Maxi General Q&A

Barry said:
Yup, you heard me correctly the first time :)

LO PSL2->LO

Aqua can confirm this as we both tested it at SCR.
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WTF! Where's the LI shift? Does LO PSL1 still go to BL?
I wonder what's the logic behind these changes in shifts. The loss of PSL3?!
Are there any natural shifts anymore? Gotta wait 4 more days it seems
 
LO PSL2 does not go back to LO, maybe its two shifts away from LO again. I was just playing the other day and I was playing around with 4B PSL2 LI a lot, its still there
 
You're right, now that I remember I allowed the second B in 4BB->LO which neutral cancelled to RC then I PSL2->LO

Why do I feel so old all of a sudden :(
 
Barry said:
Yup, you heard me correctly the first time :)

LO PSL2->LO

Aqua can confirm this as we both tested it at SCR.
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Yep!

Worked like a charm when people were getting duck happy with 4BBK.

Plus you of course take a step back when transitioning to PSL2 which helps maximize the LO B range.

Edit: Yes it's after the 4BB where you cancel RC into PSL2 -> LO B then you can just repeat it over and over.

Forgot the RC was hidden in there.
 
Barry said:
You're right, now that I remember I allowed the second B in 4BB->LO which neutral cancelled to RC then I PSL2->LO

Why do I feel so old all of a sudden :(
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you scum, stop confusing me :p
That's what I thought. I remember someone doing 4B psl2 LI K a lot in a vid so i was like whaaa.
Are there any other natural shifts?
 
I don't think RC has a natural shift, 4BB just goes into that stance (not LO). I believe the only stances that have natural shifts are the same ones as before, LO and LI.
 
Uber1337 said:
I don't think RC has a natural shift, 4BB just goes into that stance (not LO). I believe the only stances that have natural shifts are the same ones as before, LO and LI.
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When I say "neutrally cancelled" I mean not having to hold a direction to shift. You're right about LI shifting back into LI (which is the only other one). However if my memory serves me correctly LO will always cancel to RC whether you use 4BB, or just cycle through PSL1 or 2 and just stop at LO.
 
i think we're kinda talking about the same thing. When I say "neutral shift", i'm talking about a stance that must go through another stance, without PSL1 or PSL2, before returning to neutral.

-LO must go through RC before Maxi can block
-LI must go through BL? before Maxi can block

I think what is confusing me is that your talking about LO shifts in the context of 4BB. I'm pretty sure 4BB enters directly into RC, which does not have a neutral shift. Are you just trying to say PSL2 after 4BB -> RC? Does RC PSL2 go into LO now instead of BL?
 
Uber1337 said:
i think we're kinda talking about the same thing. When I say "neutral shift", i'm talking about a stance that must go through another stance, without PSL1 or PSL2, before returning to neutral.

-LO must go through RC before Maxi can block
-LI must go through BL? before Maxi can block

I think what is confusing me is that your talking about LO shifts in the context of 4BB. I'm pretty sure 4BB enters directly into RC, which does not have a neutral shift. Are you just trying to say PSL2 after 4BB -> RC? Does RC PSL2 go into LO now instead of BL?
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Correct, with getting rid of PSL3 in SC5 Namco has changed around the order Maxi cycles through stances with PSL1 & 2.

LI no longer recovers to BL but instead goes back to LI (I believe this was the case in SC4 but you could have G cancelled into RO if you shortly charged the B). This is no longer possible and has been replaced with WR B+Kg->RO. The difference here is instead of holding the B the cancel is so fast that you have to hit your RO move choice very fast or you're left open.

4B by itself goes to LO and then you have the option of finishing with any move from LO. LO BK is unique because if you do not hit the K after the B it will recover in RC before Maxi can block. So the mentality one should have here is that technically while LO B,K is a string from LO, it can be cancelled by not hitting the K.

Don't quote me on this but I also remember that PSL1 from RO will go to LI and not RC like we're accustomed to. I hate having to speculate on these things. Once I get the game in my hands the Maxi knowledge base for SCV will be talked about for years to come. With the help of everyone else here I will spare no details.
 
Barry said:
Don't quote me on this but I also remember that PSL1 from RO will go to LI and not RC like we're accustomed to. I hate having to speculate on these things. Once I get the game in my hands the Maxi knowledge base for SCV will be talked about for years to come. With the help of everyone else here I will spare no details.
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TBH this doesn't make sense to me just from a physical standpoint. I mean, I know a lot of Maxi's moves have chucks magically float into place a lot, but that's pretty different. They'd have to have his chucks switch over to the other hand in a completely different position without him going into LO or something? I'm almost questioning this because I have no idea how they would even animate that, but I guess I wouldn't put it past them.
 
So...just to confirm again
4B neutral = LO -> RC as it always did
LI neutral = LI -> LI now and NOT BL. I would've actually preferred it to go to BL in this game since we got old BL A back.

Logically speaking, LI cancels slowly cuz you have to cancel LI TWICE to end it. That's so weird hahaha, it used to be LI try to cancel but I have to go BL first then cancel. Cancelling the same stance twice seems well awkward.
LO still cancels slowly right?! logically it should becuz of the RC natural shift. I would like that consistency.

I'm kinda liking that RC PSL2 LO. Now that LO B is strong, access to the stance should be better. Opens up stuff like AA on hit RC PSL2 LO B bait.
In this game it seems RO is where will be shifting from the most. 6A, 1B, 44B. I guess that's why they stripped out PSL3 for balance reasons. Serious lockdown due to the strength of RO B and RO A and WL. We would be doing RO PSL3 LO Bs and Ks all over the place.
 
no johnny, I think what Barry really means is that LI B goes back into LI. I'm pretty sure LI neutral shifts to BL still. Going back into LI doesn't really make sense, there would be no shift animation.

The unfortunate side of LI B going back into LI now is that LI B isn't that safe anymore. I think you can use LI A to interupt most followups (and punish duckers), which allows you to use LI K as a safe exit, but you can't just block after LI B.



It is true that RO PSL1 goes to LI now, I was playing around with that.

I am also excited about the change of PSL2 RC->LO if that is true. This should lead to some awesome spacing games and CH LO Bs.
 
OOHHHH thanks for the clarification. In that case the neutral shifts are just as they always were. I already knew LI B led to LI now, because they wanted LI B to combo with LI A, I knew that much :)
LI B is so linear now too, might have to resort to WL. Noone ducks vs LI though, so the K should be somewhat whoreable.

wait wait wait, RO PSL1 LI?? and not BL? that's hot sauce! does PSL2 go to RC?
 
actually i'm wrong. Its not RO that PSL1's into LI, its BL->LI. So now you can PSL1 to LI after a RO A if you wanted to. Im not too sure about PSL2 from RO. I was having so much fun using the beefy RO moves that I didn't even consider trying to leave that stance.

As for the LI tracking, I didn't think it was as bad as people were saying. It has some tracking at least. I know I was able to catch some people that were trying to step, but I don't think they were quick stepping. I still don't like it much though, i wish it was the same as wsB+K
 
Grrrr. You raised my hopes and now they're shattered :)
BL is so...uncommon. Needs more things to lead to it. I mean there's 4A and RO A, and 11A (former 236A) that's about it. Damn.
What's the difference between WS B+K and LI B in terms of blockstun and stance?
 
WR B+K will G cancel to RO other than that I saw no difference. I hope WR B+K on hit shifts to BL (call me crazy) as all the attempts I've seen it used in vids it was cancelled.
 
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