Babalook:
Setsuka is beast but something about that list looks a little suspect to me as well but i'm giving Maxou the benefit of the doubt. I could fill in Setsuka vs. Algol for him but I don't know about her vs. Yoda or Vader either.
Setsuka vs. Algol should be a 5/5 or disadvantage because I don't see her getting in and maintaning getting on the inside for the most part. She doesn't have the tools to fiddle with the range game in this matchup and Algol doesn't present himself with step oppurtunity's outside of Hilde for the most part.
Setsuka vs. Sophitia should be a 5/5 and not a 6/4.
Setsuka vs. Kilik should be a 5/5 and not a 6/4.
Setsuka vs. Astaroth should be a 5/5 but I won't argue against a 6/4 because its possible.
Setsuka vs. Amy I could believe as Amy is severely weak to Step G on all of her most important moves so she needs them. Setsuka's step applications come out much faster than Kilik's and covers both recovering ducking opponents and standing. Her 3BA can be punished from umbrella and Setsuka's pokes are better than Amy's plus she can utilize the range game similiar to Kilik and has much better throws than Amy.
Anything else I can't argue because it sounds plausible and I don't know all the minor details in those matchups.
Ceirnian:
Would u mind cleaning up the Hlde list a little bit because its possible their are minor errors. For example I think she has another 7/3 or she could have one thats a 6/4 instead.
It's because she gets one dimensional that hilde players lose.
To be precious, players at the top have a disadvantage especially if they use powerful characters...and that disadvantage is that they win with a strategy, and as long as it works there is no real reason to change it. So while everyone below them figures ways to counter that strategy; their development or adaptation to new strategies is static--so they become one dimensional until they're defeated. (the more you win the harder it is to adapt)
But then it becomes complicated, because they now how have to figure out a new way to play their character. The complications arise especially for high level characters, because of the numerous amounts of tools at the players disaposible...you could learn to use them all...but it will take you way longer to master your character than someone using a low tier character.
The thing with hilde, is that there is no concrete strategy to defeat her...none. You have to defeat the player instead. Although this is probably true for most match-ups, it's especially true against hilde.
She is top because before the match even begins she controls the entire flow of the game. That can't be said about any character.
This is by far the worst thing I have ever heard from a competitor in any fighting game. There is wrong written all over this post and u can just sense that 1. You don't understand Hilde 2. You just gave up 3. You simply don't have what it takes to compete.
That's what the post sounds like. What happened to the player who was involved in helping learn how to fight against Astaroth so long ago.
Quote: "
Their is no concrete way to defeat Hilde" This has to be the worst thing in your post. What happened to things such as positioning, patience, excellent blocking, using moves that track negating her step (outside of some retarded hitbox issues that just happen in general in this game).
Or how about
discretion. An example of this was me vs. Ceirnian in the tournament on the Seesaw stage with the two gates that break. I used iFotD on him but realized that I did not want the gate to break because he was at the angle to break it if I connected into Asura Dance. Because I didn't want that and I couldn't think fast enough with what to replace it with I dropped the whole combo.
You know what happened, a decision like that saved me the round and alowed me to position myself later on in the matchup. Most peope thought I just simply messed up the combo but very few noticed that I did it on purpose like Thugish who was thinking about it as a possibility when I didn't do it. I'm also convinced that most still don't even know I did it on purpose. Little things like that are what make the difference between a really good player and just a player.
Last but not least since I don't know how to link to one specific post i'm gonna link u here
http://www.8wayrun.com/f30/kilik-matchup-thread-finalized-t4194/ and tell u to go to post #15 which argues against ur whole post and has two vids to prove differences in strats.
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