Impending_Doom66
[09] Warrior
I would say this is one of those iffy situations where it could be considered a lag tactic, but not always. Just depends on how often you do it.
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I would say this is one of those iffy situations where it could be considered a lag tactic, but not always. Just depends on how often you do it.
KingAce
HERMITISM
That's some weird theory talk you posted there.
One it isn't easy to recognize 1K on NH and CH and immediately know you're at disadvantage or at advantage to multiply on the +2. Because of that not even the AI interrupts 1K on NH into WR B.
Second noone should cater to you, you need to recognize you're playing online. 1K WR B isn't something you should be interrupting in the first place, if you understand NM's meta-game.
WR B is -20 on block and steppable.
Maxi's fastest interrupt for 1K WR B is 2A which is i14, it can trade with NM's WR B from CH1K, but Maxi will be at disadvantage.
Ch 1K WR K is i13 and WR K is +4 on NH and CH.
NH 1K 9K will beat out Maxi's 2A and put maxi at -10.
NH 1K B+K, is the real threat because at a certain range if you dare to interrupt with 2A you might miss and end up eating NSS A+B and etc.
And then you're playing online, if you can't recognize things fast enough, you're adding at least -5 frames to your reaction.
You're better off just punishing WR B-20 on block.
Maybe I said too much.
Schneider-X
[11] Champion
KingAce: Now they know exactly what to do against me lol
Anyways another point is that by trying to hit confirm, once you recognize that you had CH the hesitation that you had will make you lose +2 frames due to the lag. So its very difficult if not impossible to hit confirm CH 1K while still keeping the frame advantage.
I'm not trying to justify that 1K NH > WR B isn't a lag tactic. I'm just saying its difficult to hit confirm and still maintain frame advantage so to a degree you have to take a guess that it'll be a CH hit at times and promptly input the next move to take advantage of the +2
Anyways another point is that by trying to hit confirm, once you recognize that you had CH the hesitation that you had will make you lose +2 frames due to the lag. So its very difficult if not impossible to hit confirm CH 1K while still keeping the frame advantage.
I'm not trying to justify that 1K NH > WR B isn't a lag tactic. I'm just saying its difficult to hit confirm and still maintain frame advantage so to a degree you have to take a guess that it'll be a CH hit at times and promptly input the next move to take advantage of the +2
Tyberius
[12] Conqueror
Omg Xeph, don't be stupid. That was obviously his brother in the chat room.
TsunamiBye
[14] Master
Donuts pwn u, neverdie14. They also pwn Xephukai. Lol.
And with that, I wish to challenge Schneider-X.
I is curious and would like to spar against your Nighty.
Beware of Pocky Yoshi. Hehe ^-^"
And with that, I wish to challenge Schneider-X.
I is curious and would like to spar against your Nighty.
Beware of Pocky Yoshi. Hehe ^-^"
babalook
[10] Knight
This is all good and stuff but when your i20 WR B beats someone out its probably cause of lag i think thats the point trying to be made, its the same as when ppl attack off 2A(normal one) on block as a frame trap.
shadowG
[09] Warrior
This seems to be a common theme with xeph it seems. Crying about perfectly legit stuff used online and off.
I want some opinions about a dispute we had. I played him soph vs asta and had him down on health to where 1 hit would kill him and win the match. I do 3 single check Bs in a row and then 2k to kill him after he blocks all the Bs and doesnt move. So he starts complaining thats a lag tactic. Im like GTFO. Especially since he does the UB bear hug with asta after EVERY time he knocks you down. And if you dont get up he does 4 or 22B. No asta player does that many UB offline in any vid Ive seen b/c online you cant react to punish the bear hug fast enuf and offline you can. So what do you guys think am i wrong or is nothing legit online if you lose to it?
Ring
Lay still now
GG Akire and Davo87 today. 5 hit JF on 2 bar connection FTW!
TsunamiBye
[14] Master
I'm a witness of those matches, Shadow. It appears you don't like Yoshis....And Xeph doesn't like Raphs.
But all in all, I guess I was having the most fun? Oh and what you did was stepping, poking, punishment, and spacing.
But all in all, I guess I was having the most fun? Oh and what you did was stepping, poking, punishment, and spacing.
teflon2105
[09] Warrior
Yes it's true that in all offline vids asta players never use A+B bear hug but online every asta uses this and when on wake up it's tough as hell too get away from. This is like Ivy UB A+B where it's hardly ever used offline but online it's godly like asta UB bear hug.
This would fall under the category of online tactics certain moves that aren't used offline are used online and very effective. So Asta UB hug & Ivy A+B UB i'm not sure why their used online this much but never used offline. But they work too greatly online.
Xeph
#TRYHARD
Oh please, I started to UB the shit out of you after seeing the BS you do. Hell, you even do Sophie 2A, blocked lag strings up and down every match- also your 2K NH to whatever is something I'd bring up as well. Basically, I don't play players very legitly if I'm not treated with the same respect. I don't mind losing, I play a lot of great players everyday and lose- and give them props. But when you do 3 single BS, 2k, especially when I should've punished- it's annoying and NOT legit. I don't have to tell Bentleet that, I don't have to tell CD that, I don't have to tell Long Grange that, or I didn't have to tell Woahhzz or BEENEES. Only the ones that do it continually. If you watch these vids with Gemini, you see I don't really do Bear Hug UB unless it's after 2 consecutive 66Ks into a wall, or maybe one out of every 2 matches. I'd also like to point out that you may think the UB is a lag tactic, but I don't see you stepping- all I see you do is duck, so offline you'd eat that shit anyways. You don't attempt to attack or side step- like many players I play do. Hell, you don't even jump, something I do everytime.
anyways;
GGs-
Enkindu, Karl_34, Bentleet, Long_Grange
edit;
In fact, I don't even really do the UB to these players- they don't exactly fall for it. Unless it's my set up (read above)
franman
[13] Hero
*sigh the only way to settle this... OFFLINE!
neverdie14
[08] Mercenary
If my brother lived in my house, or even resided in the same state as I do, that might actually be possible you brainless idiot.
And I highly doubt it was my 4 year old.
Dumbass troll.....I rest my case.
lobo
Luminario
rest it. please. for the love of god.
@ shadow and xeph....look we all play online and we all do stupid shit that doesn't work offline. if we didn't we would just lose over and over to online aggression. just take it for what it is, avoid BS lows and horizontal stepg killing riffraff, and play the game.
@ shadow and xeph....look we all play online and we all do stupid shit that doesn't work offline. if we didn't we would just lose over and over to online aggression. just take it for what it is, avoid BS lows and horizontal stepg killing riffraff, and play the game.
Uber1337
[10] Knight
Its really not that hard to judge if its a CH. You have more than 2 frames to notice that the kick flashed red. The +2 is how much frame advantage you have AFTER the move recovers, there is still a few frames in there after the move hits but before the move recovers. And its even easier from a defensive point of view to recognize the difference between CH and NH, because you will know without even watching if you were trying to attack while you got hit with the 1K. Offline, i don't even go for my i14 2A after NH 1K, i'll just throw my i18 3B and it'll still beat out WR B. I mean, I'm not saying that WR B on NH would never be a good idea offline, but I've played some nightmares that will do this EVERY TIME, as if it were a real frame trap and they get away with it cause its online.
*and really, waiting to punish WR B is not really a better answer. After WR B, Nightmare has an ACTUAL frame trap with NSS K, so you gotta do something fast with TC properties to beat it -- something without much reward like 2A. But really this all gets even worse if the Nightmares starts using the fact that I have to sit there and wait for the WR B after 1K and then he starts throwing as a mix-up.
Dullyanna
[10] Knight
Nonononononono the AI can't deal with it, therefore it's totally legit.
WARUI_NE
Prettier than you
I lose 10 times out of 10 to online aggression, GGs namdai
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SCPartisan
Holy Moly
GGs to TidalLeaf, I actually won once but he JI my UB so I lose automatically.
Fuck the rest of XBL. Seriously...
Fuck the rest of XBL. Seriously...
shadowG
[09] Warrior
yea this.
Xeph your full of shit. til now ive never really complained about online bs even astas UB bear hug. I just play and deal with it and try to have fun. You on the other hand soon ive noticed as soon as you lose a couple to someone you think you should be better than i.e. me your quick to vamoose and blame lag or lag tacts. Even though you win the vast majority of the times we've played which hasn't been that much. just about everything mitsu does is bs online and off but online its boosted to god tier proportions. But if i ever do get to play you offline I will ace you in a friendly ft10 while at the same time showing you why a lot of your shit only works online.
ggs to zero, uberl337, enk, SU, long grange, baskets, kingace, and theperfectbeing and whoever else i played recently.
BelovedChild
[09] Warrior
I guess no one shit talks my Raphael for "fencing LAG" because I don't win constantly. o_O, Why can't someone talk shit about me o_O? What do I have to do to stir up the drama?
From here on out, point blank range, Raph's 2A+B coming OUT baby. AND prep K
From here on out, point blank range, Raph's 2A+B coming OUT baby. AND prep K
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