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Actually I rarely duck against her, it's not really the issue. The issue really is how she catches me in my step :-/

Thanks for the tips, a few questions/comments:
– A couple A throws will still hurt you know :) So yeah I agree, break B, but if the Setsuka player abuses throws, you'll eventually want to duck.
– 214 wins against bA?? Nice, didn't know that
– 214A against 4A depends of the range unfortunately. And it's still low-risk/high-reward for setsuka and high-risk/mid-reward for yoshi :-/ Got to try 9B+K, seems promising.
– You do mean to her left, right? A stepped 33B on setsuka's left will get you a back throw sometimes. Step on her right and you will occasionally eat the 33B. Not sure about the other moves though, but 33B is definitely more steppable on Setsuka's left.
– Yeah, noticed that, it's pretty good :) Although if SHE anticipates it, you will be stepped and punished pretty badly.

Vids are uploading
 
Hey Doc & Furz! xD

Just saw your last vids Yoshi vs Setsu.
They were pretty awesome, however I have a few things to comment

Doc - you seem to like setsuka revers-mixup beter than the normal one. I wonder why. All this 33B got blocked too often. You have to learn when your opponent is afraid and then mixup. Its not like you're playing vs Sophitia, who can fuck your basic mixup (aGI 1B:B (52), punish throw and 1AA (72~80)) , youshi can't do much about this. So I think you have to be a little more confident - try more run up/mixup. It will also improve your 33B hit chance. Try to notice when your moves get blocked too much and figure out what to do then.
Setsuka is one of those characters when you have good tools all around and can think oh ok it got blocked then I do move X. But someday your move will get punished and you have to know how to minimize risk you take. You have to know HOW opponent want to get around, and WHAT to do then.
I loved everything else outside from what I posted above. Your execution is really great. I loved non-basic combos off 1B:B. You punished (or tried to) well.

Furzy: SON, I AM DISAPPOINT!
what the fuck were you doing. no fc 3K, talk about spacing control. You've only been turtling all the time. I dont want to hear excuses. Next time pls unleash the OWNAGE.
 
Ahaha right, I've been traumatized ^^ Don't worry, the power will come back, hopefully today :p But yeah, I'm disapointed too

By the way, you're a fast one, I didn't even finish uploading all the vids lol
 
19/10/10

Furzy :sc2yos2: VS Docvizzo :sc3set1: : 4-5
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Furzy :sc2yos2: VS Docvizzo :sc3set1: : 1-5
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@ Belial

thanks for the input. I still devolope a lot with Setsuka, i have the feeling i get better from day to day with her. So when i have the feeling i can dominate with backdash 33B i dont see too much reason to change my style of course. But you are absolutely right about running up and doing basic 1AAA and 1BB mixup, actually i think in the 5:1 i do this a bit more. Maybe you got the wrong vid, not sure:) But of course i know Furzy so well, so i can read his game pretty well, could be a reason i use stuff to counter him more than forcing my 50/50 mixup on him. Gonna work on that. I had big trouble with 1AAA on Furzys TV so i havent implemented it in my game yet as i liked to have...

EDIT: Yeah i think i played better in the second set, but still not enough forced 1BB/1AAA mixups...but for my defence i have to say that iMCF from the ground is a bit scary sometimes :)
 
LoL at iMCF challenge... I can hit them back to back till my thumbs fall off, and sorry furzy no sliding just isnt the efficient way to do iMCF... Headed to watch the vids now.. be back shortly... Well for some reason cant do them on my phone, so I'll have to wait till after I get off work to watch them I guess...

Next time I'm in memphis and I'm on that really good internet LoLo me you and hajime got to go at it again, that night was too fun, plus I was just getting back into the game then.... and I want some revenge ;)

Whats the exact name of the vids I tried Furzy docvizzo but I could only find one recent vid and for some reason it wouldn't run? I saw all the old vids but those are old news so not really interested in those...
 
Weird, I put both our nicknames as tags on the vids, you should find them :-/ Try to go into my channel, you should find them.

and sorry furzy no sliding just isnt the efficient way to do iMCF...
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Let me propose you a challenge then ;) You do iMCF with sliding and I do them with "tapping", let's see who wins!
 
Haha I'd accept that challenge, If I had a way to record... Maybe i can get one of my friends online to record me doing it, trust me I'd be sliding thats the only way I can do it, but my success rate is almost 100% even when I'm online... I've tried tapping and I just dont see how u do it that way! lol more props to you though ;) and k i'll try to check his channel, at work I cant get on youtube :( but I can from my phone, its just sometimes youtube is fishy on my phone! I shall check them shortly... All these iMCF challenges really would be interesting to see ;) I'll work on getting a vid of me out... but it will have to be online but it wont matter I can still hit them all day ;) iMCF RCC iMCF ? or just iMCF? :P and one minute? haha sounds fun

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how about a serie of:
– 33A+B, iMCF
– 2K RCC iMCF
– iMCF RCC iMCF
– CH aB+K, iMCF

But one minute is too long, no real interest, how about 20 seconds each? ^^
 
The best one of course is IMCF~RCC~IMCF...normal MCFs do NOT count!

I challenge all Setsukas to most JF Umbrellas in 30 seconds! Furzy maybe we can do a Vid in which you do iMCFs and i do JF Umbrellas at the same time :)
 
Well watched a few of the vids, still have more to watch but damn he was spamming 33B like a french hooker ! lol Several times I saw Doc attack after a blocked B,B but several times I also saw him do things that would have avoided iMCF after a blocked B,B... Working in iFC 3k with the 4K,B fakes was doing you some good as well, maybe try that a little more.

I loved your iMCF combos, the iMCF RCC 3AB, 44BB, 33B,B+K was very nice saw you do that several times, You missed out on some wall damage, be prepared when they are by the wall to bust out those heavy wall combos, Yoshi has one of the sickest wall games in SC4 ~! Every time they hit the wall be prepared to do either 2A+B,B 33B, 1(B) level 2 or 3 depending on the fall and position, or the 19 hitter I made up which wouldnt be hard for you to do at all...

Like they said maybe work on GI'ing that 1B,B I could see where that could get you in trouble a bit though, When you see him outside fishing for that 33B try to judge where it will end and do 33A+B or 66A+B, Sometimes you can judge it so right to where the 33B will whiff as your going in for the 33A+B...

Also try throwing sometimes while in SDGF, usually people will step G and they will get hit by the throw, maybe a little risky but wouldnt hurt to try now and then, plus stance throws are just too good of damage to pass up.

I have to say you did use iMCF much more than I usually see, but Ive only watched your old videos, I cant complain on the iMCF usage it was very nice but there are a few more spots after blocked moves you could have threw it in. Also I didnt seem much 6A... do you not like this move or did you just forget about it? Maybe some more pokes you could throw in would be 11_77A, more 3K, 2B at tip range, way more 6A, Standing 4A' just series is good as well, if you can do 1K series I know you can do 4A... iMCF to FC 3K mixed with 4K(B) throws some people off as well... iMCF to 4K(B) is one of my favs now.
More 9B and 9K. You are right 9B sets up very well for iMCF plus its good SG dmg.

You guys re GI's and JI's was sick ;) Very high level play by you both, like I said I think this is mostly because doc knows your game very well and he knows what he can get away with against you. I'll watch the rest of the fights while on lunch! From what I saw so far even if you did lose they were very interesting fights and with a couple corrections could have gone either way. So 6 - 4 maybe 7 - 3 i dont see it yet ;)

Maybe the next session will convince me! Will you two be recording again soon ?
 
docvizzo said:
The best one of course is IMCF~RCC~IMCF...normal MCFs do NOT count!

I challenge all Setsukas to most JF Umbrellas in 30 seconds! Furzy maybe we can do a Vid in which you do iMCFs and i do JF Umbrellas at the same time :)
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I agree, just gross iMCF RCC iMCF... I can do JF umbrella as well, is somewhat easier than iMCF, tough I'm not calibrated to do it as soon as the recovery frames are finished.

@Hajime, the master of 214A, does 214A evades Sets B+K?... If it does, once you have trained your Sets pet to not abuse JF Umbrella, 214A could help a lot in close-mid range, otherwise is risky, good tips, tough I wouldn´t try to evade Sets bA with 214A when it can be punished hard.
 
@ Reddjinn

Im going to Furzy in a an hour, if he is ok with it we can record, sure. Maybe it will be different again! Who knows...
 
LoL sweet! I really enjoyed those matches I must say, Furzy just had little slip ups here and there but thats all it takes with her I guess... Dont attack at disadvantage Furzy! lol unless its iMCF :P Throw all these tips together and make some magic ;)
 
Okaaaay, so… Did four FT5 against doc, it's already better, thanks for the advice everyone.
Here's what's good against her IMO:
– 66K is pretty good when she backdashes or when you expect a 4A. It's fast, not very punishable and you get a KD. On the other hand it's easily steppable.
– 214A works well against a lot of moves, but the punishment is sooo bad it's not worth it IMO.
– I didn't know till today that I could punish 1A:A with 4K -__- I always did 6B until now because of the pushback… Gotta take the habit.
– the second B of Yoshi's BB catches her a lot in her backdashing moves so it's pretty good.

Number of rounds won were pretty close on some FT5, makes it all the more annoying. I lost all four FT5. I played pretty bad on some rounds, missed punishment, bad seppuku's… but there's already progress so I think it's a good sign. Videos will come in the following days.

21/10/10

Furzy :sc2yos2: VS Docvizzo :sc3set1: : 3-5
Furzy :sc2yos2: VS Docvizzo :sc3set1: : 1-5
Furzy :sc2yos2: VS Docvizzo :sc3set1: : 3-5
Furzy :sc2yos2: VS Docvizzo :sc3set1: : 2-5
 
I just watched Set 2 and I just noticed one HUGE mistake you're making vs. Sets, Furzy! So much so that I really couldn't think of anything else except, "Damn! Doc's stylin' on him!"

More often than when in range for Set's tip WR A, you step back, to the left, or both. Now I'm not saying that it's going to be instant win, but, if you're side-stepping, you want to step to Set's RIGHT in order to neutralize 33B. Though she has a number of ways around this, it forces her to change up her game and you can take advantage of that. If you keep stepping her the way you are, you're just opening yourself up to all sorts of 33B punishment (you're either going to end up stepping and having to block, which nets you nothing, or end up eating a CH 33B). On top of that, Yoshi really doesn't have too much of effective anything to contend with Sets at the range you're backstepping at, either. To illustrate that, you can even watch your second vid of the second set vs. Doc, where blocked 33b ---> anything basically became free to him.

EDIT!: Just got into the first 30 seconds of your matches from the first vid and, if you don't believe what I'm saying about his 33B, just watch that. x_X
 
Doc: Fucked up camera movement means your A throw has less value than either B throw. I've seen it happen too often. If you're mixing up equally, then that's fine. It still makes more sense to break B more often than A. But that's neither here nor there. More like something to just keep in mind against every Setsuka until you get to know them. =)

Lolo: 214A master? Psh. On-line and when I'm nervous only. hehe. ^_^ It's not that I was intentionally trying to avoid bA with 214A. I just happened to 214A to avoid something I was expecting from ShenRei and he went for bA to step-kill me. Still, try it out in general. It's like using 214A against Siegfried's main tools. It's that good against her (if she's not turtling).

Furzy said:
– A couple A throws will still hurt you know :) So yeah I agree, break B, but if the Setsuka player abuses throws, you'll eventually want to duck.
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Unacceptable! imo, only duck when DocVizzo is getting predictable with his lows. Ducking only leads to eating B+K. =( Well, unless you can read his throws. You guys do play quite often.

You're stepping the wrong way in those videos. >_< I hope you adjusted in these more recent matches. Step to your left, Setsuka's right! Make him afraid you'll step all his linear nonsense. Step like you did at 1m31s on (http://www.youtube.com/user/Furzy#p/a/u/1/sXdprlBvzXM). Force him to go for crappy 66A or risky bAs that you can punish with 4K{B}.

Try to punish 4A like you did at 31s in this video (http://www.youtube.com/user/Furzy#p/a/u/1/sXdprlBvzXM) more often.

6B is better than 66K if you expect 4A. Try it out. There is no trading. Consider CH 6B as an opportunity to mix up a throw or a mid (33B). Don't risk things like 3B or iFC 3K.

214A is effective if the Setsuka opponent gets into a pattern and you expect something like 1B:B pressure. It's not something I would spam, but something to keep in mind when the Setsuka player gets more aggressive. DocVIzzo seems to play it safe with his 6K and 4A spam, though. 214A TCing avoiding bA and TCing under 4A is a bonus, and not something I really advise doing. =)

DocVizzo seems immune to any wake-up gimmicks you might be trying. If he wants to hang on the ground, why not go for 9B+KK, 2Ks, and 3Bs (with caution, of course)? Vizzo is a sleeper. Teach him that he can't roll around like a worm and get off damage free. =)
 
Hype on the yoshi forum ^^ me like

Try to punish 4A like you did at 31s in this video (http://www.youtube.com/user/Furzy#p/a/u/1/sXdprlBvzXM) more often.
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Yeah, that's probably the best answer to 4A, but you have to react pretty fast, it's hard
6B is better than 66K if you expect 4A. Try it out. There is no trading. Consider CH 6B as an opportunity to mix up a throw or a mid (33B). Don't risk things like 3B or iFC 3K.
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I do try it out. a lot :) Usually after I block Setsu's BB cause he always does 4A afterwards. Yeah it's pretty good but sometimes I like the KD more than the mix-up situation.
DocVizzo seems immune to any wake-up gimmicks you might be trying. If he wants to hang on the ground, why not go for 9B+KK, 2Ks, and 3Bs (with caution, of course)? Vizzo is a sleeper. Teach him that he can't roll around like a worm and get off damage free. =)
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9B+KK works from time to time, but it's see-able on reaction, and after a while he'll just wake up when he sees the animation so no good after a while. I abused 2Ks on the ground in the last vids :)
That's some good advice, thanks Hajime! Hope to play you before SC5 comes out! >_<

@LostProvidence: Daaaamn, you sure about this?? Everybody just keeps telling me I'm stepping on the wrong side, I already changed side several times lol ^^ We tried yesterday evening in training mode with docvizzo, seems like 33B is more easily steppable on Setsuka's left (I prefer to say Counter-clockwise=CCW cause it doesn't depend on what side you play), sometimes I just "teleported" on Setsuka's back. Couldn't do it when I stepped on her right. We weren't able to figure out what side to step her other moves, seems like both sides are good :-/ Soooo my question is, once and for all:
WHAT SIDE SHOULD I STEP THIS B*TCH?? lol Can anybody confirm LostProvidence's advice?
 
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