Asta Match-up List

ChaosK said:
Ah i think against asta its pretty useful. Its one of those MU's where it actually makes sense for your opponent to whiff at that range.
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Interesting. The only time I knew it would punish where other moves would not is after blocking Asta's 1AA. And I jump the second hit of that usually. Are there any moves where it can block punish at long range? Or only on whiff punish?
 
In my limited experience I say:

Aeon :4:6
Algol : 4:6
Alpha : 3:7
Cervantes : 3:7
Dampierre : ?
Ezio : 6:4
Hilde : 5:5
Ivy : 5:5
Leixia : 6:4
Maxi : 4:6
Mitsurugi : 3:7
Natsu : 4:6
Nightmare : 6:4
Patroklos : 4:6
Pyrrha : 5:5
Omega : 3:7
Raphael : 7:3
Siegfried : 5:5
Tira : 4:6
Viola : 5:5
Voldo : 5:5
Xiba : 6:4
Yoshimitsu : 5:5
Zwei : 6:4


Being Cervantes, on the paper, the worst of all.
A great cervantes can literally rape all of your options, and punish from every range even your safest options (Ce x2).
His movement is insane, his damage output is better than Asta's (similar in throws, better on normal hit situations). Not to mention Auto GI's and aB/pesky low, making for Asta nearly impossible to move when close.
I never met a Cervantes capable of raping me, but judging from the options, I find the matchup horribile for the green incarnation of tenderness
 
MKHSpartan said:
Interesting. The only time I knew it would punish where other moves would not is after blocking Asta's 1AA. And I jump the second hit of that usually. Are there any moves where it can block punish at long range? Or only on whiff punish?
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I'm pretty certain if you JG Asta A+B you could get a free CE. As a matter of fact I wouldn't be surprised if you could CE most/all of his ranged options with JG into CE. Although that's easier said then done. His better ranged moves are delayable or cancel-able.

@DarkSlayer: Nobody said he was low tier. Some people see him as lower mid, and others see him mid-upper mid. My opinion is that he has a good balance between even match-ups, and match-ups in his favor. Then there are the few characters that do manage to give him problems. That is a recipe for mid-upper mid.

On a match-up note. I'm curious as to why people are rating the Aeon-Asta match-up as 4:6. I can't really think of a tool Aeon has that puts Asta's whole game on notice. Both characters base themselves around ring presence in order to shine amongst the crowd, so it comes down to a match of "first person to screw up loses half a life bar/dies." I can see that Aeon has better tools close range like 1B BE, 6B BE to punish and a quick AA. At mid range they have the same amount of control. Aeon has his infamous 66A, 3B among other tools, but Asta has 44A, 44B/44B G, 4A, 6B, 22_88B BE etc. At long range I'm actually not sure if Aeon even has tools. Asta has A+B, 11B and 1AA.

If anyone has anything to add that's specific to the match-up, I'd be happy to hear you out. At the moment I can't see the match-up being more or less than 5:5.
 
Well i would like to add a few thoughts and first im going to start with cervantes....

Personally maybe its just me but i dont get why im seeing alot of 3:7's. I don't feel cervantes just outright destroys him, I think of it as cervantes simply has the tools to keep up with astaroth in the guessing game. He still has to be on the lookout for a revenge bullrush, his throw game and also 22_88 B BE should astaroth ever step a vertical. I think it's one of the more fair 5:5 matchups in the game and it comes down to who guesses right. If not 5:5 then Im ok with a 4:6 but 3:7 to me is just too much imo especially in a game that really doesn't have alot of 3:7 matchups in the first place.

Finally about zwei, this may surprise some people but i also think its one of the fair and better 5:5 matchups in the game. Zwei still has to respect astaroth's throw and mid game but then again asta can't punish him well meaning zwei can be a bit more aggressive freely. 22_88 B and the BE version is a bit risky on standing guard as if he JG it you'll be eating a free 66A+B from him which is already alot of damage on NH. If zwei guesses right on your mids with 6A+B GI again it'll probably make it harder for you to apply your mids more and a duck throw will result in a WR B BT B+K BT A+B for good damage. If he makes good guesses surprisingly he can keep up with astaroth's damage and same for guard burst damage.

Again that matchup to me it all comes down to who guesses right the most. I really like jargens matchup list tho haha, The big man in this game can really hold his own even in his disadvantaged matchups. But i gotta get going now might comment on a few more matchups later
 
To add more inputs, Itazan said that in his opinion the worst match-ups of Astaroth are 1) Natsu, then Alpha and Mitsurugi. He said then Omega in 4th position. We may have lost some details in translation tho.

He added that, for him, Astaroth is strong and he can beat every characters even if some match-up are very hard, due to awesome damage and fear.
 
There is no way Asta vs Cervy is 3:7. Cervantes has no TC Move at all and therefore is very vulnerable to throws, that is all needed for Asta to get Damage in. I play both Cervy and Alpha and with Alpha its so much easier, its essentially the same like Setsuka vs Asta...i guess everybody knows how this matchup worked out.

Against Cervantes you are not allowed to move at all when close, this is the same for every character. That is the one basic rule on how to fight him if you ask me. As sad as it is but when close to cervantes you better play 2D Calibur or its a free win.

Cervantes can put incredible amounts of pressure with blockstuns (bK, 1B+K Cancel, 8A etc) but once Cervy gets too poke heavy you still have Bullrush BE for over 9000 Damage to counter this. Also i think Asta is one of the few chars who can punish aB slide from basically any range with 66B.

4:6 maximum if you ask me.
 
Saitoh said:
Here's my match-up list for Astaroth :

Yoshimitsu : 4-6
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A little late to this, but I would say that this matchup is 5:5 for Yoshi, if not in Asta's advantage. It may not seem like it since Yoshi has millions of great TCs and pressure. The key in the matchup is Asta's range. Even if his range pressure might not be as good as the ranged elite in this game, it is still easily good enough to prevent Yoshi from getting in and running his game plan. It's probably 5:5 for the simple fact it's just a game of if Yoshi can get in or not. Once he is in, the matchup drastically shifts in his favor, but the act of actually getting in will cause Yoshi to make a lot of risky decisions. On top of that, if he ducks a throw, he doesn't really have a good damage option with his terrible WR and BE game. He can RCC 3B into gimmicks (which is generally 50/50 and rarely gets more damage than his guaranteed against good players) or go into guaranteed which is shit for damage. Otherwise he could CE, but the risk involved with it if Asta recovers in time is not good at all.
 
Age_of_Truth said:
Your post was funny but punishing Asta throws juts means ducking and punishing, you can use WR B or 6B BE, or even WR B+K to take the piss if you like. Each only does about 8500 damage though :(
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Still not 3:7 imo :) Alpha should be the worst Matchup, definetly not on a level with Cervantes.
 
docvizzo said:
Still not 3:7 imo :) Alpha should be the worst Matchup, definetly not on a level with Cervantes.
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Sure I won't say anything about the matchup. Amount of damage after a ducked throw is obviously a huge factor for any Asta matchup. But as for the numbers I'll leave it to the pros.

Edit: I still think focus on TC is pointless though.
 
OK guys, i wanted to share my match up list since 2 weeks but waited till Cannes is over to get a better and hopefully more "accurate" list.

Here it goes, still not sure about some characters though:

Asta VS Aeon :?
Asta VS Algol : 4:6(maybe even 3:7)
Asta VS Alpha : 4:6
Asta VS Cervantes : 5:5(not sure)
Asta VS Dampierre : don´t care
Asta VS Ezio : don´t care
Asta VS Hilde : 5:5
Asta VS Ivy : 5:5
Asta VS Leixia : 6:4
Asta VS Maxi : 5:5
Asta VS Mitsurugi : 3:7(worst match up imo)
Asta VS Natsu : 4:6
Asta VS Nightmare : 6:4
Asta VS Patroklos : 4:6
Asta VS Pyrrha : 6:4 (not sure)
Asta VS Omega : 5:5(pretty even)
Asta VS Raphael : 7:3
Asta VS Siegfried : 5:5(not sure)
Asta VS Tira : still don´t know
Asta VS Viola : not important
Asta VS Voldo : 6:4
Asta VS Xiba : 5:5
Asta VS Yoshimitsu : 5:5
Asta VS Zwei : 6:4
 
JAGTHEGEMINI said:
Asta VS Cervantes : 5:5(not sure)
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Jag knows whats up, one only has to play like Jag to get a 5:5, i think its 6:4 Cervantes. TC Game is a important factor imo, just look at how Pyrrhas 22K etc forces Asta to play completely different.

I think if one plays jags style this matchup is doable, but sure its hard since its Cervantes^^
 
docvizzo said:
I read some kind of latent saltiness out of your posts, what happened? :)
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Saltiness? Cannes was amazing fun.

I don't think TC matters because it's no different to the usual anti-Asta mixup: duck or not? Crouch grab and bullrush catch TC anyway so it doesn't make any difference. And Pyrrha 22K will get caught by crouchgrab anyway, so really this move is easier for Asta to deal with than many other characters, he doesn't need to change his game.
 
The only things which influence heavily the Asta matchup are damage output and great frames pokes.

If you can do big damage and lock him up close with moves safe against 66KBE you are OK.

TC are definetly an issue, since the attacker abusing TC can heavily punish throw retaliation. Just look at Alpha...

Cerv 5-5 not in my world, don't forget AutoGIs, CE punishing everything Asta does and INSANE damage output. Cerv 3B is 99% safe against Asta, also a stepped bullruh= 100 damage. JG on any move= 100 damage. To beat Cerv you have to outsmart him, and that's where tier list loses any meaning.
 
SatanaXXX said:
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I just read that your fellow italian collegue beat Kira in Casuals 11:1, might be good to get his opinion too.

I agree A+B Auto GI is very helpful to shut down 44A. 3KA versions etc. Due to Range Cervy even gets the rare far hit into CE combo....

For me its advantage Cervy, but not like Alpha.
 
A lot of frenchies cant play against Astaroth atm. After my retirement, almost nobody was playing the golem anymore in France. I was incredibly surprised at how bad they handled the match-up against excellent Astaroths like JAG, Itazan, SatanaXXX and Asodimazze.

That might explain the poor result of Kira =)
 
I was always under the impression that Asta was a bad MU for Ivy. I don't think it's 5:5.
 
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