I am in love with this idea. Bandai Namco should take notes. Better yet, they should hire you to do DLC planning.
Soul Calibur VI: General discussion
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RyujiSakamoto
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Dante can you please use your powers as DLC planner to make Natalie real? Only after we've gotten Li Long, Rock and the other veterans though!
DanteSC3
[14] Master
Rusted Blade
[14] Master
I can't imagine that Li Long has the same chances as Aeon/Lizardman. For that matter, I think Lizzy probably edges out Yun-seong as well. I think Rock, a guest, and Lizardman can probably all be counted on as virtual locks if there is in fact a third season (and I wouldn't be surprised to see them in that order), but that fourth spot...that's where the real question lays: I could easily see Yun-seong; Li Long wouldn't shock me; Algol has an outside shot; Viola isn't super likely, but given the direction of the recent Soul Chronicles (thematically and in terms of plot elements recently set up), combined with her status as a potential sales driver, I wouldn't rule her out. Dampierre or a new original character are the only commonly proposed options that I would say have virtually no real chance.
Incidentally, there are a number of additional ways in which Lizardman could be accommodated even if Rock comes first, in addition to the means you propose (using lesser lizardman's style for their showdown): they could use a beta version of Aeon-Lizardman's style (let's call him Medium Lizardman) if it is well along by that point; they could omit the detail of Lizardman's abduction of Bangoo from the story altogether (not every SCI plot strand needs to be implemented after-all); they could use lesser Lizardman's style initially as you propose, but then patch in Aeon's moveset at a later date; they could have all of the Rock/Lizardman interactions (Bangoo included) take place during Aeon's Soul Chronicle rather than Rock's; they could have the abduction take place during Rock's Soul Chronicle, but have the chase and confrontation resolve during Lizardman's; they could interpret the SCI events such that it never was Aeon that abducted Bangoo but some other random Cult of Cestemus lizard(hench)man. There's really no shortage of ways to get around the issue.
I just have a strong suspicion that Rock will headline the third season if there is one, mostly because he represents a category of character (slow heavies) that are massively underrepresented in this game (especially now that Nightmare and Siegfried have moved further than ever towards the speedy end of things in this entry, leaving really only Astaroth as a true heavy), whereas there are already multiple sword and shield styles. But I do agree that if Rock is not the first character, it is likely to be Aeon. Second spot is virtually certain to be a guest, I think. Third will be Rock or Aeon, whichever was not first. And fourth, as per above. I'd bet dollars to doughnuts on that rough order. Again, assuming there is a third season--which is no longer as strong a certainty as I would have judged it three months ago, though I still think it is probably more likely than not.
Outside of outlandish joke scenarios, I don't think Season Four could ever happen, but I can't pass up the opportunity presented to speculate about what such a thing would look like in such an ideal world scenario. Were there four seasons, I would hope they would go like this:
Remaining Season 2 characters: Setsuka, Hwang
Season 3 characters: Rock, Guest #4 (fingers crossed for Tifa!), Aeon, Li Long
Season 4 characters: Yun-seong, Guest #5 (Kazuya?), Algol, Viola
Can you imagine? The entire SE through SCIV regular roster, plus Groh and Azwel, and five guests? What a dream line-up. Shit, even if they dropped the vastly superior Viola for lame-ass Dampierre, I'd still be dancing a jig.
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DanteSC3
[14] Master
If they held Yun-seong off for a season 4, LisaK would truly be the saddest sad of all sads. I like Li Long, but I really do feel like Yun-seong is the far safer bet for the fourth character of a season three than Li Long, assuming both Aeon and Rock make it in. If Aeon doesn't, that gives Li Long a way in, but that's the only way I personally see it happening. It may not be 50-50, but Rock first actually poses a maybe for Aeon excluded and Li Long added, like I proposed above. The pecking order would be Yun-seong first, then Rock, then Aeon, then Li Long last, but Aeon presents a unique scenario where he's technically already in the game, and they could leave it like that, or patch it up a bit, or add him as a full character, but it's kind of up in the air. But release order, if Yun-seong, Rock, and Aeon are the three, I firmly would say Aeon first, then the guest, then Rock, then Yun-seong, as a matter of narrative flow. You raise a good point about Rock representing an underrepresented fighting style, but Aeon represents an underrepresented race, so I'd argue he would be just as significant. They might twist the stories around so that Rock could come first, but... I dunno, we'd have to see how it unfolds.
And yes, my season 4 posting was a joke scenario, though personally, if I was given creative control, and I could do whatever I wanted, I would definitely fight to reclaim Ashlotte and Kamikirimusi, not as clones, but with their own unique styles. The main reason I'd push for them is so that Automaton and Darksider have official racial representation on the main roster, though we'd still need Scheherazade to represent the Hidden Village Clan, she could take Natalie's spot in a more-realistic less-pandering-to-Dissidia selection. I would also bring back Chester's dagger and bomb style, bringing it up to speed to SoulCalibur VI, and likely give it to a new character, perhaps one of Dampierre's lackeys. But that still also is one of my dream scenarios for SoulCalibur VII, to get Dampierre, Alphard, Gisele, and Ludovigo as playable characters, all four of them. And we know I don't believe Algol or Viola have any possible chances until SoulCalibur VII, so they're not in the picture for me.
And yes, my season 4 posting was a joke scenario, though personally, if I was given creative control, and I could do whatever I wanted, I would definitely fight to reclaim Ashlotte and Kamikirimusi, not as clones, but with their own unique styles. The main reason I'd push for them is so that Automaton and Darksider have official racial representation on the main roster, though we'd still need Scheherazade to represent the Hidden Village Clan, she could take Natalie's spot in a more-realistic less-pandering-to-Dissidia selection. I would also bring back Chester's dagger and bomb style, bringing it up to speed to SoulCalibur VI, and likely give it to a new character, perhaps one of Dampierre's lackeys. But that still also is one of my dream scenarios for SoulCalibur VII, to get Dampierre, Alphard, Gisele, and Ludovigo as playable characters, all four of them. And we know I don't believe Algol or Viola have any possible chances until SoulCalibur VII, so they're not in the picture for me.
Ukkesh
[13] Hero
I am personally of the mindset of NO CHARACTERS LEFT BEHIND
(except Han Myeong)
(except Han Myeong)
DanteSC3
[14] Master
Azul Hurricane
[10] Knight
If we did get a mimic character.. i'd rather it be this one.
LisaK
[14] Master
I appreciate that you chose me, to be quite honest I already thought about it, participate in the SCWT win and ask for my prize to become a DLC.. Seriously..
I think 'salty' would be more appropriate..
Ukkesh
[13] Hero
Agree. If nothing else I want those damn shoes back. They were so fun to use. Also I find the idea of Sophie having to fight herself being amusing as all hell. Less funny with Cass but still pretty funny.
If we did get a mimic character.. i'd rather it be this one.
"Sister? Why are you wearing that"
"Quiet, anomaly, you must be removed for order to truly be attained"
"Is that me?"
"I am you, but stronger"
Ukkesh
[13] Hero
Lisa prepares to commit war crimes.
Rusted Blade
[14] Master
Unfortunately, given how long it has taken them just get one Korean dao wielder into the game, combined with the priority those characters have been shown in the latter half of the series' history, and the apparent current narrative priorities, I don't think Yun-seong's chances are good when compared against most other options. Up until recently I considered Li Long the most likely contender to get left out if just one SE-SCIII legacy character was to be dropped, but I'm no longer certain of that. But I think we are probably in agreement that its either Li Long or Yun-seong likely to be left out in the cold by the end of season three.
True, but I tend to think that Aeon's half-finished status makes him more likely to be included at some point, rather than less: he represents a certain degree of value in that respect. That may not have been enough to cinch a spot in the first two season passes, but as we get down to relatively few pre-SCV legacy characters, the calculus changes. That and the fact that he's just a very iconic classic character who has appeared in virtually every game in the franchise.
I just don't think leveraging in another race is going to be a priority for that first spot for them, as game developers. These are life long fighting game enthusiasts, and whenever they discuss their design priorities, they unsurprisingly talk first in terms of how the game will play, and what the new characters bring to the table in terms of balance and gameplay variety, not what they will look like. And there already is at least a half measure for getting lizardfolk into the game, from a visual variety standpoint; there's no comparable way to even half-measure an extra heavy into the game, aside from adding a new character. I also think that Aeon is just probably not popular enough to headline a season. I mean, it wouldn't exactly shock me to the core if it happened, but all factors considered, I think Rock probably makes more sense to them, once Setsuka and Hwang are no longer options.
Well, if we're talking about our dream scenarios, obviously I can't dismiss any option, as it's a matter of subjective preference. But to discuss the possibility in real-world terms, I think those characters are so improbable they border on absolutely impossible: as I've discussed in very detailed terms in the past and thus won't belaobour here, the question of the exact relationship of the guests artists to those designs as IP is very unclear from the official indicators that we have (in credits and so forth), and it's possible that Namco owns them outright, but there's got to be enough of an open question there that I don't see Namco's legal and product management departments greenlighting their return when the devs can just as easily create limitless new designs without the need to accrue costs for negotiating those rights--in fact, even reviewing the old contracts would be costly lawyer man-hours that add up in a hurry. It's a shame, because I too would love to see Kamikirimusi return, but given the budget/streamlined approach upon which this game and its continuing support DLC continue to be produced, I just don't see it happening.
If we were to add one of the SCIII quasi-styles to this game, fully fleshed out, my desire would be to see Abelia or Valeria's style. I mean, there's really very little chance of such a thing at this point (and even if there were, a fourth sword and shield style--no way) but man are those two movesets incredibly engaging, as a visual matter. I'm honestly surprised that more of Abelia's moves haven't been incorporated into Sophie, Cassie, and Lizzy's styles over the years.
Ugh, no thank you. I don't want to see even Diashi's cornball atrocity himself in a game as a legacy character, let alone a squad of such nonsense taking up four spots in a roster...
Up until recently, I would have agreed (but, well, you know that, because up until recently we agreed almost point for point on who was likely coming next and when). But after recent developments, I've re-assesed. I think either is an outside possibility for season 3; if there were four seasons, they would absolutely be locks. In any event, as we're talking more about ideal scenarios at the moment, I'd happily embrace Viola at any point in any season--that style is one of the silver linings to SCV's otherwise mixed gameplay.
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LisaK
[14] Master
Angrel-San
[10] Knight
But you have a personal bias against Mina.
Angrel-San
[10] Knight
To be honest, I don't think Aeon is likely.
Maybe in Season 3 but doubtful. We already have a Lizardman style available.
DanteSC3
[14] Master
Season two is already known as Setsuka and Hwang, so of course he would be season three. But no, we don’t have a Lizardman style available. We can make Lizardman race characters, but none of the styles really feel lizardlike in any capacity, save Lesser Lizardman, but that’s incomplete and only usable by the AI. You can’t even hack it into your custom characters anymore. It doesn’t function, and you can’t pick that character to use in any modes.
Soul
Valide Kösem Sultan
I'd rather see Axe & Shield Aeon. Yea having Kratos's style was cool and all, but the A&S was more befitting and fun. They can distance him even more from Sophitia and expand on his crawl stance. He definitely has lots potential.
Crash X
[14] Master
I’d be alright with either one, but more so with Kratos Aeon besides the wings. I do think they could revamp the Sand Winger stance into something else, but also put more emphasis onto his Lizard Crawl. To be quite honest I do think that stance in previous games didn’t really have much to offer. They could also reuse his Brave Edges and Fire breath for his Soul Charge. I just hope they would keep the SCV 66A intact should he make the cut into a possible S3.
Ukkesh
[13] Hero
I like both personally, though I lean more towards double axe. It's the one I'm personally more used to. Plus I think Aeon is more intimidating that way.
RyujiSakamoto
Premium Member
they wouldn't be cruel enough to withhold yun-seong for a season 4 lol.
Besides, my dream of having all three soulcalibur koreans in one game must be a reality! (SC3 doesn't count!)
Besides, my dream of having all three soulcalibur koreans in one game must be a reality! (SC3 doesn't count!)