Mina's Frame Data

hotnikkelz

johNNy blaZe
Credit goes to Vintoks and Sacharja

IMPACT DATA
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i13: K/FC 2A
i14: 4B/3bK
i15: 6A/2K/6B+K/FC 2K
i16: 3K/A+G_B+G/WS K/22A
i17: 1B/33K
i18: 3B/9K/WS A
i19: A/6B/66A
i20: B/WS B/8A+B/66B/66K
i21: 2B/1K/A+B/FC 2B/FC 1B/9B+K
i22: 4K/33A
i23: 6K/22B
i24: 6A+B/3A+B/1A+B
i25: 4A/B+K/FC 1K
i26: 4A+B/2B+K/A+K/44A
i27: 3A
i28: 11A/66A+B
i29: 44K

On Hit & Block:
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A
hs+0, tip+2
ch+3
bs-7

AA
hs+3
bs-7

AAB
hs-9
bs-21

6A
hs-3
bs-13

6AK
hs-2
ch x
bs-11

3A
hs-3, tip+3
ch +0~1, ch tip x
bs-16 *Char dependant punishment (See Notes)
tip: bs-7 *Can cause alignment problems for some chars

2A
hs-2, tip+5
ch-2, ch tip+5
bs-12
tip: bs-12 *Out of Range (OOR) of all punishers, except:Setsuka

1A
hs+4, tip x
bs-18
tip: bs-18 *OOR unless near edge

4A
hs-4
bs-16 *OOR of “most” B's
tip: bs-16 *OOR of all, except: Setsuka:FC3A~B, Soph:236B (shallow hit)

FC2A
hs+4
ch+8
bs-6

WSA
hs-7
bs-14

WSAA
hs-1
ch+0
bs-8

9_8A
hs+2
bs-8

7A
hs-1
bs-11

BTA
hs+8
bs-2

BT2A
hs+4
bs-6

B
hs-4
ch-2
bs-8

BB
hs-8
bs-16

BBB
hs x
bs-19
tip: bs-19 *OOR of “most” B's

B4B
hs-6
bs-13 *"Safe" unless near edge*

6B
hs-6, tip x
bs-14 *OOR of most chars A_2A (i14 3K's punish it consistently)

6BA
hs-5, tip-4
bs-15

6BB
hs x
bs-16

3B
hs-6, tip x
ch x
bs-17

3B~K
hs x
bs-18

2B
hs+1
bs-9

1B
hs-3
ch-1
bs-14

1BA
hs-9
bs-23 *Push-out makes it hard to punish except: Raph:236B, Setsuka:FC3A~B, Soph:236B (shallow hit)
tip: bs-23 *OOR, except: Raph:236B

1BB
hs-9
bs-15 *OOR of all, except: Raph:6B (6B only, no free 6BB)

1BK
hs x
bs-17

4B
hs+0
ch-7
bs-8

FC2B
hs+1
bs-9

FC1B
hs-10
bs-20 *OOR of all, except: Ivy:WP 6A, Raph:236B, Soph:236B (shallow hit)
tip: bs-20 *OOR of all, except: Raph:236B

WSB
hs x
bs-9

9_8B
hs x
bs-5

7B
hs+1
bs-5

BTB
hs+4
bs-6

BT2B
hs+0
bs-8

K
hs+2
bs-8

6K
hs x
bs-16

3K
hs-6
ch-4
bs-14

3KK
hs+2
ch x
bs-8

2K
hs-4
ch+2
bs-13

1K
hs-8
bs-16

4K
hs-6
bs-16

4KB
hs x
bs-17
tip: bs-17 *OOR of "most" B's

FC2K
hs-4
ch+2
bs-13

FC1K
hs x
bs-21

FC1KK
hs x
bs-22

WSK
hs x
bs-14

9K
hs-2
bs-10

8K
hs-4
bs-12

7K
hs-9~10
bs-16

BTK
hs+4
bs-4

BT2K
hs x
bs-20

A+B
hs x
bs-5

6A+B
hs x
bs-12
tip: bs-12 *OOR unless near edge

3_1A+B
hs x
bs-20

2A+B
hs+0, tip x
bs-14
tip: bs-14 *OOR unless near edge

4A+B
hs-3, tip-2
bs-11
tip: bs-11 *OOR unless near edge

4A+BA
hs-5
bs-10

4A+BAB
hs x
bs+2

4A+B4A+B
hs+0
bs-13
tip: bs-12 *Not punishable unless near edge

9A+BB
hs x
bs+15 *Free 6B+K

8A+B
hs x
bs-21

B+K
hs x
bs-15

6B+K
hs x
bs-11

2B+K
hs x
bs-11
tip: bs-11 *OOR unless near edge

2B+K~G
hs x
bs-15

4B+K
hs x
bs-13 *Axis issues can cause whiffs for mina

8B+K
hs x
bs-13

8B+KB
hs? *~BT
bs-15

8B+KBB
hs? *~BT (has better hs than 8B+KB)
bs-18

BTB+K
hs x
bs-22 *Hard for most to punish, except: Ivy:WP 6A, Raph:236B, Soph:236B (shallow hit)

A+K
hs x
bs-17

2A+K
hs x
bs-7

4A+K
hs x, tip-2
bs-3

66A
hs+0, tip+1
ch+3
bs-10
tip: bs-10 *OOR unless near edge

33A
hs-9
bs-20

33AA
hs x
bs-18

22A
hs x
bs-9

11A
hs-10, tip-8
ch -9
bs-22

44A
hs-7
ch-6
bs-16 *Can cause mis-alignment off of buffered retaliations
tip: bs-16 *OOR, except: Raph:3B, Soph:236B (shallow hit)

44AA -5
hs-5, tip x
ch-6
bs-17

66B
hs-7, tip x
ch x
bs-10 *Unpunishable in most game situations

33B
hs-6, tip x
ch x
bs-17

22B
hs-8
bs-18

11B
hs x
bs-6

44B
hs x
bs+0
tip: bs+15 *Free 6B+K, difficulty is char specific

66K
hs-4
ch x
bs-16

66KK
hs-6
bs-16

66KKK
hs+6 *Forces ~OB
ch x *Free 6B+K
bs-10 *OOR unless near edge

33K
hs-6
bs-14

33KB
hs x
bs-10
tip: bs-10 *OOR unless near edge

22K
hs-2
bs-9

44K
hs x
bs-1

66A+B
hs x
bs-12
tip: bs-12 *OOR unless near edge

44A+B
hs x
bs-6

[ 6]K
hs x
bs-23

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*Notes*
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3A (blocked at close range) punishment is extremely character dependant:
Soph,Cass,Taki,Kilik,Asta,Mina,Rock,Cervy can punish with i16.
Amy,Tira can only punish with i15
Liz,Setsu,Mitsu,X,Ivy,Talim can only punish with i14
Raph,Sieg,Maxi,Voldo,Yun,Yoshi,Zaz,Algol can only punish with i13
NM,Hilde cannot punish it at all

FC1B can whiff between your opponents legs (like Tira's 2A+B)

44B (at tip) into 6B+K can be extreamely difficult vs. certain characters making the string unpractical vs Setsuka or Hilde, and to a lesser extent vs. Mina,Maxi,Voldo,Mitsu,Soph,Cass,Yoshi,or Talim.

Mina strings you can hit confirm:
AA->B
BB->B
6B->A *small window
6B->B *small window
1B->A
1B->B
1B->K
4K->B
4A+BA->B
4A+B->4A+B
8B+K->B->B
44A->A
33K->B *small window

Baiting Auto GI:
bs-5~-10 range are good 4KB bait
bs-5~-10 range are good 6K bait
bs-5~-13 range are good 4B+K bait

hs-4~-8 range are good 4KB bait
hs-4~-9 range are good 6K bait
hs-5~-10 range are good 4B+K bait
 

docvizzo

[14] Master
What a mess, how are you going to play against a decent Sophi?

AAB~free 236236B:4 for Sophie
BBB~free 236236B~236236B:4 for Sophie
6BB~free 236236B:4
3B~free 236236B:4
FC 1B far Hit~free 236236B~236236B:4

etc etc etc and so on.....

Thinkyou forgot that 236236B is pretty fast, too :)
 

Renki

[09] Warrior
What a mess, how are you going to play against a decent Sophi?

AAB~free 236236B:4 for Sophie
BBB~free 236236B~236236B:4 for Sophie
6BB~free 236236B:4
3B~free 236236B:4
FC 1B far Hit~free 236236B~236236B:4

etc etc etc and so on.....

Thinkyou forgot that 236236B is pretty fast, too :)
In all honesty, majority of those attacks I hardly use because of how unsafe they are. 3B and FC1B is about all I use out of the moves you listed. I'd imagine Sophie is a difficult matchup because of her abilitiy to punish, but not as dreadful as you make it seem.
 

docvizzo

[14] Master
Of course you shouldnt end the strings unless you can hitcheck them, but 120 Damage for a blocked FC1B is pretty sick...since FC1B is a Move that is very often used in mina Vids....i just posted it because i wanted to check whether she gets free 236236Bs, even when the pushback is pretty big....
 

hotnikkelz

johNNy blaZe
What a mess, how are you going to play against a decent Sophi?

AAB~free 236236B:4 for Sophie
BBB~free 236236B~236236B:4 for Sophie
6BB~free 236236B:4
3B~free 236236B:4
FC 1B far Hit~free 236236B~236236B:4

etc etc etc and so on.....

Thinkyou forgot that 236236B is pretty fast, too :)
AAB and BBB is hit confirmable as said

You can't punish 6BB or 3B with 236236B:4, try it yourself. Theoretically the frame data says it should, but u're not going to be able to.

Anyone who's not lazy, please do impact data for 4A+B it's missing in the list.
 

docvizzo

[14] Master
Hmm i tried both before i posted.....worked for me....im going to test it again ;)
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Ok, tried again:

6BB: -Absolutely no Problem to punish from Closerange and from Max. Range. 236236B will always give the Tip Hit, so you can go for another 236236B:4 or just 236AA....for 100 free Damage:

3B: Hmmm....with some Training definetely no Problem. Close Range will give free 236236B:4, Max Range will even give 236236B~236236B:4.

I actually tested this stuff, 100% usable in real matches.
 

ShenYu

[11] Champion
6BB is pretty easy to hitcheck. Then there's always 6BA. Which is pretty safe due to pushout.

3B is not exactly the easiest thing to punish on reaction either.

And I recommend you retest FC1B. I use it either at extreme range as a poke (but very rarely since if they expect it.) or as a pushout tool. You can't punish it when blocked at close range unless you're one of very few characters. The only one I can remember right now is Kilik with his FC3B.
 

Nukleurfire

[09] Warrior
Um, I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but what are the frames for Mina's taunt? When does the TJ become active/deactivate?
 

Asurendra

[08] Mercenary
Id been looking into mina's tech crouches, since ive been real sick of getting thrown out of 2K, and it looks like we get royally boned in this regard and it further illustrates the irony of half the movelist being unnecessary TJs.

TC frames
8A+B: ~4-11
1A: 7-
66A: 10-
2K: 12- (yeah thats 3 frames before impact)

and it just gets worse to the point where its severely impractical to use the other things like 22K/2A+K/44A/6K for TCing purposes.

It also appears the only FC/WS moves that actually keep her crouched are FC 1B and WS A. I havent got the precision data on these but FC 1K seems to TC very fast, while FC A and FC K are practically standing.

quite some nonsense.
 

WuHT

Premium Moderator
8A+B is fast enough to use a TC on reaction, and is a nice hori-mid with knockdown, but the only prob is that it finishes TC before impact, so she can run head first into the opponent headfirst for CH
 

krazySyko

[09] Warrior
8A+B is actually quite a good TC, someday I'm gonna look into whatever strings it's fast enough to TC. It can TC Mina's AA for a start.
 

krazySyko

[09] Warrior
Thanks Khent, that'll probably help quite a bit, I'll have to re-look at stuff.
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Hmm, 3bK is listed as i14 here but i15 in the wiki. Was it fully updated?
 

hotnikkelz

johNNy blaZe
Sophie cannot punish cuz Sophie's 236B is i14. Sets can punish cuz jf version is i12-13. Regular version is i14.

3bK is i14....but it's HIGHLY dependant on speed input, i would say it's i15 for practical purposes.
Mina's WS K is i16. If it's i15 it would be able to punish her own 2A+B which i don't think it does. Besides i15 WS_FC attacks are VERY rare in this game, I think only Cass has one with 236B from crouch.
 

hotnikkelz

johNNy blaZe
yeah i've heard that myth floating around as well. My tests NEVER have it as i13...ever. 6B+K is superior for punishment than WS K as you mentioned.
eg.
Block Sophie's 1K. 6B+K punishes, WS K punishes. I think ducked throws, that might be Mina's strongest punisher...which is pretty pitiful. Maybe you can get PG if u're like Jesus level. must test.
 

krazySyko

[09] Warrior
One thing I noticed, 1_3A+B at tip are both listed as KND on regular hit, which they aren't. I did some testing (I don't know how to test frame data, I'll explain how I did it in a minute.) and I'm pretty sure it's something like -4.

I had the CPU Mina set to use A(i19) after being hit by a 1_3 A+B at tip (no attack throw) and I tried out different moves to interrupt it. K interrupted, 4B interrupted, her A outsped mine, and when I tried 3bK, 6B+K, and 6AK, all i15, the attacks hit at the same time, both Mina's took damage. 6AK would weirdly outspeed the A occasionally, but not most times.
 

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[11] Champion
You mean on close hit? It's a knockdown, so it's pretty hard to test.

Unless you're looking for tech traps or something.
 

malek

[10] Knight
Question:
Whirling Fangs A 18 12 -8 +1 +3 - RV[1]

RV[1] what does that mean ?
It's written for 4 Mina's move but I cannot understand...

Can you explain this to me please ? THX.
 

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[11] Champion
Seems like impact frames, just with the range added on. It makes sense, but it could apply to most characters.