Crash X
[14] Master
I’m not so sure about that since that would have been around the time she became pregnant with Pyrrha or Pyrrha already being born.
Soul Calibur VI: General discussion
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Antonia-Lorena
[10] Knight
So, the starting roster from SCVI has the age of their SCI's incarnation right ? (Minus Talim, Zasalamel and Raphael since they're part of SC2/SC3)
And what is Cassandra's age ? She should be 17 then.
And Hilde ? Tira ? Amy ? Talim ?
Hilde doesn't look at all a 14 years old in SCVI. So she's 18 in this game ? So she is older than Cassandra in this game too ?
I don't understand anything with their age due to the reboot :/
LisaK
[14] Master
SC 1 takes places in 1587, SC VI expanded SE to SC 1 and 1/2 years before SC 2.
Sophitia has 21 during SC 1, Her Soul Chronicle goals to 1585 to 1587.
1591 - 25 (Soulcalibur 2/3/4)
1590 - 24
1589 - 23 (Patroklos born)
1588 - 22 (Pyrrha born)
1587 - 21 (SoulCalibur 1)
1586 - 20
1585 - 19
1584 - 18 (Soul Edge)
Cassandra born in 1570, she has 21y, being 4 years younger than Sophitia. Cassandra story is a prequel, we don't get SC 2 Cassandra when she see Soul Edge fragments in Sophitia's home..
1591 - 21 (Soulcalibur 2/3/4)
1590 - 20
1589 - 19
1588 - 18
1587 - 17
1586 - 16
@Antonia-Lorena They already said Hilde story cover up 2 years before SC 4, if she has 18 in SC 4, so she probably has 16 in SC 6..
1591 - 18 (Soulcalibur 4, Algol awakes and Hilde leaves Wolfkrone and enter in battle against Osthreinsburg)
1590 - 17
1589 - 16 (end of her Soul Chronicle)
1588 - 15 (George von Krone succumbs to the madness)
1587 - 14
1586 - 13
1585 - 12
1584 - 11 (Chapter 1/2 from her Soul Chronicle)
1583 - 10 (Chapter 1/2 from her Soul Chronicle)
Sophitia has 21 during SC 1, Her Soul Chronicle goals to 1585 to 1587.
1591 - 25 (Soulcalibur 2/3/4)
1590 - 24
1589 - 23 (Patroklos born)
1588 - 22 (Pyrrha born)
1587 - 21 (SoulCalibur 1)
1586 - 20
1585 - 19
1584 - 18 (Soul Edge)
Cassandra born in 1570, she has 21y, being 4 years younger than Sophitia. Cassandra story is a prequel, we don't get SC 2 Cassandra when she see Soul Edge fragments in Sophitia's home..
1591 - 21 (Soulcalibur 2/3/4)
1590 - 20
1589 - 19
1588 - 18
1587 - 17
1586 - 16
@Antonia-Lorena They already said Hilde story cover up 2 years before SC 4, if she has 18 in SC 4, so she probably has 16 in SC 6..
1591 - 18 (Soulcalibur 4, Algol awakes and Hilde leaves Wolfkrone and enter in battle against Osthreinsburg)
1590 - 17
1589 - 16 (end of her Soul Chronicle)
1588 - 15 (George von Krone succumbs to the madness)
1587 - 14
1586 - 13
1585 - 12
1584 - 11 (Chapter 1/2 from her Soul Chronicle)
1583 - 10 (Chapter 1/2 from her Soul Chronicle)
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LisaK
[14] Master
Ukkesh
[13] Hero
Honestly, with all this age nonsense that I'm not smart enough to understand, my head canon is just that everyone is dragged from different points in time. Maybe in their prime or something? Kind of like an anti-time chamber or something.
I mean tira is clearly her older-self at the end of her soul chronicle. As are talim and Amy.
Sophie is probably about 25, with cass at 21, because i refuse to believe that cass is the same age as tira and only two years older than talim. Plus the idea that hilde and X are the same age (16) scares me.
I kind of want sieg to be his younger self as tgat just makes nightmare more hilarious. Its also my headcanon that noghtmare is just a kid trying to be cool. In a way it makes him more disturbing.
Then again we could go with the (frankly boring) argument that is also tge reason why tge in game heights are so inconsistent. It's a game. But thats boring and i prefer my time chamber argument.
I mean tira is clearly her older-self at the end of her soul chronicle. As are talim and Amy.
Sophie is probably about 25, with cass at 21, because i refuse to believe that cass is the same age as tira and only two years older than talim. Plus the idea that hilde and X are the same age (16) scares me.
I kind of want sieg to be his younger self as tgat just makes nightmare more hilarious. Its also my headcanon that noghtmare is just a kid trying to be cool. In a way it makes him more disturbing.
Then again we could go with the (frankly boring) argument that is also tge reason why tge in game heights are so inconsistent. It's a game. But thats boring and i prefer my time chamber argument.
werewolfgold
[12] Conqueror
Those years aren't quite correct. Soul Edge happened in 1583. Then SC is 1596 and SC2-4 is 1590.SC 1 takes places in 1587, SC VI expanded SE to SC 1 and 1/2 years before SC 2.
Sophitia has 21 during SC 1, Her Soul Chronicle goals to 1585 to 1587.
1591 - 25 (Soulcalibur 2/3/4)
1590 - 24
1589 - 23 (Patroklos born)
1588 - 22 (Pyrrha born)
1587 - 21 (SoulCalibur 1)
1586 - 20
1585 - 19
1584 - 18 (Soul Edge)
You can also see this in the story chronicle timeline.
LisaK
[14] Master
1583: 18 (Soul Edge)
1584: 19
1585: 20
1586: 21 (Soul Calibur)
1587: 22
1588: 23
1589: 24
1590: 25 (Soul Calibur 2)
werewolfgold
[12] Conqueror
That's not quite right either. lol1583: 18 (Soul Edge)
1584: 19
1585: 20
1586: 21 (Soul Calibur)
1587: 22
1588: 23
1589: 24
1590: 25 (Soul Calibur 2)
If Pyrrha is 20 in 1607, that means she was born in 1587. Pat has to be moved up a year, too.
All these years are screwed up, guys. We need to fix this. lol
JohnMcKee
[14] Master
It is common knowledge that the date from the game mode in SCV is wrong. Everything was fine until then.
LisaK
[14] Master
LisaK
[14] Master
werewolfgold
[12] Conqueror
That's the thing. I don't think it is wrong. I can't find any (non-wiki) source that says that SE happened in 1584. Any official source says 1583, including SC6. From there, the math would indicate that 1607 is right. 1583+3+4+17=1607.
Where did this "common knowledge" come from? lol
werewolfgold
[12] Conqueror
BRB, infiltrating any and all wikis to fix misinformation. lol
JohnMcKee
[14] Master
From anyone basing their knowledge on anything but SCV?
That's not gonna end up well...
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werewolfgold
[12] Conqueror
Nah, I got this. Trust me. I can fix the entirety of the internet. IT HAS BEGUN. lol
To be serious for a second, I did my due diligence. I did a deep dive. Let me tell you what I found.
There are literally no official sources, in-game, artbook, etc., that I can find that would indicate that Soul Edge occurred in 1584, SC in 1587, etc. Not in English nor in Japanese.
Now, I can specifically cite from the Soul Edge Japanese website, that Mitsurugi's second Edge Master scenario, where he visits the pirates of Noshima Castle (incorrectly translated as Notō Castle in the English game) is happening in September 1583. That has been there for everyone to see for...all of the years up until now, I would think. Obviously before SCV was even a thing.
バンダイナムコエンターテインメント公式サイト
バンダイナムコエンターテインメントの公式サイトです。スマートフォン向けゲームアプリや家庭用ゲーム、ライブ、イベントなど、多彩なエンターテインメントをお届けしています。
In addition, the only source material for anyone's birth year that I can find is Mitsurugi's, again from the Japanese Soul Edge website, Hilde, where the New Legends artbook says that she's 11 in 1583, making her birth year 1572, and perhaps Ivy's, where it states in the artbook that Cervantes impregnated her mom in 1558. From there, if her birthday is really in December (probably just the day she was found on the doorstep), given how human gestation works, that pretty much means that she was born in 1558. These wikis say 1559. The only way that would make sense is if her birth mom kept her several months before giving her up. But, we don't know that. We don't really know any of it.
The bottom line is the games/official sources only list characters' ages, and 98% of the birth years on any of these wikis were made up probably from math. Birth years aren't even mentioned in SCV otherwise. Everyone can go search for this info themselves to confirm.
I can only conclude that the original sin was that perhaps someone, years and years ago, saw Mitsurugi's birthday somewhere, 6/8/1562, also saw that the game took place in 1583, and then saw that the game lists him as 22, and made the assumption that the devs don't know how to math. But, that person did not know about Japanese classical age reckoning, which technically made him 21, and that everything was above board. This goes very well with how in Mitsu's site profile, they use classical Japanese height (shaku/sun) and weight (kanme) measurements as well.
バンダイナムコエンターテインメント公式サイト
バンダイナムコエンターテインメントの公式サイトです。スマートフォン向けゲームアプリや家庭用ゲーム、ライブ、イベントなど、多彩なエンターテインメントをお届けしています。
The "fix" was to accept that maybe SE happened a year later than they said. But that was wrong to do. The actual confirmation on that doesn't exist. It was just a phantom assumption that has snowballed for literally years.
Outside of Soul Edge, Soulcalibur V, and Soulcalibur VI, anything regarding the timeline was only spoken about in non-specific terms. "The 1550s", "For over 20 years", "The end of the 16th century", "3 years later", etc.
My guess is that, given that SCV was supposed to be super story driven before it got taken out in the back and shot, SCV was the first time that they laid out everything in detail. They included all the stuff that had been mentioned in the previous games and artbooks, but spelled out the concrete years, hence that above timeline page. And all that compiled info can also be found in SCVI's museum. The museum is just all the stuff that's been in the artbooks and such. It's the same stuff. And the years involved in everything are the same. And SCVI's story modes are literally staring you in the face, telling you when the Evil Seed happened (1583), and when Inferno got got (1586).
So, that's the TED Talk. If anyone has sources that fly in the face of any of this, then let me know. Otherwise, so begins the crusade. lol
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JohnMcKee
[14] Master
Age reckoning was rendered obsolete in 1902. Why would a game company still use it more than 90 years later?
werewolfgold
[12] Conqueror
Historical accuracy, I guess. The idea of that really only applies to where Mitsurugi's birthdate was listed in that alternate telling of Japanese history. Other than that, they never really went into the years for anything until SCV.
I'll also say that even today, Japan still uses the classical age when announcing obituaries and such. For example, when Unshō Ishizuka (Heihachi, Mr. Satan, Joseph Joestar) died last year, some outlets reported him to be 68, but he was technically 67.
Voice Actor Unshō Ishizuka Passes Away at 67
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And South Korea apparently still uses it all the time. Much to the confusion of everyone. lol
DanteSC3
[14] Master
I would’ve done this a while back to delete the “new timeline” nonsense until it’s actually concretely a thing for sure, because all it’s done is create discontinuity in pages for characters who aren’t in SoulCalibur VI for some and for others (Dürer), the new information was just assimilated into their old page, so it’s not even consistent. I guess I lack the will to do it when it would likely just get reversed anyway because I’m “causing a fuss” but I would argue the spread of misinformation defeats the purpose of wikis, but it’s whatever. I commend your efforts if you go through with it.