Ivy Online/Lag Tactics

[Pure_Vanity]

Do You Thing Ivy Is Cheap

My definition of cheap is a char with to many safe move, long range, quick speed, a lot of tech ducks, easy to pull of combos and frame of a lot of hits*cough mitsu*

 

[Pure_Vanity]

Do You Thing Ivy Is Cheap

well.. there is one spammable move online. Its that one where she wraps herself in her coil. Then you just choose how u want to get out of the state...rinse and repeat. But while she might be different to face than a lot of characters... in no way is she "cheap" any more than anyone else.

XD i use to do that untill i fought woahzz and he punished my ass on block, then he told me it was -22 on block

 

[Pure_Vanity]

Do You Thing Ivy Is Cheap

agreed. it combos and starts combos, force crouches, hits grounded, very nice range, side steps so much that even even some horizontals miss,and the BBB ending tracks so every move cant be side stepped. the other thing i dont really like is the range on some of her moves. SE B+K(i think) has fucking outrageous range and is pretty much a shield since you it stays there and hits you if you run into it. where the fuck does she keep enough wire to make it stretch 70 feet.

XD i actuallly learned the hard way that X has horizontals so wide its basically a guarenteed hit on block

 

[Ring]

Do You Thing Ivy Is Cheap

My definition of cheap is a char with to many safe move, long range, quick speed, a lot of tech ducks, easy to pull of combos and frame of a lot of hits*cough mitsu*

That sounds like Setsuka,except that her combos arent that easy. Mitsu is not that safe.

btw use the "edit" button instead of posting 3 messages in a row

 

[DiBiddilyBop]

Do You Thing Ivy Is Cheap

Online Ivy is beastly. She has several lows that can be blocked on reaction offline, but are nearly impossible to online and lead into massive damage combos.

Offline, Ivy is just a good character.

Anyone who says anything is "cheap" online is fooling themselves into thinking online is a valid measuring stick. Most character's have a 1A that is "cheap" online. So by that standard, yes, Ivy is cheap because she has such a plethora of mixups and lows that can't be read or reacted to online. That being said, I respect Ivy players because although I've tried, I just don't have the patience to learn all of the intricacies that she has. Coming from a Setsuka player, I think that's saying something.

 

[GATOR]

Do You Thing Ivy Is Cheap

well.. technically they are still "readable" online. Your controller just doesn't like listening as much online. I guess your xbox is lookin at porn or somethign while you are playing and jumps back a few frames later to do what it was told yellin "my bad!" and "I was just getting a bite to eat" ... like we don't know what the sexbox does online....

 

[smilingsaint]

Do You Thing Ivy Is Cheap

i strongly dislike dismissing anything as "cheap", but i will say ivy is very powerful. i have not understood why in the past tier rankings she has not been considered if not top tier, very near it. i have a hellish time punishing her with mitsu, simply because of the high push back on her moves. further, her combos last forever and deal frightening amounts of damage.

i was actually a little surprised that one of the replies complained about mitsu. people take us mitsu players for granted, but really it is a lot of hard work.

anyways, while this is in no way the correct forum for my follow up i thought i might impose on you anyways. can any of you recommend some solid strategies i can employ with mitsu to overcome ivy? typically she tends to combo me into oblivion or simply keep me back with very long range moves that have push back. any advice would be appreciated.

 

[spongebob]

Do You Thing Ivy Is Cheap

Well she can feel cheap in a really good players hands getting hit by all those low attack throws and stupidly long combos does get pretty annoying. And how does a char not being top tier not make them cheap? o_O Im not really gonna say whether i think she's cheap or not cause I know eitherway sum1's gonna disagree with me and hav a good reason.

But I had my first victory ever against one of those 90% wins Godly Ivy players today. It was a really close match and I got hit by those crazy combos that take off half your health alot but I managed to pull through. I was gonna send them a message saying GG just before they left on the you win page... -_- *sigh* guess you'd expect that from sum1 with such high wins...

 

[Inori DWF]

Do You Thing Ivy Is Cheap

I played a good Ivy player the other day and I was going to say good game after I hardly beat the guy. but then he sent me a message saying your a faggot, ur shit is retarded and wouldn't work offline... Online just gets worse by the hour

 

[IvyFanboy]

Do You Thing Ivy Is Cheap

The only way she can really be regarded as cheap is when your dealing with low level players or even intermediate. This game has little sympathy for mistakes made and generally throwing the wrong move can lead to a 3rd of your health bar being ripped away. So most noob to intermediate players deal with up close combat and with both players generally in weapons length for both people at all times, it gives decent chance for the lesser player to fluke out...not Ivy however. Her whip stance (generally her worse among the 3 main) destroys noobs.

Ever spammed WP 6B+K2_8 over and over again? you'll either take away most their life or put them in critical finish range before they figure away around it. Where a good player will fall for it no more than twice and then rip you a new one on the slow recovery. CH 1A(B+K), 236BB will dominate almost all run ins. And if they get close good ol 4A+B, B to send them right back out of range.

With ivy in whip most players will never be able to get close enough to land a lucky hit. As well Ivy has ridiculous combos. However her most absurd ones are shakable...look at the one in my sig (her biggest combo)...most good players will escape both shakable parts but a n00b will be eating 125+ damage every time. If you don't know hot to shake, Ivy has some insanely over powered combos.

Next...214B...the noob killer. This move alone will wreck 90% of all average players and below. CL 214, CH K, K, A+B = major damage for a noob who will more than likely try to rise quick and block (also major RO potential!). Also most noobs completely eat it when you throw CL A+BA+K, 66A+B, 3...then again so do most good players.

Even sword mode can wreck them...22K, 214K and 6, 3B, 4K and 1KB(K) are completely spammable

However at the end of the day, when it comes to advanced play, she's good but has to dumb her move list down quite a bit and leave the fancy stuff behind (though SW 6, iCS is still hawt).

 

[Roxaris]

Do You Thing Ivy Is Cheap

maybe its just because im a noob but i think there is nothing cheap by any character.

i think saying something or better said a move or charakter is cheap, just means that someone has problems to handle different situations.

i mean situations like raphs 6BBB. if i get hit 3 or more times and i am still not able to block, i wouldnt say, that it was cheap. instead i would ask myself, why the hell i just dont block or whatever.
same with astas 1[A]B or 1[A]A. after getting hit by that move so often, i just know now what to do against and i would never say its cheap. its an available move for that char and so why shouldnt someone use it?

another situation is, if someone plays just that good, gets you down to one hit left and then he gets out of the ring with a single move. why should this be cheap move? he better watch out not to come in such a situation.

i just play connections 4 or 5 and it has ok latency. all 3-1 isnt good and i may not wonder if someone just spam a single move. i just dont play such games and then i avoid such situations.

just my opinion to the word "cheap".

 

[IvyFanboy]

Do You Thing Ivy Is Cheap

The only thing i will ever regard as cheap offline is possibly hilde's RO potential. Mainly because one mistake ALMOST ANYWHERE can be game. No character has that ability. All Ro's are pretty conditional to location, while hilde can carry you across the stage. It needs to be nerfed, but fairly. The combos should still connect but the RO needs drastic balancing.

 

[Soupy]

Do You Thing Ivy Is Cheap

The only thing i will ever regard as cheap offline is possibly hilde's RO potential. Mainly because one mistake ALMOST ANYWHERE can be game. No character has that ability. All Ro's are pretty conditional to location, while hilde can carry you across the stage. It needs to be nerfed, but fairly. The combos should still connect but the RO needs drastic balancing.

Ivyfanboy, Hilde's RO potential is balanced as she is still hard to play and her Charges are in fact slow most can be interrupted before execution with throws etc. and there is also something called the Gaurd button that even tho it gives Hilde advantage on block, Hilde really doesn't have alot of ways to use that advantage. Hilde is balanced, it's the players that haven't gotten a good Anti-Hilde strat that allows this RO's again it's not the game balancing it's the players.

 

[Thatman_Blaze]

Do You Thing Ivy Is Cheap

Ivyfanboy, Hilde's RO potential is balanced as she is still hard to play and her Charges are in fact slow most can be interrupted before execution with throws etc. and there is also something called the Gaurd button that even tho it gives Hilde advantage on block, Hilde really doesn't have alot of ways to use that advantage. Hilde is balanced, it's the players that haven't gotten a good Anti-Hilde strat that allows this RO's again it's not the game balancing it's the players.

i completely agree with this statement.

 

[Soupy]

Do You Thing Ivy Is Cheap

Ivyfanboy, Hilde's RO potential is balanced as she is still hard to play and her Charges are in fact slow most can be interrupted before execution with throws etc. and there is also something called the Gaurd button that even tho it gives Hilde advantage on block, Hilde really doesn't have alot of ways to use that advantage. Hilde is balanced, it's the players that haven't gotten a good Anti-Hilde strat that allows this RO's again it's not the game balancing it's the players.

Also i may have said it but nothing i said has anything to do with "On Reaction" it's all just a statement that can be done , even tho hilde is a good character she does have some flaws. Not major ones where she is a bad character because even with out charges Hilde is good and I give her that, it's just this whole "Hilde is unbalanced" thing in a whole is getting annoying.

 

[pineapplejuice]

Do You Thing Ivy Is Cheap

i dont think shes cheap as shes hard to learn apparently, but id say shes unfair. its no fun fighting her, yove seen one good ivy youve seen em all. she ruins the fun by basically not fighting she just stands there and can pretty much overide everone elses moves. shes tough to impact too, so once you get a hit on her just make sure you dont stop! lol

 

[Soupy]

Do You Thing Ivy Is Cheap

i dont think shes cheap as shes hard to learn apparently, but id say shes unfair. its no fun fighting her, yove seen one good ivy youve seen em all. she ruins the fun by basically not fighting she just stands there and can pretty much overide everone elses moves. shes tough to impact too, so once you get a hit on her just make sure you dont stop! lol

You just said something I would say is completely stupid, She is in no way shape or form unfair she has advantages/disadvantages Ivy is just a normal character with a Perma-stance as we would say as she is always in stance, and how can she overide everyone elses' move list? Her frames allow to duck, dodge, and nip right in the butt so whats the problem? Because you know nothing of her and you can't beat her? Please don't speak out of your ass until you have factual evidence that Ivy is in fact cheap and not just pretty much say "Because I lost to a Ivy" that's stupid and add's to the bogus "Characters should be banned" claim as made when this came out, it's people like this that support the fact that everytime someone loses they want something banned.

I say we make a educational comic strip to support this notion.

 

[pineapplejuice]

Do You Thing Ivy Is Cheap

read my post again mate "I DONT THINK SHES CHEAP" im no expert (duh) ill say it like i see it. i like upclose fighting so no i dont have much time for ivy, though i do respect those who use her well. if i cant beat an ivy ill just go get mi-na and give ivy several new orifices lol.

 

[Plume]

Do You Thing Ivy Is Cheap

(...)"Because I lost to a Ivy" that's stupid and add's to the bogus "Characters should be banned" claim as made when this came out, it's people like this that support the fact that everytime someone loses they want something banned.

It's people like you that cause complaints (or finger pointing) to sound like if they were ban requests.

 

[pineapplejuice]

Do You Thing Ivy Is Cheap

my 'forum' grammer isnt very good i know, but i at least try to make things legible. i know theres alot of americans on here so im not expecting shakespeare, but come on guys. half the time on here i dont know if im being insulted or complimented.