up than sets for me... So I feel your pain there, You cant really go wrong with the set-ups I listed... They are safe, fast easy pokes that lead to big damage. Even if iMCF doesnt hit after your still safe, poke her to death... Go for anything risky and your screwed... DTN's safe yoshi would probably do well against doc...
 
Two things:

1. Setsu's 33B beats all yoshi's options on wake-up if timed well. That's your answer to "who wakes up and trys to hit yoshi" :p
2. iMCF is steppable. If the opponent expects it (which will happen if you play a lot against the same person), you'll get hit by Sets 1B:B or worse. I know iMCF's recovery is fast but so are doc's reactions.

EDIT: just understood what you meant with "why would you iMCF on wake". I meant when I wake up, not my opponent. Hits them if they try to throw or any other slow move.
 
Oh also forgot for those of you who play against Setsuka, 4A+B is pretty good since it evades on Setsu's weak side.
 
Reddjinn i know Yoshis setups for iMCF very well, even this is very risky since i can do backdash into 33B easily. Or just backdash into 1BB. Whatever. I can do whatever i want basically and will beat Yoshi. Still he gets the most damage of MCF i guess, because i play hyper aggresive most of the time. Also 2143B:B has an evade which works very well against MCF and is good damage.

And yes im pretty interested in how i will do with Setsuka against DTN. I only played him once best of five with Cervantes which ended 3:2 for him. And Setsuka>>>Cervantes, so im confident i will do well against him too :) Well does not mean win, lol :P
I think i'll go to Paris in January, then we will see :)
 
LoL well I wish you luck with that ;) DTN's yoshi isnt even that good really as far as combos and shit go, hes just very weird, safe style, and he uses the "deathcopter" which everyone says never works lol like every time in his combos and from what I can tell everyone gets hit by it and they all know how to step, and I dont care what either of you say you cant hold iMCF back against an aggressive player... If your turtling with sets thats a little different, but theres still ways to bait punishment, TAUNT into iMCF works well! :) haha trust me it may be a gimmick but the shit works... Duno LoLo, Furzy, me and hajime are the only people I see throw iMCF consistantly, even DTN doesnt do it and still does very well.

Like you say once youve seen the set ups they dont work as much, but no matter how much you think you know theres always other shit you can do, if you know I'm going to do iMCF after B,B then I THROW? lol what now probably after B,B you will choose to attack next time, then you iMCF, or if I do A,A you block it usually if your close I could do iMCF, but whats gold after A,A is back dash to 33A+B, I duno why but A,A on block with yoshi doing a little back step will put you just out of range of most peoples moves so they will whiff then you hit with 33A+B.

also just 33B is safe so throw it out more ;) Anyways I got to wait till I see the vids... I've never really watchs docs sets in the first place so I'm interested to see!
 
What if your Setsu opponent just spams 33B? When are you gonna get an occasion to BB, AA or iMCF? You first have to get in range which is f*** hard against her (4A). That's why I usually prefer to take my distance against her and try to nail CH 33B or whiff punish with 4K.
A good opponent WON'T try to attack yoshi after a blocked BB, AA or anything like that. Just backdash. Believe it. :p

But enough talk, let's wait for the vids ^^
 
What's 2363B? (I played Sets in 2008 as my secondary but then dropped her. I completely forgot the inputs)

33B is very linear, and I think you can punish it with... iMCF :P (not sure if the range allows that though) This move isn't THAT good in SC4, in SC3 it was super broken, i16 with an easy 150+dmg combo on CH.
 
2363B is the same move, except it's preceded by a little "wave dash", allowing Setsuka to realign herself and making the move a hell of a lot more difficult to step. :) 33B alone is crap IMO, too easy to step.
 
Wont a blocked 33B put you in range? LoL shit work on GI'ing that shit, Alot of sets I play I can feel when they are waiting around on the outside for that 33B, I've seen good players attack after things they shouldnt ;) People are only human, No one reacts the same way to something everytime and if they do then you should react to that, if they are back dashing after your B,B then do iFC 3K or 66A+B fakes lol Everyone on this game is readable and beatable, Sorry furzy docs just reading your game better than your reading his ;) Yoshi has plenty of deadly weapons, SETS is just alot safer...

But roger! I shall shut up till I see the videos... lol should have recorded more than 2 though! :P
 
RedDjinn said:
Wont a blocked 33B put you in range?
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Unfortunately no, except from close range. But what good Setsuka is gonna do 33B on close range?

RedDjinn said:
LoL shit work on GI'ing that shit
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I take it you're kidding ;) If not, why would I risk a third of my life bar to GI an i17 move with no guaranteed stuff after?

RedDjinn said:
Alot of sets I play I can feel when they are waiting around on the outside for that 33B, I've seen good players attack after things they shouldnt ;)
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I'm curious, what good players are you talking about?

RedDjinn said:
If they are back dashing after your B,B then do iFC 3K or 66A+B fakes lol
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Sure I could (and I do sometimes, wait for the vids) but I still risk a lot.

RedDjinn said:
Everyone on this game is readable and beatable, Sorry furzy docs just reading your game better than your reading his ;)
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There you're probably right.

RedDjinn said:
Yoshi has plenty of deadly weapons, SETS is just alot safer...
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True. That's the problem.
 
Mick, Big Boi, JTO, Cordy are the offline people I've played, all of which are pretty good ;) Granted it was only a few times but they still attacked when they shouldnt have, Online I've played lots of good people, but its online so we wont get into that.

My tips are valid either way, If he was beating you that bad then to prove that this match up is really as bad as you say it is he would have to play another yoshi and beat him that bad. Otherwise doc just found your kryptonite...

If I lived over there I'd be all over ya'll like white on rice, come live in tennesse then see how good your game will get with 0 competition... When I lived in japan I played good people on Soul Cal 2 everyday, there would be about 20 JN's on the other side waiting for a crack at me, The skill is there I just have no one to practice with on a regular basis offline.

Doesnt mean my advice isnt worth considering though...
 
Lets all wait for the videos, then it will be easier to discuss this :P

@ Ring

what i like to do is 236236KG, which cancels the dash immediately, then when he already stepped another 236B. It works really well, i found this after EBO of course. Cancelling the dash makes it a lot harder to step it properly...
 
Only got to really play Yoshi offline at FSAK. In my head, Sets out-ranges him, though, and it seems like most of his attacks that cover a lot of distance are pretty slow. I think it's in Sets favor (Though I have to play more Yoshi's to understand how much). I'm pretty sure, though, that his...attack that he leads off Shark attack with (the hilt hit, not the flip) can whiff punish her if she tries to bait a CH with properly spaced 33B.

Other than that, it's probably just Doc playing to the character's strengths and playing you so much. While I do believe that Set's only bad matchup is Sophie, I think she's a character where you have to play to your opponent and the matchup no matter how much it's in her favor. When you realize that most of her stuff at close range is relatively slow (except for A, 2A, B, and umbrella), you can prety much play defensively (choosing to jump or duck at the right time) and it puts her in the situation that she has to guess right. Just stick to Yoshi's basic pokes until you get your opponent to start guessing and making mistakes and you should be able to crack her.

Still, I don't know how either of you play; I'm really the only Sets player I've ever seen use her AA like I do, so yeah. Still, even though i think the match is in Set's favor, there's no way it's 7-3.
 
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