Anti-Character Discussion

I agree 1B is gold vs the big guys because
1) It's fast as hell at i15, so it shuts down bullrush, and 6K a lot.
2) It spaces them out of throw range
3) It TCs so early, so it's good vs throws
 
Maxi vs. Maxi : Interruption.

Hmm, would u mind if i merge this with the anticharacter thread? I don't think there's a need for a separate topic for it. Also....I don't find it very useful to mention attacks that can be blocked or easily countered with WL when trying to interrupt Maxi's strings. There's also the factor of psl4_psl5 coming in vs some of those counters.

Also you blocked 2A...maxi can do 2A to stop you on block. That applies to almost EVERYTHING blocked. eg 3K, 44K, 33K etc. Opposing Maxi can do 9K...that gets us nowhere, so my advice is to stick to just the loop stuff. Cuz apart from just that, there are too many possibilities.
 
Maxi vs. Maxi : Interruption.

True, 2A doesn't really belong there... I forgot to test against 8A_B_K attacks but I assume it doesn't stop those.


The thing is that this list is mostly aimed against those who just keep attacking non-stop (whether they know what they're doing or not.) So it doesn't matter that much if they can intercept with WL and PSL3 (or evade with PSL4/PSL5) because most of them won't. I think it has little importance.
Besides, if the opponent likes to use WL and PSLs, then the reason for this list is void because you can use a wider choice of interrupts and punishers. You're not being pressured the same way.
Additionally, they might not choose the proper interceptor.

The only reason why I listed PSLs and WL is because it should be expected. If the interruption attempt was caught by that, then it becomes sort of a mix up for next time. Try again, or risk a different interrupt that won't get caught but might not interrupt all possible options if they just choose to attack.


I made this list because I'm sick of losing to crappy players who just win because they keep throwing random attacks and I'm stuck blocking for a long time, in fear of getting interrupted/evaded if I attempt to punish.
I predict that if I learn a good part of this list, I won't lose to button mashers anymore, and good Maxi players will be forced to play less aggressively.
(When I played against Uber1337, he knew how to interrupt my loop strings... It greatly lowered the little offense that I had.)


But no, I don't mind, heh.
Of course there isn't a lot of discussion to be had here, I just thought it might be good to put it in a separate thread because it's a big list and kinda different from the rest, since aggressive Maxi has to be countered in a unique way...
 
thx for the tips on advancing attacks guys.

I have another general question that's not specific to Maxi, but will help me in the matchup:

What are my options after blocking Kilik's 214+B? I dunno the stance name for his 214, but the B attack gives a stupid amount of guardbreak on block--so much that Kilik can get free attacks from it(?) I got hit by this shit alot while playing online the other day and I didn't have an answer for it. I couldn't even GI the follow up attacks, although it maybe a combo of lag and shit timing on my part.
 
Kilik's 214B lays massive amounts of block stun on you. (It's something like +18) Best advice is to just not be there when it comes down.
 
Bronzefist said:
thx for the tips on advancing attacks guys.

I have another general question that's not specific to Maxi, but will help me in the matchup:

What are my options after blocking Kilik's 214+B? I dunno the stance name for his 214, but the B attack gives a stupid amount of guardbreak on block--so much that Kilik can get free attacks from it(?) I got hit by this shit alot while playing online the other day and I didn't have an answer for it. I couldn't even GI the follow up attacks, although it maybe a combo of lag and shit timing on my part.
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You can't do shit. Kilik gets free 3kB if you block it. VS his back parry shit, low block cuz the low is faster it seems, and if u see the slow B coming, GI it from crouch.
 
Do you guys have any advice against Yoda?
So far I saw 3 types of Yoda players.
The most common is the 6B ring out whore. Just keep crouching and you're golden.
Then there's the one who tries to fight normally, but it too scared and tries to turle. 66B+K, destroy that gauge.


Then there's the brand new "Rush Down Yoda".

That's my problem.
I can't decide between pointless pokes or hopeless soul crush attempts.

66B+K is too slow.
3B seems okay... BBB too... But somehow it's not enough. Yoda's gauge stays blue/green forever. And I don't deal enough damage to their health bar.
The last two Yodas that were like that both beat me pretty easily, ...and they didn't even use their throw mixup. I don't see what to do.
 
I actually am wondering about something for maxi vs yoda as well. Maxi 3B on guard it seems like yoda's 6B beats out RO B, and I'm not sure if RO A hits him out of it, or if RO A can even be blocked by Yoda. I know that in LO BK the high hit never works on yoda, so that sucks. Maxi seems kinda lacking in good CF options, unless he can apply ok pressure from 3B vs yoda. I don't have Yoda on my console or I'd test myself. He can use 33K but that has kinda lame CF ability and it's super weak.
 
no need to CF Yoda, Yoda sucks. He's really slow, so i'm not sure about this rushdown you speak of.

All i do is whore 1B, 33K and 4B and LI B stuff. Block around 14 1Bs = cf, Block around 12 LI Bs = cf. he'll be dead before you know it. I think maxi's 2KK is unblockable vs yoda.
 
Have you seen how Oofmatic plays Yoda...? That's exactly what I mean. More and more people are playing Yoda like he does. Constant pressure.
 
hotnikkelz said:
You can't do shit. Kilik gets free 3kB if you block it. VS his back parry shit, low block cuz the low is faster it seems, and if u see the slow B coming, GI it from crouch.
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Thx Marg & Hot.

Errr I dunno what to say other than wtf was Namco thinking?!?! I can see a GC move giving frame advantage on block--but enough to guarantee a free attack (or throw?)?? Wow that's fucking stupid. Guess I'll have to work on my online GI skillz. :/
 
Bronzefist said:
Thx Marg & Hot.

Errr I dunno what to say other than wtf was Namco thinking?!?! I can see a GC move giving frame advantage on block--but enough to guarantee a free attack (or throw?)?? Wow that's fucking stupid. Guess I'll have to work on my online GI skillz. :/
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Maxi 4[A+B] ring a bell? >_>
 
Plume said:
Have you seen how Oofmatic plays Yoda...? That's exactly what I mean. More and more people are playing Yoda like he does. Constant pressure.
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The people who play against his Yoda severely lacks anti Yoda, hence it gives the ILLUSION, that Yoda is good and can rushdown. Truth is he can't...play with him yourself in practice, and examine his toolset, and you'd realize yourself ;)
 
Tiamat said:
Maxi 4[A+B] ring a bell? >_>
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that is definetly a yoda smasher if you can get the full charged one out that makes it even better. can you get RO KK after that or is that one of those moves that you cant get on yoda?

gotta put that one back in my game as well
 
hotnikkelz said:
The people who play against his Yoda severely lacks anti Yoda, hence it gives the ILLUSION, that Yoda is good and can rushdown. Truth is he can't...play with him yourself in practice, and examine his toolset, and you'd realize yourself ;)
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I did... I know what are Yoda's options, and I don't fall in his traps.
I know which moves have good range, which ones hit low, etc.
There's just that constant fear that whenever he jumps in the air, it might be for a throw.
And also the fact that I leave myself open for punishment where I normally wouldn't.
But I'll admit that I didn't take a lot of time to practise Maxi vs Yoda... I only practised *as* Yoda.
 
on yoda i really just duck alot, do 2A, FC B a+bG repeat. i hate playing him because i have to take it really slow and not overextend my loop. i will only use BB, BBB WL A, 4B B ->2A+K->RO B. its like just plucking away.

i agree with the use of 4[A+B] post GI. also when you have ran up on them on wakeup enough with 2KB and other shit i have seen then pop up and freeze, and as long as you started a little early by the time they step i forget which side it is but it will still catch them. its the only way i could RO icecoldedge last night.
 
Online is a different ball game than offline. Offline he sucks, i can't say about online. You may require different strategy who knows.
 
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