WuHT
Premium Moderator
Feel free to stick with playing SC2.
Maxi General Q&A
- Thread starter WARUI_NE
- Start date
Feel free to stick with playing SC2.
Deckard_Cain
[08] Mercenary
Or I can just keep playing Tekken like any self respecting old school SC player did. Nothing like people defending bad fighting games. I think SC reputation is beyond repairable at this point unless something drastic happens.
Also talk about being a trash moderator. WTH are you doing criticizing my post when this entire thread is full of speculations, whining, and bullshit. Did I hurt your feelings cause you're a SC newbee who LIKES the new SC games? You're a mod your job is to take your feelings out of this thread.
It's a shame that after nearly 10 years after the release of SC2 I don't see a single familiar face on these boards outside of Barry. Just goes to show you far the community has fallen. Too bad because SC2 is my favorite fighting game and I always wanted to see a sequel but it never happened.
KrayzieCD
[11] Champion
Deckard Cain: I felt like you at first regarding Maxi and his changes from SC2 to SC3. But after awhile I adapted to his differences and found that SC3 Maxi was actually more competitive than his SC2 form. Sure we all wanted 6A+B to stay exactly how it was in SC2 and we wanted 66A along with 236B to have it's SC2 properties. But then we found out about the awesomeness of 2A+B, and CH RO BBK being a combo for huge damage. How 66K gave frames on block, and how RC K was a fast low that gave +1 ON BLOCK. I feel if you gave SC3 more of a chance you would have grown to like Maxi. SC4 Maxi is a totally different story though, I feel the designers wanted to take him in a different direction but it ended up making him too unsafe and too guess oriented. In SC5 it seems that he will be more like his SC4 form but with safer moves, faster transitions through stances, and bigger damage. So give it some time, and try to get SC2 out of your head because no character in the game plays like their SC2 counterpart anymore.
WuHT: You will NEVER understand the complaints of old school Maxi players because you didn't use and experience the awesomeness that was Maxi in SC2. If you played that game as long as a lot of us did you would understand, trust me.
WuHT: You will NEVER understand the complaints of old school Maxi players because you didn't use and experience the awesomeness that was Maxi in SC2. If you played that game as long as a lot of us did you would understand, trust me.
Deckard_Cain
[08] Mercenary
You realize I was the one who discovered almost all that shit right? I got the game before everyone else and I broke the news on a lot of that stuff way back in the day BUT the game ended up being trash. SCIII fucked with his stances and removed a lot of solid tools he had. It turned me off so much. In the end they devolved him instead of Evolved him. Also wasn't RC that stupid jumping kick that was high? lol I mean he wasn't even a "good" character in SCII and they took away some of his BEST TOOLS. For no reason. Why is 66A gone? Why is it not back? What happened to 236+B and why would you remove it?
I didn't go in depth with SCIII Maxi beyond the first 3 weeks because in the first 3 weeks SCIII broke and I was done with the game. To be honest also, Tekken is just such a better fighting game that while I could have forced myself to keep play SCIII and gotten to learn SCIII Maxi why would I when I could just got play Tekken 5:DR and enjoy what a great game that was.
Then I spent like a day with SCIV maxi and when B RO was gone I was just like "fuck this game" and why wouldn't I? Why would you remove B to RO it was a huge part of his game in ever single SC. It's just silly.
I hear about this new Maxi and he still lacks so many tools I used back in the day it's like well he's not even the same character. Solid pokes, good stances, and just overall fun. I see moves out of stances and I just don't see the purpose of them, that start in SCIII when RC got completely switched around and I had no idea what the point of the stance was anymore.
I can bitch forever about it but the truth is the SC staff didn't know WTF they were doing and have completely alienated most of the players who enjoyed their games to begin with. It's tough looking back and I've got time to kill before TTT2 I just don't know if I wanna kill that time on SCV Maxi.
I mean 2A is still gdlk right? Wait didn't they change that to like special LOW instead of special mid or some BS like that. -_- Soul Calibur...
I didn't go in depth with SCIII Maxi beyond the first 3 weeks because in the first 3 weeks SCIII broke and I was done with the game. To be honest also, Tekken is just such a better fighting game that while I could have forced myself to keep play SCIII and gotten to learn SCIII Maxi why would I when I could just got play Tekken 5:DR and enjoy what a great game that was.
Then I spent like a day with SCIV maxi and when B RO was gone I was just like "fuck this game" and why wouldn't I? Why would you remove B to RO it was a huge part of his game in ever single SC. It's just silly.
I hear about this new Maxi and he still lacks so many tools I used back in the day it's like well he's not even the same character. Solid pokes, good stances, and just overall fun. I see moves out of stances and I just don't see the purpose of them, that start in SCIII when RC got completely switched around and I had no idea what the point of the stance was anymore.
I can bitch forever about it but the truth is the SC staff didn't know WTF they were doing and have completely alienated most of the players who enjoyed their games to begin with. It's tough looking back and I've got time to kill before TTT2 I just don't know if I wanna kill that time on SCV Maxi.
I mean 2A is still gdlk right? Wait didn't they change that to like special LOW instead of special mid or some BS like that. -_- Soul Calibur...
WuHT
Premium Moderator
You sound more butt hurt than me.
I don't know why you think i'm
1) defending bad fighting games
2) criticizing your post
3) I enjoy only new SC games
You're reaching and the only point I wanted to point out was that it's silly to want a SC2 maxi in SC5. I didn't plan on pointing out that SC5 is not SC2: HD.
And you do claim SC2 is your favourite game, then what was wrong with me telling you to go play it ?
Yeah I understand you feel you are an "old school" gamer so you think you're entitled to rant on and on about how the new game is a disappointment, and I also understand you seem to dislike my label of moderator (which i'm not posting under my capacity as a moderator in this maxi thread, i'm posting as a neutral fan of the series).
If I went on and on about how terrible this game would be, and how much I wanted SC2 maxi and how SC2 was my favourite game of all time, and then you told me to go play SC2, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't call you a "Trash moderator" for talking sense.
And krayzie, I'm not saying I dont' believe that SC2 maxi was much more awesome. I just don't like all this negativity about a game that's not even released, and the dude's already condemning it. It really hurts when these old school players who tell us "I'll stick with tekken", then think they can go piss on SC5. Go whine in the tekken forums if you're already drawn your line in the sand.
KrayzieCD
[11] Champion
SC3 RC stance was pretty beastly actually, RC A was the old 66A from SC2 and RC K was a fast, horizontal low kick that gave frames on block. RC B was old 236B from SC2, I have no idea why they put it in stance instead of a standalone move but they changed it back in SC4. Too bad it's pretty much useless in SC4 because of unsafety, no KD on hit, and not as much damage.
Anyhow, you really do seem stuck on SC2 Maxi which is understandable. But still, most of us old school SC2 players have finally come to grips with the fact that SC2 Maxi will not be returning so let's just move on. Once you accept that fact, you might be able to have fun with the new game.
WuHT
Premium Moderator
Looks like I need lessons on diplomacy from you.
You handled that better than me lol
Hot Rod Dave
"Saucy saucy minx"
Welcome to the forum Deckard. Im always interested in what old school maxi players think of maxi's evolution in this series. Opinions are always welcome.
Since you seem well versed in the old school maxi ways. Instead of hating on the game WE still have faith in, Why dont you throw up what YOU think would make a good maxi again.
And please refrain from plain old "I want SC2 maxi back". Cause we all loved him in SC2. Go into details. Tell us what you think.
HRD
KrayzieCD
[11] Champion
He already went into much detail. Basically the same thing all of us vets said at one point or another: Why take away great staple moves from a character that is already low tier? SC2 66A, 6A+B, fast normals, B into RO transition, etc etc.
HRD just give the dude time, either he'll get over the fact that SC2 Maxi ain't coming back or he'll move on without the game.
WARUI_NE
Prettier than you
sc3 maxi was higher tier then SC2 maxi bro
glorious GEN 1 MASTER RACE
Lol.
@HRD I want nothing to do with anything SC2 related its a terrible game and takes far less skill then SC3 and 4 from what I've played
At FSAK everyone was telling me SC3 was trash and to play SC2 then I ended up beating all those people with my 2 minute hei and necrid
keep in mind I had only played SC2 twice before
hotnikkelz
johNNy blaZe
Who is Deckard Cain? I'm real old old school, but that nick doesn't sound familiar, but he does claim to 'discover' some stuff...I thought that bit was interesting.
Krayzie, well said...
I thought SC2 was seriously flawed, and SC3 was just trash
Krayzie, well said...
I thought SC2 was seriously flawed, and SC3 was just trash
soakrates
[09] Warrior
Maxi was decent in SC2, but I see some of the comments people make about him now and wonder if they were playing the same game. Maxi didn't have much choice but to play very conservatively against opponents who were familiar with how he worked. Sure, it won matches, but there were a bunch of other characters that could be played almost exactly the same way and with better results.
Warui, you silly turtle. It's not hard to gimmick people out in a 10 year old game with characters practically nobody used.
Warui, you silly turtle. It's not hard to gimmick people out in a 10 year old game with characters practically nobody used.
WARUI_NE
Prettier than you
I played it twice so I knew nothing about every character in SC2 except for what they are like in SC3 or 4
everyone was a gimmick to me
Marginal
Chikara Sashimi
Yeah. he had a ton of moves, and his top damage option was what? 6A+B,K? SC2 Maxi was the weakest version til SC IV.
KrayzieCD
[11] Champion
And yet somehow even though SC2 was his weakest version it was also the most fun version. PSL4 all fuckin day baby! Will they ever bring that back, it was the coolest shit ever.
JAGTHEGEMINI
[12] Conqueror
SCII Maxi was really a good character. Not that good but imo not low tier. He was capable of doing good combos on normal hit with cool moves like 66A and 236B. I still prefer this Maxi.
SCIII Maxi was imo more complicated yet still powerful. It all depends on your personal playstile if it comes to the question who of these 2 Maxi incarnations were better.
And i played them both on HIGH-LEVEL play!
BTW: Even if it seems SCV Maxi doesn´t have tiger pounce anymore, i really like his new 6A+B. From what i heard it´s his old wsA+B.
SCIII Maxi was imo more complicated yet still powerful. It all depends on your personal playstile if it comes to the question who of these 2 Maxi incarnations were better.
And i played them both on HIGH-LEVEL play!
BTW: Even if it seems SCV Maxi doesn´t have tiger pounce anymore, i really like his new 6A+B. From what i heard it´s his old wsA+B.
Hot Rod Dave
"Saucy saucy minx"
I played a total of about 5 hours of SCIII. I never got to mess with sc3 maxi.
However had tons of fun with sc2 maxi. I thought me and my homie were the best sc players in the world. Cause we played dailey for like 3 years. But then I discovered this whole sc community, got my ass raped and handed to me.
I still enjoy sc4 Maxi, regardless of his lack abilities to win. I still dont really wanna play anyone else as a main. Ima fuck around with a few others, but Im loyal to maxi rather he is complete ass in sc5 or not. I will still rep him in tournies and continue to contribute everything I can to my fellow maxi players. So I say "fuck the haters" Ima roll with him anyway!
HRD
However had tons of fun with sc2 maxi. I thought me and my homie were the best sc players in the world. Cause we played dailey for like 3 years. But then I discovered this whole sc community, got my ass raped and handed to me.
I still enjoy sc4 Maxi, regardless of his lack abilities to win. I still dont really wanna play anyone else as a main. Ima fuck around with a few others, but Im loyal to maxi rather he is complete ass in sc5 or not. I will still rep him in tournies and continue to contribute everything I can to my fellow maxi players. So I say "fuck the haters" Ima roll with him anyway!
HRD
Barry
[10] Knight
Deck: Welcome back
I agree with everything you've said and there's no denying it. However it's like Krayzie said...SC2 maxi is never going to come back. I experienced this sad realization with SC3's launch as well as the AE version and SC4. This is what ended up forcing me to pick up Tekken, which I ended up playing competitively longer than SC.
To be honest if anyone's learnt anything about SC & Maxi, it's to expect the worst and hope for the best. It''s been a long 10 years, (even longer for a few) and I just don't have the time an energy to be upset about the good things I know Project Soul will never bring back.
I say rent it when it comes out so you don't have any regrets if you don't like it. Next year is going to be stacked with Tekken Tag 2 and SF vs Tekken. "If " SC5 disappoints then it's goodbye until the next one (if there truly is a next one), as it's been with SC3 and SC4 for me. Well that and I currently play Wow. (I know I know >=/)
Longevity is the key element to the success of the fighting game genre, so with that in mind I believe that Project Soul will deliver. But as we've experienced since SC3, we've all been proven wrong time and time again over the years. Now I'm one for giving them one last shot as they are acting on the feedback provided by the fans (Daishi's twitter feed & player testing in France).
Imo I say hold off until after release before casting judgement on Sc5 Maxi before you've had the opportunity to play. This way if things really take a turn for the worst you can always point at everyone and say "I told ya so".
But putting all of the above aside I'm interested and excited to see how things turn out.
Barry
I agree with everything you've said and there's no denying it. However it's like Krayzie said...SC2 maxi is never going to come back. I experienced this sad realization with SC3's launch as well as the AE version and SC4. This is what ended up forcing me to pick up Tekken, which I ended up playing competitively longer than SC.
To be honest if anyone's learnt anything about SC & Maxi, it's to expect the worst and hope for the best. It''s been a long 10 years, (even longer for a few) and I just don't have the time an energy to be upset about the good things I know Project Soul will never bring back.
I say rent it when it comes out so you don't have any regrets if you don't like it. Next year is going to be stacked with Tekken Tag 2 and SF vs Tekken. "If " SC5 disappoints then it's goodbye until the next one (if there truly is a next one), as it's been with SC3 and SC4 for me. Well that and I currently play Wow. (I know I know >=/)
Longevity is the key element to the success of the fighting game genre, so with that in mind I believe that Project Soul will deliver. But as we've experienced since SC3, we've all been proven wrong time and time again over the years. Now I'm one for giving them one last shot as they are acting on the feedback provided by the fans (Daishi's twitter feed & player testing in France).
Imo I say hold off until after release before casting judgement on Sc5 Maxi before you've had the opportunity to play. This way if things really take a turn for the worst you can always point at everyone and say "I told ya so".
But putting all of the above aside I'm interested and excited to see how things turn out.
Barry
Aqua_Snake
[09] Warrior
I was asking this EXACT same question.
I've been around for a long time as well (People probably don't remember me except for Barry), and I remember alot of the old Maxi players, but Deckard's name doesn't ring any bells.
Yeah SC2 Maxi was hella fun, but JD_OK had to poke, poke, poke his way to 3rd place at Nats. :(
With an Ass ton of 2A's no less! :P
Are those videos still around? Haven't seen them in years!
hotnikkelz
johNNy blaZe
I don't like it because of one big flaw.....range. I play a mid range game mostly, JUST outside that range, arrrgh. Being linear doesn't help either
2A is mustard and will always be mustard for Maxi haha.
SC2 Maxi was trash, yeah i said it. TRASH. He did however had a SHITLOAD of options and some nice flow, and that's what most people want. Yoshi was sick in that game dayum, and talim. I didn't like SC2's mechanics too much at all.