The One True SCV Tier List/Character Discussion Thread

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S+: Viola
S: Alpha, Pyrrha, Algol, Natsu, Cervantes, Omega, Mitsu
A: Tira, Pat, Voldo, Hilde
A-: Maxi, Ezio, Aeon
B: NM, Asta, Yoshi, Siegfried, Ivy, Xiba, Leixia
B-: Raph
F: Zwhy

Wow, this turned out a lot more segmented than I thought it would. SC5 is extremely well balanced, but you might not think that looking at this list, lol. You can think of A- and B- tiers as being just slightly worse than the A and B tiers. No clue where to put Dampierre, so I didn't bother including him.

EDIT: Made some changes not even a week after I posted this, lol. I moved NM down a tier, since after using him more I've realized that he simply has too many match-ups that are just not in his favor, or are just totally messed up (vs Natsu for example). Even though he has good tools and can definitely win even his bad MUs, it seems like he's at a disadvantage in a large part of his MUs which prevents me from saying he's in the same tier as Maxi or Ezio.

I also moved Aeon up a tier. It wasn't until recently that I realized how strong some of his tools were, and how easily Aeon can just control matches with them. Between 663A, 4B+K, 1B BE, throws, and a couple of other moves, Aeon can really mess you up. 4B+K alone is extremely good, to the point where I'm really confused why I haven't heard much about this move until recently.

I am considering moving Voldo down a tier, but for now I think i'll just leave him in A.
 
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This is what I feel to be the placement of all the characters. Tiers in no particular order.

S: Alpha Pat, Viola, Pyrrha, Cervantes, Mitsu, Pat
A: Natsu, Yoshi, Ivy, Tira, Leixia, Pyrrha Omega
B: Maxi, Voldo, Hilde, Asta, Nightmare, Xiba
C: Siegfried, Ezio, Aeon, Raph, Algol
D: ZWEI
 
SS: Viola
S: Alpha,Pyrrha,Cervantes
A: Pat,Omega,Algol,Natsu,Mitsu
B: Ivy,Tira,Yoshi,Aeon,Voldo
C: Astaroth,Nightmare,Siegfried,Hilde
D: Maxi,Xiba,Ezio,Leixia,Raph,Z.W.E.I,Dampierre
 
Au pif :

S : Viola

A : Alpha, Algol, Cervantes, Mitsurugi

B : Omega, Patroklos, Natsu

C : Hilde, Yoshimitsu, Voldo, Pyrrah, Tira

D : Ivy, Astaroth, Nightmare, Xiba, Leixia, Maxi

E : Siegfried, Ezio, Dampierre,

Werewolf against Vampire : Z.W.E.I, Raphael

Order does count.
 
In no order :

SS : Viola
S : Algol, Alpha, Cervantes, Mitsurugi
A : Patroklos, Pyrrha, OmegaPyrrha, Natsu
B : Voldo, Yoshi, Tira
C : Aeon, Hilde, Astaroth, Maxi, Nightmare
C- : Ivy, Leixia, Siegfried, Xiba, Dampierre
D : ZWEI, Raphael
 
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Here's mine for the sake of contributing.

S: Viola
A: Alpha*, Pyrrha, Algol, Mitsu, Natsu,
B: Cervantes*, Patroklos, Tira, Hilde, Omega, Yoshi, Maxi, Voldo, Nightmare*
C: Ivy, Ezio, Xiba, Leixia*, Astaroth*, Aeon, Siegfried, Raphael
D: Zwei*

Not listed: Dampierre*

Alpha* = Could be placed into S Tier. Struggles a little with spacing and midrange movement.

Cervantes* = Could be placed into A tier. I personally think his universally risky step-kills and lack of a reliable low punish put him slightly outside of the rest in that category.

Leixia* = Damage is really the main thing keeping her out of B Tier.

Astaroth* = Not sure where he should've been listed. This character is largely based on conditioning/guessing with a weak punish game. But, damage and guard break give him one of the best comeback abilities in the game.

Zwei* = Could have placed him in C Tier, since I feel like he's not much worse than, say, Xiba. But I'd say Zwei's speed, and therefore, lack of a decent punish game make things harder for him when coupled with having a very situational offense.

Dampierre* = No idea about this character's matchup issues at the moment
 
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ZeroEffect317 said:
Here's mine for the sake of contributing.

S: Viola
A: Alpha*, Pyrrha, Algol, Mitsu, Natsu,
B: Cervantes*, Patroklos, Tira, Hilde, Omega, Yoshi, Maxi, Voldo, Nightmare*
C: Ezio, Xiba, Leixia*, Astaroth*, Aeon, Siegfried, Raphael
D: Zwei*

Not listed: Dampierre*

Alpha* = Could be placed into S Tier. Struggles a little with spacing and midrange movement.

Cervantes* = Could be placed into A tier. I personally think his universally risky step-kills and lack of a reliable low punish put him slightly outside of the rest in that category.

Leixia* = Damage is really the main thing keeping her out of B Tier.

Astaroth* = Not sure where he should've been listed. This character is largely based on conditioning/guessing with a weak punish game. But, damage and guard break give him one of the best comeback abilities in the game.

Zwei* = Could have placed him in C Tier, since I feel like he's not much worse than, say, Xiba. But I'd say Zwei's speed, and therefore, lack of a decent punish game make things harder for him when coupled with having a very situational offense.

Dampierre* = No idea about this character's matchup issues at the moment
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You forgot Ivy...shame on you! xD
 
SCV looks like a very balanced fighting game to me, so the difference between each tier is really thin; there are not impossible matchup (7-3 at worst) and every character can do really well imho.
The order in which I've placed the characters doesn't count.

S: Alpha, Cervantes, Mitsurugi
A: Patroklos, Algol, Pyrrha, Natsu, Omega, Yoshimitsu
B: Tira, Astaroth, Nightmare, Voldo, Hilde, Maxi, Siegfried, Ivy, Leixia, Xiba
C: Raphael, ZWEI, Ezio, Aeon

* I feel I'm really ignorant about Viola and Dampierre, so I prefer to not place them.
 
α Patroklos: A+
Aeon: A
Algol: A
Astaroth: A
Cervantes: A+
Dampierre: His randomness makes it impossible for me to say, if he weren't he'd be A.
Devil Jin: A+
Ezio Auditore: A
Hilde: A -
Ivy: A-
Leixia: A
Maxi: A
Mitsurugi: A
Natsu: A
Nightmare: A
Patroklos: A
Pyrrha: A
Pyrrha Ω: A
Raphael: A-
Siegfried: A
Tira: A
Viola: S
Voldo: A
Xiba: A-
Yoshimitsu: A
Z.W.E.I.: A-

The way it played out in my mind was that: Viola is fuckin' bananas; aPat and Cervantes are above average at almost everything, and DJ is pretty good; the A ranks are the most diverse, with them being either well-rounded, exceling at certain aspects of their games, but *possibly* having weakpoints in their game; the A- group is full of characters who have a bit of a situational gameplan (Ivy with her CHs, Raph with his poke game, Xiba with his jank, Hilde with whiff punishing/frametraps, and ZWEI with momentum).

I think that many of the A- are probably A rank too, but I do not believe I have seen, ignoring non-North Amercan competition, there have been players to display that those characters do not have a linear mode of play outside of possibly Linkrkc (who was the one who broke down Ivy in such a way to me) and BrokenKnight (who I have never seen play offline).

Regardless, I think that, within the tiers, the characters are relatively the same (in terms of strength of those characters) and thus have no reason to put them in order.
 
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Jimbo's original tier list is the only true tier list.

Still as SCP asked so nicely, here's my carefully considered and definitely not mashed together with tape and elastic bands tierlist - complete with added bonus of very insightful reasoning:

Godmode: Algol, Viola.
Reason: 1-hit kills

Batmantier: α Patroklos, Cervantes
α is replete with abusable 2-hit kills. Cervantes's basic game is enormously rewarding.

Top: Mitsu, Pyrrha, Pat
Super-solid characters with little risk and great damage punishment. Pat is less good at range but has super-strong reward for many attacks, including many 1-hit kills with long range CE ring out.

Upper: Ivy, Yoshi*, Natsu, Tira, Hilde*, Astaroth.
Some imbalance of certain key attacks makes these characters a little stronger than the others.

Balanced characters imo:
Maxi, Leixia, Siegfried, Nightmare, Voldo, Aeon, ZWEI*, Ezio, Pyrrha Ω, Xiba

Need help: Raph, Dampierre*
Raph could do with just one more poke I think, like a toned-down Cervy 1AB without the CH damage. Imagine if he had A, B in reverse (low first). Something like that.

* I included all characters to the best of my knowledge and judgement, but I don't have an especially good understanding of how players effectively use those characters marked with an asterisk.

N.B: Above list was not meant to confuse, confound, upset, disrespect, enrage, or invade the personal space of anyone reading this thread, but I hope it does because otherwise it wouldn't be a successful contribution to a tier list discussion.
 
I have some simple questions. Just asking why Algol is so high and how come Omega seems to be just....balanced? I'm just curious and thank you.
 
KineticClash said:
I based this off a character's potential at the highest level, within what's humanly possible. S is basically top tier, and I decided to give it plus and minuses cuz S+ and S- is totally something you'd see on a report card.
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If that's true then you can't put Cervantes anything less that S tier.

Some odd tier lists that kinda show some players haven't had the opportunity to play top players of those characters.
 
Maxou said:
In no order :

SS : Viola
S : Algol, Alpha, Cervantes, Mitsurugi
A : Patroklos, Pyrrha, OmegaPyrrha, Natsu
B : Voldo, Yoshi, Tira
C : Aeon, Hilde, Astaroth, Maxi, Nightmare
C- : Ivy, Leixia, Siegfried, Xiba, Dampierre
D : ZWEI, Raphael
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Mine would be exactly the same except Asta higher.
 
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I made this a while back.
There is stuff I disagree with now, (Mainly Hilde being that low)
Other that that, meh.

Personally I like a tier-list like this more than just saying S/A/B etc.
 
I personally don't think regular Pyrrha is better/superior than Pyrrha O.. One against the other, I can see it maybe slightly in Pyrrha's favor because most of P.O.'s core moves being stabable. Outside of that, Pyrrha Omega deals much more damage with her offensive tools while regular has overall better frames on her utility tools.
 
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