Jaxel's Impressions on Soulcalibur V

First lets get some history out of the way... Growing up, I never really liked fighting games; I played them, but very rarely, and often with disapproval. Then Soulcalibur II came out, and all that changed. Suddenly the idea of a fighting game that didn't require physical dexterity to play was apparent. I could use mind games to win matches, instead of muscle memory.

To this day, Soulcalibur II is still one of my favorite games; even though going back to it is often hard because of the lack of "flashiness" we've grown accustom to in more recent games. However, when SC3 came out, I became soured on the series. I very publicly decried the game and hated it with every fiber of my being. Even SC4, which is arguably, an extremely good game, took a long time to grow on me in the aftermath of SC3.

That all being said, let me put this out there: I LOVE SOULCALIBUR V! In my short time playing the game earlier this week, I felt genuinely elated to have my hands on with the game. While the game is still a few months away from release, it feels well polished and you can tell the developers of the game are working hard to take good care of the franchise.

===== GAMEPLAY =====

By now, you have have already seen some older videos of gameplay from Soulcalibur V. Well things have changed significantly since then. Now, it appears that damage output has been decreased across the board from earlier builds of the game. In earlier trailers, a raw critical edge would do over 50% damage, now it appears they do more like 30%. In general, damage output now seems rather low, so I wouldn't be surprised if it changes again.

The game itself is very fast. It appears to be a compromise between those who liked SC2 and those who liked SC3/4. Movement in the game is very fast, with step being buffed up from previously releases. However, at the same time, the game has the fluidity we see in current generation gaming (generally, in order to make animations more fluid, games have to be slowed down). So is the game more like SC2 or SC3/4? Well... neither. This is a new game.

When I got my hands on the game, the first thing I tested were button binds. In earlier versions of SC4, Hilde could have multiple binds by having multiple buttons tied to the same command. There was fear that this could potentially be used to exploit the new "just-guard" system. I can tell you now that these fears are unfounded and input times are linked to the command, not the buttons.

Not only that, but it appears you can't mash just-guards in the first place. When you press guard, while you may be guarding from frame 1, your character goes through a transition animation; you can only just guard during this animation. As well, after you've attempted (and failed) a just-guard, the game seems to "lock out" just-guarding for a small number of frames to prevent you from trying it again.

So yes, while you can technically "full parry" critical edge supers in SC5, it will take a lot of skill and you'll pretty much have to be on point for it to happen. Why "full parry" instead of simply blocking or guard impacting? Because every time you just-guard a move, you gain a little edge meter, and managing your meter seems to be the name of the game.

So just-guarding is powerful right? Then why guard impact; especially when GI-ing takes half a bar of meter? Well, even though just-guarding lessens some frames of recovery, it rarely gives free "major" damage. GI on the other hand leaves the player in a large window of recovery. So large that I was able to get free with Ezio: :B::+::K: :2:*:8: :B:; which is a very slow shoulder rush, into dodge roll stance, into coup de grace gunshot on the ground.

===== STAGES =====

As you may have heard from other reviewers; the stages are beautiful! SC4 introduced "destructable" stages, where a wall could come down mid-match after a player is slammed into it. Namco has expanded on this with multi-tiered stages and between round automatic stage destruction.

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One stage in particular, the "Sinking Merchant Ship" is very reminiscent of the pirate ship from previous games. However, this time, the ship is present during an ensuing battle with the cannonade proceeding in the background. The catch is, once you get to the final round, the stage changes. A custscene breaks up the gameplay (which can be skipped), where another ship fires their cannons at the merchant vessel, dropping the players to the lower decks of the ship, thus removing all ring outs.

Another stage, the "Shrine to the Ancient God Palgea" (the replacement for Kunpaetku Shrine?) has multiple tiers. At first, the match starts in a very narrow bridge, very similar in size and shape to SC4's "seesaw", but with ringouts only on one side. When a player gets rung out, we get to see a cutscene where one player falls to the lower level and the other player drops down to follow them.

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Besides the stage gimmicks themselves, a lot of work and care was put into the design of the stages themselves. In one stage, the "Grand Festival of Guandi Template", you can see a Chinese New Year celebration, where it appears the current match has become the highlight of the event. Spectators party and dance around with traditional Chinese paper dragons.

===== ATMOSPHERE =====

Characters have personalized entry quotes and victory poses. For instance, when Tira beats Pyrrha, she comments on how no amount of apologies will save her (Pyrrha apoligizes a lot during battle). Or for instance, in a battle between Leixia and Maxi, Leixia greats the match with "Lord Maxi, please be easy on me", but a very respectful bow... and when she wins: "Lord Maxi, you let me win, didn't you?!"

The music in the game also seems to be a lot more "aloof" than recent entries into the franchise. In that mind, it bears far more resemblance to SC2 than SC3/4. SC3/4 had been deep and moody scores, while SC2 was a bit more upbeat and "synthy". SC5 appears to focus very heavily on trumpets and drums in it's music; which may remind players more of a marching band.

===== CHARACTERS =====

Before we get to the good part; I want to make it a point to say that I did not have the game in a tournament setting. For the most part, I only had the computer to play against. While the computer AI in SC5 seems to be excellent (I was told that the developers actually had to tune down the CPU because at first it was too good), I never got the chance to sit down and do anything technical like testing frames, or play against other tournament players.

These impressions are my initial impressions based on a limited playtime. Lots of characters have been discussed previously in other playtests, so I will limit myself to only new playable characters. Namco also reiterated to me many times that characters are constantly changing in an effort to balance the game; so they may change significantly from now till release.

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Of course, everyone wants to know about Ezio. Ezio was definately fun to play; short range attacks tend to use of single directions, while his mid range attacks are generally out of multiple directions (such as 8-way-run or quarter circles). His long range attacks all come from uses of the input :B::+::K:; which could make use of a crossbow or hidden gun. You can see a video of me playing Ezio against the CPU.
As much fun as he is to play, right now he felt "incomplete". Maybe its because we were not given move lists and we had to figure out moves on our own, but he felt very limited in his options. Not to mention, his fast moves have such short range that he has to pretty much be on top of you to get any sort of advantage. His mid/long range moves are so slow that he probably doesn't have much in the way of pressure. I'm sure he's still being worked on, so hopefully he'll be a bit more viable on release.

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I didn't play Raphael at all in SC4; my experience with him is based sorely on SC2. Because of this, I had no idea what I was doing with him. All in all, he seems to be Raphael. Very linear, but at the same time very fast. I was hoping that the computer would be able to show me something, but even on very hard, the computer couldn't put up much of a fight. You can watch the video above and try to analyze things if you wish, I know people on the Raphael forum have already begun so.

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Just like with Raphael, I have very limited experience with Nightmare. I never played him in SC2, let alone SC4. However, with my limited playtime in SC5, he looks pretty much exactly the same was the previous iteration. Of course, I can't comment whether or not his inputs have changed, since I never knew them to begin with. I can say however, that his soul charge moves are gone... and he is FAST. Yes, Nightmare is FAST... and I mean FAST.

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I imagine Viola will be a tough contender during the early days after SC5's launch. While, you can't technically have cross-ups in a fighting game with a block button, often against Viola, you'll feel like you're getting hit with one. Normally in a fighting game, the opponent attacks, and you block; once their attacks are over, you stop blocking and start your retaliation. With Viola, when you start your retaliation, you get hit in the back of the head with her orb.

Viola has two major stances, Holding Orb, and Orb-less. As she plays, she starts with the orb in her hands, and has the ability to place it out as she wants; which is usually an attack in itself. Once the orb is out on the battlefield, she can summon it back as she wishes; which is usually another attack. Orb placement can be high as well as low; not only that, she can attack with it from above as a mid.
Often you will feel like you are fighting against Urien in Third Strike with his Aegis Reflector, or Litchi Faye-ling in BlazBlue with her staff. However, to balance it out, Viola has an extremely low damage output. She appears to be designed for players accustom to 2D fighting games, where a 5 second long 10 hit combo only does 30% damage. But her constant pressure seems to give her many opportunities to reset the opponent.

Her critical edge super unlike anyone else's in the game. While most critical finishes are simple animated attacks, hers stays out in the battlefield and sucks the opponent in like a black hole. It does low damage, but it keeps the opponent standing, and Viola is free to move around the continue to combo from it. If the opponent blocks, she is able to walk up and force a mixup.

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I had the most experience with Leixia, as I've played Xianghua in both SC2 and SC4. First things first, let me get this out there... Someone is crushing hard at Namco, because Leixia is Kayane. You may not see it in screenshots, or low quality videos, but when you sit down with the actual game, her image is undeniable. Of course, this isn't the first time Kayane has been featured, as her play-style and name were replicated in Broken Destiny.

Moving on... Xianghua players will be disappointed if she remains unchanged before release. Not only have many of her inputs inexplicably changed, Leixia is slow and appears to have many of her basic tools from previous games missing. Most notably, she is missing :3::A:, which was one of her staple lows in previous games. In fact, speaking with MarkMan at the event, we couldn't even think of a single good low besides her WR :A::+::B:.

But it isn't all bad! As with other characters, for everything bad, there is always something good. Leixia does not have her mother's Silent Xia Sheng stance and charges. But wait, "isn't that a bad thing?" you may be thinking. Nope! With the loss of SXS, Leixia no longer requires charges to be good. In fact, any place where Xianghua would have transitioned into SXS, she instead has a built in guard crush. So, she has a LOT of guard crushes. Now if only she had the speed to match it...

===== FINAL NOTES =====

SC5 seems very focused on character knowledge, very much like Virtua Fighter. Every character operates differently, so if you don't know what your opponent has at their disposal, I wouldn't expect you to make it very far in tournaments. You can't simply rely on basics and eek out wins anymore.

All things considered, the game looks great, plays great, sounds great. Its clearly the "flashiest" of all the Soulcalibur games with it's constant assault on your senses. At the same time, it also appears that Namco knows who they need to attract. As members of 8WayRun, you already know you plan on getting the game, and you'll probably love it; Namco already has our commitment. It's clear they are trying to directly attract players from the likes of Shoryuken and the 2D community.
 
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man, honestly, it's a good idea to just take his word for it. I wasn't a tourney player during SC3 but believe me when I say I have full confidence that thugish knows what he's talking about
I desire to be educated. Was Xianghua banned from tourney in SC3? Was any character banned from tourney in SC4?
 
I desire to be educated. Was Xianghua banned from tourney in SC3? Was any character banned from tourney in SC4?
Banned? LOL - Sophitia and X were super powerful in SCIII and perfectly legal.

As for SCIV - in the US, Hilde, Algol, Bonus characters and CAS are banned.
In europe, Hilde, Algol, all star wars characters, Bonus characters and CAS are banned.
I THINK the australians still allow Hilde to this day though...
 
Also don't forget that the tourney scene for SC3 was the smallest of any game in the Soul series specifically for it's ridiculous imbalance. Bans don't tell the whole story. You have to have enough people that care about the game for bans to come into effect as a topic of discussion.
 
See, you don't even know the answers to those questions, yet you were implying as if you did. Good job.
Ever hear of a concept known as rhetoric? I was seeing if you knew. Synraii had to answer it for you.
Good points, the rest of you. I guess I shouldn't feel bad about losing to Xianghua or Sohpitia on extremely hard. Cause that means they are Extremely Hard Plus. But if i meet up with any of you, we could prove this in person as far as versus goes.
 
Ever hear of a concept known as rhetoric? I was seeing if you knew. Synraii had to answer it for you.
Good points, the rest of you. I guess I shouldn't feel bad about losing to Xianghua or Sohpitia on extremely hard. Cause that means they are Extremely Hard Plus. But if i meet up with any of you, we could prove this in person as far as versus goes.
Thugish is a famous SCIII player, that's where he made his name, lol. He knows a shitton more about that game than I ever will - be careful who you flame. =P
 
How would I look like I'm an idiot? I knew they banned characters in SC4 but not in SC3. The reason SC3 wasn't that popular is because it wasn't better than SC2. But as it stands between SC3 and SC4, SC3 is a better game over-all. The fact that you all seem to dodge is that Tournament players do not make up the majority of people who support this game. They get tons more revenue from people who just take the game home and enjoy it. The only mistake I made was that I thought all true fans opinions mattered here. So this is just a tourney site, huh?

Who's around New York?

this is me backing up words. I'll be living in New York soon. I'm willing to challenge anybody that wants to use Xianghua against my Kilik in SC3 (whom was greatly diminished from SC2). you can leave such invitations on my profile page.

Edit: in fact, tell me the worst Standard character, and I'll use that and joke weapon against your X or Sophie.
 
You suggested that Thugish Pond didn't know what he was talking about in SCIII - That's like saying Aris doesn't know what he's talking about in Tekken.
I'm still chuckling about it in fact. =P
 
How would I look like I'm an idiot? I knew they banned characters in SC4 but not in SC3. The reason SC3 wasn't that popular is because it wasn't better than SC2. But as it stands between SC3 and SC4, SC3 is a better game over-all. The fact that you all seem to dodge is that Tournament players do not make up the majority of people who support this game. They get tons more revenue from people who just take the game home and enjoy it. The only mistake I made was that I thought all true fans opinions mattered here. So this is just a tourney site, huh?

this is me backing up words. I'll be living in New York soon. I'm willing to challenge anybody that wants to use Xianghua against my Kilik in SC3. you can leave such invitations on my profile page.

True fan? You claim to know arguing, rhetoric and debate, but you used the one-true-scotsman fallacy? Cut it out. You have lost this argument due to lack of knowledge- i.e. YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.

Hell, I could make the argument that tourney players are still playing the game after 3 years, and travelling ACROSS THE WORLD to play it. So who is really the true fan? The unlock-happy, beat the game on hard and make CaS, or the tournament player?

Trick question, the answer is neither. Nobody is a true fan. Just fans.
 
Love the details, thanks Jaxel. SCV will give me the opportunity to start fresh in the tournament scene since I've decided to take the fighting more seriously than before.
 
I already talked about the over the top lighting stuff in SCv...I am definitely certain it will affect how long I can play the game before turning it off.

As far as competitive life...yeah SC4 has a good one. Partly because it come out on multiple consoles and wasn't as buggy as SC3, most importantly we didn't bash it to death. The transition from the mechanics in SC2 to SC3 was ridiculously huge...turned off a lot of players. However, SC3 is definitely the game with superior mechanics. It definitely had a higher quality in competitive matches.

SC4 is uber noob friendly and very forgiving. I would make the argument that getting good at SC4 was easier than SC3.
 
For me the little yellow swirls every time you grab someone, whole character flashing colors on jg and the hit flashes are just to much. It takes away from the animations but I guess it makes it a bigger show for spectators. I would prefer less dazzle and simple lighting and shading.
 
Yeah, way too much flashy crap in there. The lighting effects look neat, but they're way over the top this time. For someone like Viola, who's whole style revolves around magic and stuff, I can see it, but for someone like Astaroth, no, and giving it to him just cheapens the effect for the characters like her who should have it.

It would be like if everyone in Tekken had lightning crackling around their arms when they punched, it would cheapen it for the Mishimas, who should have it.
 
This isn't a balance topic but since yall keep talkin about it...
How many characters have no chance at doing well in sc3 vs. sc4?
Which characters got seriously nerfed or seriously beefed for sc4?
Taki went down, Mina went down, Maxi went down, Zas went down, X went down a little, but nobody's level went up much in sc4 cept Amy (Kilik and Yoshi are arguable), while some new characters came in stronger than any sc3 character.
Include VC, and what happens to sc3's balance? Lizardman goes up, Zas goes up, Setsuka goes up, Mitsu goes up, Kilik goes up slightly, etc, nobody goes down, so... it improved the balance of sc3.
Why didn't anyone get banned in sc3? Cause nobody was broke, and some (RTD, etc) say that SC2 Xianghua was better than SC3's...(also keep in mind sc3 PAL version you couldn't even evade cancel, so we're not all talkin about the exact same game).
How many sc3 tourneys did a Maxi player place high in? ALOT!
And I remember when Oofmatic had a nice little win streak in casuals against folks using Talim.
Not to mention how many characters sc3 had when you include the bonus characters, who could also compete at high level, most of em. Miser!

Also, online play helps tourney life, so that's a bit unfair of a comparison, but for some sc3 was still strong till the day sc4 came out.
 
It's a shame SC3 never caught up in the States as good as it did here. I played the game competitively for over 3 years without even knowing about that woeful VC, or realizing the huge imbalance of X and Sophie.

The game's mechanics (stun combos, JI, breakable walls) and the adjust in pacing compared to SC2 made it a lot more appealing. SC2 was still definitely more popular, but things in terms of player dedication and skill leveled up quite a bit for SC3 here. Of course, not at the level of DR, but enough to have made ourselves noticed.

Having said that, I look back at SC4 and think the game wasn't that bad. It has certainly been the longest lasting internationally and the MOST balanced in terms of character diversity and options. Still no SC3 in pacing, but fun to play anyway, even with its lackluster content.
 

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